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"T Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Of course a 28 makes a nice normal lens on the istD. But a 31mm Limited is even better :-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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28mm! Of course a 28 makes a nice normal lens on the istD. It will have about the same angle of view as the 43 Limited does on 35mm or a 150mm on 4x5. Ciao, Graywolf -- - Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Which reminds me; what exactly will be the focal length of a 28mm lens on > the *istD? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03
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28mm of course, (42mm equivalent on 35mm however). At 07:46 PM 9/3/03 +0200, you wrote: Frank wrote: > There's no possible reply to that one... > > Mark Roberts wrote: > > > I get stranger things than you > > free with my breakfast cereal. > > "Well just who do you think you are, honey?" [...] "Zaphod Beeblebrox or something?" :-) Which reminds me; what exactly will be the focal length of a 28mm lens on the *istD? :-) Cheers, Jostein To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
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Frank wrote: > There's no possible reply to that one... > > Mark Roberts wrote: > > > I get stranger things than you > > free with my breakfast cereal. > > "Well just who do you think you are, honey?" [...] "Zaphod Beeblebrox or something?" :-) Which reminds me; what exactly will be the focal length of a 28mm lens on the *istD? :-) Cheers, Jostein
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Dan, I routinely carry the Champion edition of the Swiss Army Knife and a Leatherman - the pliers come in handy... Of course with the changes with airport security I can no longer keep them in my main camera bag. This means at times I find myself without either of them since I have forgotten to transfer them out of my checked baggage... César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Dan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 10:22 PM -- -- For the last 20+ years my key chain has been a steadily -- replaced series -- of red Victorinox "Tinker" pocket knives: 1 large and 1 small knife -- blade, reamer, can and bottle opener, large and small standard -- screwdriver, philips screwdriver, tweezers and toothpick all in a -- remarkably compact and pocketable form. Can't stand the freakishly -- large models with forks, spoons, TV aerials and all that -- other crap on -- them, tho'. -- -- I feel absolutely naked and powerless without my "toolset" -- in my back -- pocket. -- -- However, I'm considering jumping ship to one of the more modern -- Leatherman things. They now make them in a variety of sizes -- and colors -- and you can get a fairly small colorful one with a fairly -- good compact -- wire cutter/pliers—which would come in extremely handy when removing -- the occasional Palo Verde thorn from foot, knee or hand or -- working on -- some unplanned roadside repair. -- -- Dan Scott --
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There's no possible reply to that one... Mark Roberts wrote: > I get stranger things than you > free with my breakfast cereal. > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com -- "Jazz is about capturing the moment" -Herbie Hancock
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"Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >...And of course, a man should always know where his towel is. Don't try to outweird me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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...And of course, a man should always know where his towel is. Jostein On 29 Aug 2003 at 21:16, Bob Walkden wrote: > Hi, > > Friday, August 29, 2003, 11:43:09 AM, you wrote: > > > For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such > > as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS > > receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, > > painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), > > vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, > > (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a > > good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - > > antibiotics and vodka. > > three tropical suits > riding breeches for winter and summer > bush shirts > a sola topi > a double-brimmed sun hat > a camp bed and sleeping bag > long boots to deter mosquitoes at sundown > quinine pills to protect against malaria > slabs of black chocolate for energy > metal uniform cases > a cedarwood trunk lined with zinc to keep ants out > silk pyjamas to avoid typhus > cleft sticks > > > > "I want some cleft sticks, please." ... "We can have some cloven for you." > --- Evelyn Waugh 'Scoop' > > -- > Cheers, > Bootmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Photos at: http://www.oksne.net AutoPug author. Submit your images at: http://www.oksne.net/autoPug/PugForm.asp
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> > Firstly, modern car keys that include a remote locking > device will usually fail if they get wet. No - they are normally sealed well enough to prevent that. Just as well, too - the first week we had our new car my keys ended up going through the washing machine. So what's the technology in those, anyway? What's the power source? Will the key eventually stop working (except as a purely mechanical key)?
