Re: Old Slides
These could from the description be either old 828 film or Kodak INSTAMATIC 126 film. I don't know if Kodak ever made Color slides for 828 but I would assume that Kodachrome might have been available. At 10:28 AM 1/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all, > I am in the process of converting my late father's slide library into >prints, partly because the slides are starting to deteriorate (fading and >color shift) and partly because nobody in my family has a slide projector >anymore and this library contains all pictures of the family between 1960 >and about 1985. > >Whilst copying the slides I came across some of a strange shape, they look >like 35mm slides i.e. the slide mount is the same size as a 3mm slide. the >difference is that the opening in the middle of the mount is square (I would >guess about 24mm or thereabouts). On dismantling a mount the negative itself >is square and seems to lack the usual sprocket holes (only 1 being evident >instead of the usual row). The film is Kodak, but that's all I know. Maybe >this is a simple question, but I'd like to know what format this film is and >what sort of camera might have been used, just for interest... I don't know >of any other format camera used by my father other than 35mm, but these sure >look like slides he has taken. I would date these particular slides as being >around 1970. > >Regards, >/\/\ick... >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old Slides
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: RE: Old Slides > I had no idea anyone ever offered any kind of quality cameras for 126; all > I ever saw were thos Instamatics. That's why I was surprised that there > was slide film in 126 format: I couldn't imaging an Instamatic getting the > exposure close enough to make it worth while. Kodak Retina 126 SLR Zeiss Contacts 126 SLR to name a couple of reletively decent 126 cameras. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old Slides
Probably 126, unless he had an old Robot 24 camera. The Robot always was pretty rare, so 126 is most likley. Ciao, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mick Maguire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Old Slides > Hello all, > I am in the process of converting my late father's slide library into > prints, partly because the slides are starting to deteriorate (fading and > color shift) and partly because nobody in my family has a slide projector > anymore and this library contains all pictures of the family between 1960 > and about 1985. > > Whilst copying the slides I came across some of a strange shape, they look > like 35mm slides i.e. the slide mount is the same size as a 3mm slide. the > difference is that the opening in the middle of the mount is square (I would > guess about 24mm or thereabouts). On dismantling a mount the negative itself > is square and seems to lack the usual sprocket holes (only 1 being evident > instead of the usual row). The film is Kodak, but that's all I know. Maybe > this is a simple question, but I'd like to know what format this film is and > what sort of camera might have been used, just for interest... I don't know > of any other format camera used by my father other than 35mm, but these sure > look like slides he has taken. I would date these particular slides as being > around 1970. > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Old Slides - Instamatics
Wow! thanks Ed! :) Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Old Slides - Instamatics In a message dated 1/14/2002 1:54:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > thanks for the offer Rob, but Ed's link and eBay have yielded loads to look > at, and I am pretty sure this is what is in my childhood memories. I > certainly don't remember the camera ever being used, (but the I was only > about 4 at the time of the slides), I only remember it in it's box > gathering > dust in a closet. I wonder what ever happened to it. I do have a vague > feeling that my father offered it to me and I said I wanted a "real" camera > like his... his was a Spotmatic F which I now indeed own. > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > > > Mick - If you find an Instamatic that strikes a chord, send me an e-mail with its model designation. I have several in my (bursting) basement shelf collection - if I have the right model you can have it for the postage. They all came from garage sales or Goodwill type stores at prices barely above free. Regards, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old Slides - Instamatics
In a message dated 1/14/2002 1:54:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > thanks for the offer Rob, but Ed's link and eBay have yielded loads to look > at, and I am pretty sure this is what is in my childhood memories. I > certainly don't remember the camera ever being used, (but the I was only > about 4 at the time of the slides), I only remember it in it's box > gathering > dust in a closet. I wonder what ever happened to it. I do have a vague > feeling that my father offered it to me and I said I wanted a "real" camera > like his... his was a Spotmatic F which I now indeed own. > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > > > Mick - If you find an Instamatic that strikes a chord, send me an e-mail with its model designation. I have several in my (bursting) basement shelf collection - if I have the right model you can have it for the postage. They all came from garage sales or Goodwill type stores at prices barely above free. Regards, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old slides ... Now: The 126 Instamatic
I remember owning and using a Kodak Pony 135 in the 1950's. It was a fully manual 35mm camera and I either had to guess the focussing distance or use an external rangefinder. I used the sunny 16 rule for exposure extensively back in those days. Len --- - Original Message - From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Was: Old slides ... Now: The 126 Instamatic > Has anyone ever read "Glass, Brass & Chrome: The American 35mm > Miniature Camera" by Kalton C. Lahue and Joseph A. Bailey? > > It lovingly and technically traces the American 35mm camera industry, > framing it in perspective with Leica and Contax, telling the story of > Argus, Univex, Perfex, Kodak, and more, and closing with what they > were sure was the imminent demise of the 35mm format. The copyright > date? 1972, by the University of Oklahoma Press. > > Here's what their perspective was as they put this book together in > the late '60s and early '70s: > > Engineering design of the Kodak Instamatic, under the name Project > 13, was completed in 1961, with production beginning in 1962. It was > probably