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A lot of places I've parked, I would have had to walk home. For some reason people trust those magnetic key boxes, car thieves love them too. As an aside I once met a guy who just left his keys in the ignition of his convertible even when he parked it top down. I thought he was crazy, but then if you can afford a new Cadillac Convertible every year you probably consider the price pocket change. Ciao, Graywolf -- - Original Message - From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: OT: Survival Kit > All wrong! You don't take your car keys with you when you - climb rock, > hike, sail, dive, swim, fly-fish, fish-fish, glide, bird-watch, girl-watch, > walk on the beach, lie on the beach, make sand castles, walk about with a > camera, walk about without a camera, walk about with two or more cameras, > parachute jump, bungee jump, ice-fish, hunt big game, climb trees, collect > butterflies and the rest. You hide them carefully somewhere near the car > making - sure no one sees you do this. I often put them under one of the > wheels, covering them with grass and dirt or whatever. Under a rock is good. > A small zip-lock bag is a good idea when doing this. I would never take my > keys onto the water. Also ... if you have a key attached to the underside of > the car with one of those magnetic gadgets, take it off and put it inside. > > Don > ___ > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > Updated: July 31, 2003 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: OT: Survival Kit > > > > >>A friend went fishing in the tall reeds on vacation. > > >The boat rental firm had an elaborate safety/survival scheme. > > >Boat owner: "If the motor won't start, raise this flag on a mast and > we'll > > >find you." > > >My friend: "Don't worry, I'll just call you." > > > > > >>Regards, Bob S. > > > > This reminds me of a cautionary tale that some will find useful. Probably > > not many people on the list go on the water very much. Some, like sailors > > and fishers will already take precautions. > > > > If you do go on the water, even if it's a small pleasure boat or a bit of > > rafting or whatever, carry in your kit a small plastic sealable container > > - made for the purpose and available from most watersports stores - large > > enough to take your car keys. Even if you're not photographing from the > > water, use it for your keys. > > > > You're nodding now and saying hmmm yes, that's pretty smart. There's a > > couple of reasons. Firstly, modern car keys that include a remote locking > > device will usually fail if they get wet. Secondly, the larger the > > container, the better they are at floating... > > > > I sailed a Laser for a couple of years, and I used to wrap my car keys in > > 2 plastic bags and stuff the bundle in the small mesh pocket of the > > flotation vest. One dunking proved fatal for the remote device and on > > returning to the car later, I could not disengage the vehicle > > immobilisation system. The RAC (similar to AAA in the states) rescued me > > and I needed a new remote unit (used car with only one remote - always > > have a second unit - d'uh). > > > > After that I bought an inexpensive sealable plastic container - a rigid > > one. I thought about the heavy-duty plastic sealable bags but I didn't > > trust it not to get ripped or holed somehow. The container I have is only > > big enough for a bunch of keys. It has a cord attached that I then used > > to put around the mast of the sailboat. Worked great. However, I never > > sailed with the cell phone. This has made me think about it again and > > I'll pick up one big enough for keys and phone soon. > > > > The container is in the car and when I film or photograph from the water, > > the car keys go in it, always. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > > > > > ___/\__ > > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > > _ > > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03
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Interesting story, Cotty. I have often wished I had a remote for my vehicle. Now, I am rethinking that because when I go off into the woods, water, whatever, I usually stash the keys in the vehicle and just carry the door key on a cord around my neck. That way I always figured that if I lost everything else (as I once almost did on a solo canoe trip) I would still be able to get into the car. Ciao, Graywolf -- - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 4:22 AM Subject: Re: OT: Survival Kit > >>A friend went fishing in the tall reeds on vacation. > >The boat rental firm had an elaborate safety/survival scheme. > >Boat owner: "If the motor won't start, raise this flag on a mast and we'll > >find you." > >My friend: "Don't worry, I'll just call you." > > > >>Regards, Bob S. > > This reminds me of a cautionary tale that some will find useful. Probably > not many people on the list go on the water very much. Some, like sailors > and fishers will already take precautions. > > If you do go on the water, even if it's a small pleasure boat or a bit of > rafting or whatever, carry in your kit a small plastic sealable container > - made for the purpose and available from most watersports stores - large > enough to take your car keys. Even if you're not photographing from the > water, use it for your keys. > > You're nodding now and saying hmmm yes, that's pretty smart. There's a > couple of reasons. Firstly, modern car keys that include a remote locking > device will usually fail if they get wet. Secondly, the larger the > container, the better they are at floating... > > I sailed a Laser for a couple of years, and I used to wrap my car keys in > 2 plastic bags and stuff the bundle in the small mesh pocket of the > flotation vest. One dunking proved fatal for the remote device and on > returning to the car later, I could not disengage the vehicle > immobilisation system. The RAC (similar to AAA in the states) rescued me > and I needed a new remote unit (used car with only one remote - always > have a second unit - d'uh). > > After that I bought an inexpensive sealable plastic container - a rigid > one. I thought about the heavy-duty plastic sealable bags but I didn't > trust it not to get ripped or holed somehow. The container I have is only > big enough for a bunch of keys. It has a cord attached that I then used > to put around the mast of the sailboat. Worked great. However, I never > sailed with the cell phone. This has made me think about it again and > I'll pick up one big enough for keys and phone soon. > > The container is in the car and when I film or photograph from the water, > the car keys go in it, always. > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03
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Bob Walkden wrote: BW> Here's what I take: ... BW> coil of rope :o) Actually the coil of 40 meters of 8mm rope and a carabineer always sit at the bottom of may rucksack even if no climbing is in the collimator. Quite a few benefited from it over the years... BW> torch May I suggest the Petzl Tikka variety? It's extremely small, led-based and lasts forever. Servus, Alin
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>>A friend went fishing in the tall reeds on vacation. >The boat rental firm had an elaborate safety/survival scheme. >Boat owner: "If the motor won't start, raise this flag on a mast and we'll >find you." >My friend: "Don't worry, I'll just call you." > >>Regards, Bob S. This reminds me of a cautionary tale that some will find useful. Probably not many people on the list go on the water very much. Some, like sailors and fishers will already take precautions. If you do go on the water, even if it's a small pleasure boat or a bit of rafting or whatever, carry in your kit a small plastic sealable container - made for the purpose and available from most watersports stores - large enough to take your car keys. Even if you're not photographing from the water, use it for your keys. You're nodding now and saying hmmm yes, that's pretty smart. There's a couple of reasons. Firstly, modern car keys that include a remote locking device will usually fail if they get wet. Secondly, the larger the container, the better they are at floating... I sailed a Laser for a couple of years, and I used to wrap my car keys in 2 plastic bags and stuff the bundle in the small mesh pocket of the flotation vest. One dunking proved fatal for the remote device and on returning to the car later, I could not disengage the vehicle immobilisation system. The RAC (similar to AAA in the states) rescued me and I needed a new remote unit (used car with only one remote - always have a second unit - d'uh). After that I bought an inexpensive sealable plastic container - a rigid one. I thought about the heavy-duty plastic sealable bags but I didn't trust it not to get ripped or holed somehow. The container I have is only big enough for a bunch of keys. It has a cord attached that I then used to put around the mast of the sailboat. Worked great. However, I never sailed with the cell phone. This has made me think about it again and I'll pick up one big enough for keys and phone soon. The container is in the car and when I film or photograph from the water, the car keys go in it, always. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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I also read he had to actually snap the bone himself. Hard to imagine . . . I suspect most people would simply have died, even if the idea had occurred to them. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30/03 11:47AM >>> He had to do the job with a pen knife. Perhaps a handy folding knife with a partially serrated blade would be good. Buck makes a light weight one with a carbineer like part that can be clipped on just about anywhere. Regards, Bob... "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" -Martin Luther From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I can certainly see the uses for stuff like codeine/morphine on a > serious expedition. I had just interpreted the original request as the > level of a hiking or camping trip through the national parks, so that > such "luxuries" would be a little hard to come by. Although I guess if > you look at that guy who cut off his own arm . . . maybe we should > take a good saw as well. :-O
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>Amazing how many took this question as you stated it, rather than reading your mind, eh? :-) >Regards, Bob... Hmmm, well, guess I am not a great communicator. Also, maybe I missed some posts. Actually, I know I did. Okay... WHAT OTHER EQUIPMENT do you stick in your camera bag (for whatever purpose)? Marnie aka Doe ;-) Or maybe I should just let it go.