Kodak's best-kept secret of the century; few even within > Kodak were aware of its existence. > > The Kodak Instamatic, while not a genuine scientific or technological > breakthrough, was a masterful example of engineering ingenuity and > packaging (even the cheapest Instamatic camera was fitted with an > f/3.5 plastic lens, which was physically and permanently stopped down > to f/11 or f/16 for better definition, a practice the Ansco Memo had > used in the '30s. > > The cartridge, known briefly as the Kodapak, was made of a special > polystyrene stable enough to hold the film flat (or reasonably so, I > guess), but it was also inexpensive enough for mass production. > > Designers decided on a square format to utilize the full covering > power of a lens with a short focal length, which allowed the camera > to be slimmer wtihout the need for a collapsible front. > > Within the first two years of the Instamatic's introduction, more > than 7.5 million cameras were sold (in seven models) -- almost half > of which were sold overseas. > > Surveys at the time showed that while owners of other cameras used an > average of four rolls a year, Instamatic users used eight rolls. > Kodak sold 50 million cartridges of film in the first 21 months after > the format's introduction -- which, of course, was the primary goal > it set to achieve: increased film sales. > > The introduction of the Kodak 126 Instamatic cartridge was > devastating to the Japanese photographic industry, which only > survived by forming a cartel to restrict production during 1965-66. > > The high-end Kodak Instamatic X-90, featuring an Ektar f/2.8 lens and > some sort of exposure computer that allowed for nearly program > exposure, alone outsold all the rest of the world's "quality > rangefinders" combined. > > Kodak's Instamatic Reflex, which was manufactured in Germany by Kodak > A.G., replaced the famed Retina line. > > No American manufacturer produced a camera using 35mm film at the time. > > Within four years after its introduction, the Instamatic had cut > total 35mm sales nearly in half, from 600,000 to 325,000. "And while > 1971 sales figures showed the 35mm camera holding its own, it stands > no chance of ever catching up to its brother with the plastic > cartridge," the authors boldly stated. "The 35mm cameras once > manufactured in America died and are now half-forgotten, but the > rectangular negative took on new life in a square shape and is firmly > established today as the format of the future." > > Without automation, acrylic-lens technology, and Yankee ingenuity, > there would probably be no American camera industry today, the > authors said. > > > Any comments? This is at least partially on topic, as Asahi certainly > was affected by the 126 format's popularity, as were all Japanese > manufacturers. > > And they do have at least one Pentax mention: In a photo (the small > book is very nicely illustrated) showing the Exakta, the Asahi > Pentax, the Alpa Alnea, and the Edixa Reflex, the caption states: > "Four reasons for the decline of quality American cameras are these > products produced by foreign manufacturers in the 1950s. Left to > right: The dated but popular Exakta, the Asahi Pentax (later to > become the very popular Honeywell Pentax) ..." > > Joe > > >I had no idea anyone ever offered any kind of quality cameras for 126; all > >I ever saw were thos Instamatics. That's why I was surprised that there > >was slide film in 126 format: I couldn't imaging an Instamatic getting the > >exposure close enough to make it worth while. > > > >I'll bet you're right about the film flatness issues being the achilles > >heel of this format. Keeping the film flat and sufficiently perpendicular > >to the lens axis would seem to be almost impossible in those cheap plastic > >cartridges. And the 25
RE: Old Slides
thanks for the offer Rob, but Ed's link and eBay have yielded loads to look at, and I am pretty sure this is what is in my childhood memories. I certainly don't remember the camera ever being used, (but the I was only about 4 at the time of the slides), I only remember it in it's box gathering dust in a closet. I wonder what ever happened to it. I do have a vague feeling that my father offered it to me and I said I wanted a "real" camera like his... his was a Spotmatic F which I now indeed own. Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Brigham Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Old Slides My dad still has one, I could get it and photograph it if you want? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Old Slides
> These cameras must have sold by the millions from 1964 through the > late '70s, most with fixed focus and aperture lenses. They had > drop-in loading, and all cameras were made to take flash easily -- > first with single AG-1 bulbs, then with flashcubes, then Magicubes, > and then the Flipflash. For cloudy days, you could put a spent > flashcube in the socket, which would increase your exposure by a stop > by reducing the shutter speed from about 1/90 to 1/45. Better models > had electric eye exposure. > > By the early '70s, some predicted that 126 (and the new 110 > cartridge) would spell the end of 35mm by the end of the decade. > Kodak and Contaflex made high-end SLRs that took 126, and many > cheaper brands like GAF offered entry-level snapshot cameras. > > My parents had only a Kodak X-15 Instamatic camera, and took many > rolls of Kodachrome 64 slide film for family snapshots. My first new > camera was an X-15F (it took Flipflash) for my 10th birthday in > October 1979. > > 126 offered better image quality than 110 (and far better than the > later Disc film, which wasn't introduced until 1981, as best as I can > recall), but I think its default position as being a snapshot format > or for amateurs, plus an inherent problem with keeping the film > sufficiently flat, spelled its eventual doom as compact 35mm cameras > with autofocus began showing up in the late '70s. I had no idea anyone ever offered any kind of quality cameras for 126; all I ever saw were thos Instamatics. That's why I was surprised that there was slide film in 126 format: I couldn't imaging an Instamatic getting the exposure close enough to make it worth while. I'll bet you're right about the film flatness issues being the achilles heel of this format. Keeping the film flat and sufficiently perpendicular to the lens axis would seem to be almost impossible in those cheap plastic cartridges. And the 25mm x 25mm square size seems a bit weird; you don't really have the film area to be able to afford to crop down to a rectangular format like you do with 6 x 6 medium format ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Old Slides?