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>Take your sell phone, call for help. Seriously. >A friend went fishing in the tall reeds on vacation. The boat rental firm had an elaborate safety/survival scheme. Boat owner: "If the motor won't start, raise this flag on a mast and we'll find you." My friend: "Don't worry, I'll just call you." >Regards, Bob S. Hehehehehehehe. Yes. I don't have a cell phone and I've been thinking about that. Marnie aka Doe
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In/on bag... Extra batteries (AAA for meter, AA for the flash, silver oxide for the camera). Small penlight (by MagLite). Lens cleaning equipment. brush. fluid. lens paper. Q-Tips. carbon black. Compass & Map(s). Ziploc bags. Mechanical pencil. Fine tip Sharpie marker. Note pad. Camera bag poncho. Monopod. String pod. Small Leatherman tool. In separate pack and on belt, etc... Actual survival equipment mentioned earlier if going into the bush. Regards, Bob... "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" -Martin Luther To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Amazing how many took this question as you stated it, rather than reading > your mind, eh? :-) > > >Regards, > Bob... > > Hmmm, well, guess I am not a great communicator. > > Also, maybe I missed some posts. Actually, I know I did. Okay... > > WHAT OTHER EQUIPMENT do you stick in your camera bag (for whatever purpose)? > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) Or maybe I should just let it go.
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Hi, Sunday, August 31, 2003, 5:35:12 PM, you wrote: > Hi, > Sunday, August 31, 2003, 4:47:33 PM, you wrote: >> WHAT OTHER EQUIPMENT do you stick in your camera bag (for whatever purpose)? by the way, here's a useful tip. Keep all the small bits of junk in a Tupperware-type container about 15x10x8cm (6x4x3") that easily fits the pocket of your camera bag. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Sunday, August 31, 2003, 4:47:33 PM, you wrote: > WHAT OTHER EQUIPMENT do you stick in your camera bag (for whatever purpose)? > Marnie aka Doe ;-) Or maybe I should just let it go. No don't. Keep it going! Here's what I take: a well-furnished tent 3 months' rations collapsible canoe jointed flagstaff and Union Jack hand pump and sterilising plant astrolabe 6 suits of tropical linen sou'wester camp operating table and set of surgical instruments portable humidor Christmas hamper with Santa costume and mistletoe stand cane for whacking snakes coil of rope sheet of tin several cleft sticks, for sending despatches oh, alright then it was William Boot in 'Scoop', not me. What I take varies according to circumstance but could include any of the following: mobile phone notebook & pen guidebook & maps phrase book carabiners silk sleeping bag liner Swiss Army knife overnight toiletries, including these as well as the more obvious stuff: metal mirror wet wipes anti-histamine insect repellent torch whistle titanium spoon & fork shortwave radio compass water filter water bottle/s mosquito net coffee sweets Despite the foregoing, I do actually travel quite light usually. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Amazing how few took this question seriously. :-) Take your sell phone, call for help. Seriously. A friend went fishing in the tall reeds on vacation. The boat rental firm had an elaborate safety/survival scheme. Boat owner: "If the motor won't start, raise this flag on a mast and we'll find you." My friend: "Don't worry, I'll just call you." Regards, Bob S.
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No, Marnie, most of us took it seriously enough. Only we thought you meant "survival kit" not "what stuff do you carry in your camera bag besides camera and lenses". Ciao, Graywolf -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: OT: Survival Kit > Dan Scott wrote: > > Mostly I just take my camera gear and film in a daypack, empty ziploc > > bags, a reflector, along with either the monopod or the tripod, some > > M&Ms or hard candy, water, extra set of batteries, a field guide, B&L 5X > > pocket magnifier, pen and paper, and my hat. And I always have my wallet > > with a CC and some cash, my keys and a knife with me. > > Thanks. I was curious. Much of that I have in my new survival kit. And some > of what you had in your other list as well. Plus I usually take my keys with me. > > Amazing how few took this question seriously. :-) > > Marnie aka Doe > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03
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I hold with Weston, who (I think it was him) said: "If it's more than 500 yards from the car, it's not photogenic". And he lugged LF equipment. The only concessions I make to mother nature: bug spray (when appropriate), a silver hip flask filled with water, a hat with a wide-ish brim, and tennis shoes. Dan Scott wrote: Mostly I just take my camera gear and film in a daypack, empty ziploc bags, a reflector, along with either the monopod or the tripod, some M&Ms or hard candy, water, extra set of batteries, a field guide, B&L 5X pocket magnifier, pen and paper, and my hat. And I always have my wallet with a CC and some cash, my keys and a knife with me. If I were to really get off the beaten path I'd take my hiking kit, too: REI backpack (circa 1976), SVEA 123R stove, fuel bottle, water bags, TP, trowel, bandaids, tweezers, deet, aspirin & antihistamines, various freeze dried munchies, a reflective ground cloth, parachute cord, a little bit of soap and my mummy bag. I'd probably borrow my wife's cell phone if there was a chance cell phone towers were in reach. Dan Scott On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 10:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've put a pocket sized survival kit and a mini sized survival kit together based on stuff from the equipped to survive web page, http://www.equipped.com/ -- based on John Wiseman's SAS book, etc. Sort of fun. Sometimes I go pretty far off the beaten path taking landscape shots. Since I'm getting older and my knees and other things are getting older too, it seemed like a good idea. Normally this stuff is just aimed at backpackers, etc. But, hey, photographers can walk around a lot too! Just throwing the idea out there for your enjoyment. Marnie aka Doe :-)
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>Lyme disease Hey, you lookin at me? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Well ... that reminds me. I brought two cedar-lined zinc trunks from Africa when we came here. The wood is on the inside of course. One was lost in a fire. The other is filled with all kinds of garments - bush-jackets and things like that. I think my kilt is in there too. I have not used, or even looked at, that stuff for years. I'll do that today. There are at least two black-fly nets as well and a lot of other stuff for tropical African camping. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 - Original Message - From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: OT: Survival Kit > Hi, > > Friday, August 29, 2003, 11:43:09 AM, you wrote: > > > For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such > > as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS > > receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, > > painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), > > vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, > > (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a > > good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - > > antibiotics and vodka. > > three tropical suits > riding breeches for winter and summer > bush shirts > a sola topi > a double-brimmed sun hat > a camp bed and sleeping bag > long boots to deter mosquitoes at sundown > quinine pills to protect against malaria > slabs of black chocolate for energy > metal uniform cases > a cedarwood trunk lined with zinc to keep ants out > silk pyjamas to avoid typhus > cleft sticks > > > > "I want some cleft sticks, please." ... "We can have some cloven for you." > --- Evelyn Waugh 'Scoop' > > -- > Cheers, > Bootmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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Hi, Saturday, August 30, 2003, 1:28:40 AM, you wrote: >> When I first saw a list of the contents of the SAS survival kit I was >> amused, "1 tea bag: In survival situation, first sit down and brew a >> cup of >> tea". Sounds dumb until you think about it. The worse thing you can >> do is >> react with panic, anything that helps you avoid that is a good idea. > Tea?! All is lost... don't worry. If you don't like it you can always dress up as a Mohawk and throw it into Boston Harbour... -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good advice but a tough choice. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/29/03 08:17AM >>> Don wrote: DEDFW> ... brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - DEDFW> antibiotics and vodka. Just don't take them both at once unless you want to brag about how you survived despite any of them... ;o) Servus, Alin
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I once heard the expression "If you can't get there by car you have no right being there" and tend to agree ;-)
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There is a difference between survival and and living in the woods. Survival gear is stuff you should always carry regardless of how long you plan to be out. Kit is all the stuff you take for that particular kind of trip. Some of these lists would require a pack animal . When I first saw a list of the contents of the SAS survival kit I was amused, "1 tea bag: In survival situation, first sit down and brew a cup of tea". Sounds dumb until you think about it. The worse thing you can do is react with panic, anything that helps you avoid that is a good idea. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: OT: Survival Kit > For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such > as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS > receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, > painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), > vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, > (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a > good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - > antibiotics and vodka. > > Don > ___ > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > Updated: July 31, 2003 > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Survival Kit > > > > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry > with > > > you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > > > > Always: > > Good boots, > > Warm clothes, > > Matches (stored in a film container for keeping them dry) > > A good knife > > Emergency food (a mixture of chocolate, almonds and raisins is great for > long and hard trips) > > A map over the area > > > > Always forget, but should have: > > Compass (with a watch and a glimpse of the sun or the stars you can manage > without it) > > Bandages (I'm getting lazy, haven't hurt myself on such trips the last 20 > years) > > > > Longer trips, of course > > Tent > > Sleeping bag > > Cooking gear > > More food > > > > In the Norway the difference between winter and summer is that in the > summer you have the warm clothes with you, in the winter you put them on. > > > > We usually got plenty of clean water, no seriously poisonous snakes and > only a few wolverin, wolfs and bears, so I don't bring water or weapons. > > > > Now if only the kids would get big enough so I can go hiking again... > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03
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Brandy & vodka (or my favorite, a consultation with the Reverend Jack Daniels) may be necessary for surviving an emotional crisis, but I suggest they be eschewed during any physical survival crisis. If it's cold, alcohol will accelerate hypothermia. If potable water is at a premium, alcohol is a diuretic and will cause loss of body water. If sure footedness and clear thinking are required, well... Regards, Bob... "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" -Martin Luther From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such > as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS > receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, > painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), > vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, > (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a > good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - > antibiotics and vodka. > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Survival Kit > > > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry > with > > > you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > > > > Always: > > Good boots, > > Warm clothes, > > Matches (stored in a film container for keeping them dry) > > A good knife > > Emergency food (a mixture of chocolate, almonds and raisins is great for > long and hard trips) > > A map over the area > > > > Always forget, but should have: > > Compass (with a watch and a glimpse of the sun or the stars you can manage > without it) > > Bandages (I'm getting lazy, haven't hurt myself on such trips the last 20 > years) > > > > Longer trips, of course > > Tent > > Sleeping bag > > Cooking gear > > More food > > > > In the Norway the difference between winter and summer is that in the > summer you have the warm clothes with you, in the winter you put them on. > > > > We usually got plenty of clean water, no seriously poisonous snakes and > only a few wolverin, wolfs and bears, so I don't bring water or weapons. > > > > Now if only the kids would get big enough so I can go hiking again...
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Don wrote: DEDFW> ... brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - DEDFW> antibiotics and vodka. Just don't take them both at once unless you want to brag about how you survived despite any of them... ;o) Servus, Alin
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Wow, lots of brandy and vodka :-) Actually, those things are dangerous if it's very cold. It makes you feel warm, but what happens is that you blood is directed the outer circulation system. Your skin feels warm, but at the same time it is cooled down by the cold air outside. So you loose heat faster, and freeze to death earlier Another thing is the effect of -10 centigrades liquid alcohol coming into contact with your throat and stomach. It's nice to have some brandy (even nicer with some single malt), but I never pack it when tenting during winter. DagT > > Fra: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such > as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS > receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, > painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), > vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, > (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a > good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - > antibiotics and vodka. > > Don > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry > with > > > you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > > > > Always: > > Good boots, > > Warm clothes, > > Matches (stored in a film container for keeping them dry) > > A good knife > > Emergency food (a mixture of chocolate, almonds and raisins is great for > long and hard trips) > > A map over the area > > > > Always forget, but should have: > > Compass (with a watch and a glimpse of the sun or the stars you can manage > without it) > > Bandages (I'm getting lazy, haven't hurt myself on such trips the last 20 > years) > > > .
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Basically,my survival gear is always in my pick up truck.I tend to do a fair amount of surveying in the northern climates of our country, i never take it out.Fortunately when i drive around looking for rural landscapes and wildlife,i dont have to remember to pack it.lol I usually have: boots snacks cell maps(yes surveyors ar the worst for getting lost) first aid emergency #'s like tow truck,police etc jack all truck and body fluids GPS etc etc Dave(my backpacking days are long gone btw:-))Brooks > For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such > as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS > receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, > painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), > vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, > (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a > good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - > antibiotics and vodka. > > Don > ___ > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery > Updated: July 31, 2003 > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Survival Kit > > > > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry > with > > > you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > > > > Always: > > Good boots, > > Warm clothes, > > Matches (stored in a film container for keeping them dry) > > A good knife > > Emergency food (a mixture of chocolate, almonds and raisins is great for > long and hard trips) > > A map over the area > > > > Always forget, but should have: > > Compass (with a watch and a glimpse of the sun or the stars you can manage > without it) > > Bandages (I'm getting lazy, haven't hurt myself on such trips the last 20 > years) > > > > Longer trips, of course > > Tent > > Sleeping bag > > Cooking gear > > More food > > > > In the Norway the difference between winter and summer is that in the > summer you have the warm clothes with you, in the winter you put them on. > > > > We usually got plenty of clean water, no seriously poisonous snakes and > only a few wolverin, wolfs and bears, so I don't bring water or weapons. > > > > Now if only the kids would get big enough so I can go hiking again... > > > >
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For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - antibiotics and vodka. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Re: OT: Survival Kit > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry with > > you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > > Always: > Good boots, > Warm clothes, > Matches (stored in a film container for keeping them dry) > A good knife > Emergency food (a mixture of chocolate, almonds and raisins is great for long and hard trips) > A map over the area > > Always forget, but should have: > Compass (with a watch and a glimpse of the sun or the stars you can manage without it) > Bandages (I'm getting lazy, haven't hurt myself on such trips the last 20 years) > > Longer trips, of course > Tent > Sleeping bag > Cooking gear > More food > > In the Norway the difference between winter and summer is that in the summer you have the warm clothes with you, in the winter you put them on. > > We usually got plenty of clean water, no seriously poisonous snakes and only a few wolverin, wolfs and bears, so I don't bring water or weapons. > > Now if only the kids would get big enough so I can go hiking again... >
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For uncivilised places one needs - besides the things already mentioned such as flares, weapons, cell-phones (where they would work), radios and GPS receiver add to the medical list: brandy, crepe bandages, vodka, painkillers, strong (morphine) and mild (a codeine/aspirin combination), vodka, a steroid in a syringe ready for injection and snake-bite antiserum, (the last two are for places where there are dangerous snakes) adrenaline, a good antiseptic, brandy and if you're out for more than a few days - antibiotics and vodka. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Re: OT: Survival Kit > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry with > > you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > > Always: > Good boots, > Warm clothes, > Matches (stored in a film container for keeping them dry) > A good knife > Emergency food (a mixture of chocolate, almonds and raisins is great for long and hard trips) > A map over the area > > Always forget, but should have: > Compass (with a watch and a glimpse of the sun or the stars you can manage without it) > Bandages (I'm getting lazy, haven't hurt myself on such trips the last 20 years) > > Longer trips, of course > Tent > Sleeping bag > Cooking gear > More food > > In the Norway the difference between winter and summer is that in the summer you have the warm clothes with you, in the winter you put them on. > > We usually got plenty of clean water, no seriously poisonous snakes and only a few wolverin, wolfs and bears, so I don't bring water or weapons. > > Now if only the kids would get big enough so I can go hiking again... >
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At 12:55 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry with
you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)?
I carry a cell phone, mostly in case I have a heart attack or break my
leg. You do have to check on the carrier - my old Nextel was useless in
90% of Michigan's upper peninsula and in the national forests along lake
Michigan (it would work alone the lake shore and along the freeway
corridors only.) The cell phone I have now works in most of those places
but you can still find plenty of dead spots.
I also carry a compass and a water bottle or two. the compass is useful,
not only as a survival tool to just to keep you heading in the right
direction (can't say home many times I've headed out only to double back on
my old path.)
I don't carry a weapon - we have coyotes, wolves, black bears, and pumas in
Michigan. They are all scared to death of people and run like hell when
anyone approaches - never saw anything but a coyote and it was running
off. I spend a lot of time in some areas that are alleged to have pumas -
never see a trace of them. The only poisonous snakes aren't lethal except
to the weakest of people. the most scary ting I've run into in the woods
is a rabid racoon, and it was so messed up all i had to do was walk away.
In regards to human predators - I met many more on the streets of Chicago
and Detroit than I ever met out in the woods. Once your are a mile or two
off the beaten path, you don't fine a lot of ne'er-do-wells slinking about.
When Michigan revised it's law so that anyone without a criminal record
could get a CCW, I was tempted. But I'm not scared enough to have to
resort to something like that. I figure if someone ever wanted to take my
camera gear by force, I'd just hand it over. That's what I have insurance
for, and I don't think I'd be happy with myself if I shot someone over
something as trivial as camera gear. Besides, there would be all that
explaining to do. ("Look Peter, that was my good birding lens he took - it
cost me $4000. Where are your priorities? Now let me in those pearly
gates, fer crying out loud!")
- MCC
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Mark Cassino
Kalamazoo, MI
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Photography:
http://www.markcassino.com
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Compass Butane lighter Knife Band-Aids Bandana If I was going to be more than an hour or so distance from the car. in case I break a leg or something I would also like: A couple of Power Bars Cel-Phone Shows I am getting old, as I used to think something to make fire and a good knife was all I needed. Actually there are only 3 survival situations a person is likely to get into in most of the US. 1. Minor injuries. 2. Lost, or stuck out because of a storm. 3. Hurt bad enough to inhibit travel. Only the last one is going to be a real problem for a person who does not panic. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03
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19. Water. > From: zoomshot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > My man I know had a mountain lion stalk him. He was glad to have his side > arm to scare the creature off. A well placed shot just to the side of the > big cat did the trick. > > 1.Water. > 2.Buddy. > 3.First aid kit. > 4.Water. > 5.Compass. > 6.7.5 minute map(s) of area. > 7.A GPS receiver is good. > 8.Water. > 9.Whistle (for three blasts). > 10. Candy bars. > 11. Strong, light weight, serviceable knife. > 12. Water. > 13. Poncho - Green on inside, orange on outside is good. > 14. Some parachute line. > 15. Matches/lighter. > 16. MagLight. > 17. Boy Scout Handbook. > 18. Water. > > What was number 19? > > Ziggy
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:12:53 -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: > My man I know had a mountain lion stalk him. He was glad to have his side > arm to scare the creature off. A well placed shot just to the side of the > big cat did the trick. For me it's snakes. Brr. Gives me the willies just thinking about them. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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-Original Message- From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 August 2003 23:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: Survival Kit My man I know had a mountain lion stalk him. He was glad to have his side arm to scare the creature off. A well placed shot just to the side of the big cat did the trick. 1. Water. 2. Buddy. 3. First aid kit. 4. Water. 5. Compass. 6. 7.5 minute map(s) of area. 7. A GPS receiver is good. 8. Water. 9. Whistle (for three blasts). 10. Candy bars. 11. Strong, light weight, serviceable knife. 12. Water. 13. Poncho - Green on inside, orange on outside is good. 14. Some parachute line. 15. Matches/lighter. 16. MagLight. 17. Boy Scout Handbook. 18. Water. What was number 19? Ziggy
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My man I know had a mountain lion stalk him. He was glad to have his side arm to scare the creature off. A well placed shot just to the side of the big cat did the trick. 1. Water. 2. Buddy. 3. First aid kit. 4. Water. 5. Compass. 6. 7.5 minute map(s) of area. 7. A GPS receiver is good. 8. Water. 9. Whistle (for three blasts). 10. Candy bars. 11. Strong, light weight, serviceable knife. 12. Water. 13. Poncho - Green on inside, orange on outside is good. 14. Some parachute line. 15. Matches/lighter. 16. MagLight. 17. Boy Scout Handbook. 18. Water. > From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:55:15 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you > > carry with you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, > > injured, etc.)? > > A cell phone and a sidearm. :-)
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:55:15 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you > carry with you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, > injured, etc.)? A cell phone and a sidearm. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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>If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry with >you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? Not in any particular order: Mobile (cell) phone. Leatherman. Water. First Aid certificate. Map. Corkscrew. Matches. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Marnie asked: >> BTW - To turn this into a thread, hehehe... >> >> If you do nature photography -- landscape, wildlife -- what do you carry with >> you in case of emergency (getting lost, stranded, injured, etc.)? > >Rephrasing "carry" to "take" -- the answer is: >Husband. HAR! I always bring an actual physician with me. She's put together a pretty good emergency medical kit and I have a feeling she's just itching to get the chance to try it out :-0 -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