I had an Instamatic as a kid. I have an album with photos taken with that Kodak. I still have that camera. Also the Hawkeye Instamatic that I think my sister got from sending in proof of purchases from Sugar Smacks cereal boxes (if memory serves me right.) I never shot slides. It was always print film. I assume I paid for all this out of my allowance, though my father did use to have a love of photography. This was before the family came along... I recently pulled out the 126 shots taken of my first trip to the Copan Ruins in Honduras. This site was the one that started my love of archaeology and ruins. It is interesting to see how the site has changed over the years and also how well the photos came out - I even shot into the sun on a couple of them. How I wish I had taken more photos back then. I have been to Macchu Pichu - it was recently and I was shooting 35mm at that point. Lovely place, definitely worth spending the night there. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida > -Original Message- > From: Collin Brendemuehl [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Old Slides? > > Yes. My wife shot many, many 126 images in the 70s when she was on a > missions trip in Peru. > Even her shots of Machupichu (I certain someone will correct my spelling!) > are good, even with an inexpensive camera. > > Collin > > === > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark=20Roberts?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20Old=20Slides?= > > Sounds like 126 format. Did they ever do slide film for that? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old Slides
In a message dated 1/14/2002 12:09:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ! I'm off to eBay to see if I can > see anything that resembles my very faint memories of this. :0) > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > > Have a look at Instamatics here: http://www.thompson-grp.com/fix/images/instam Regards, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Old Slides
My dad still has one, I could get it and photograph it if you want? > -Original Message- > From: Mick Maguire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 14 January 2002 17:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Old Slides > > > "Instamatic"... "Magicubes"... "drop-in loading" > > Of course! This rings some very distant bells. I vaguely > remember a camera > in our household which was a Kodak "Instamatic" all I > remember was it had a > silvery looking front and came in a yellow Kodak box, that > was kind of like > a display tray/case. It did indeed use Magicubes (which I > used to have great > fun dis-assembling as a child!). From what I recall this camera was my > Mother's. Many thanks to all who answered! I'm off to eBay > to see if I can > see anything that resembles my very faint memories of this. :0) > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Wilensky > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Old Slides > > > Mick, > > Sounds like the 126 Instamatic film. Same physical size as the 35mm > strip, but only one row of small sprocket holes, which actually > allowed for an image size greater (in height, anyway) than that on > traditional double-sprocketed 35mm film. > > These cameras must have sold by the millions from 1964 through the > late '70s, most with fixed focus and aperture lenses. They had > drop-in loading, and all cameras were made to take flash easily -- > first with single AG-1 bulbs, then with flashcubes, then Magicubes, > and then the Flipflash. For cloudy days, you could put a spent > flashcube in the socket, which would increase your exposure by a stop > by reducing the shutter speed from about 1/90 to 1/45. Better models > had electric eye exposure. > > By the early '70s, some predicted that 126 (and the new 110 > cartridge) would spell the end of 35mm by the end of the decade. > Kodak and Contaflex made high-end SLRs that took 126, and many > cheaper brands like GAF offered entry-level snapshot cameras. > > My parents had only a Kodak X-15 Instamatic camera, and took many > rolls of Kodachrome 64 slide film for family snapshots. My first new > camera was an X-15F (it took Flipflash) for my 10th birthday in > October 1979. > > 126 offered better image quality than 110 (and far better than the > later Disc film, which wasn't introduced until 1981, as best as I can > recall), but I think its default position as being a snapshot format > or for amateurs, plus an inherent problem with keeping the film > sufficiently flat, spelled its eventual doom as compact 35mm cameras > with autofocus began showing up in the late '70s. > > I don't think 126 is completely discontinued, although I haven't seen > it anywhere in quite a long time. Can it still be bought in bulk from > Kodak? > > The slides, since they have nearly the same picture area as 35mm, are > generally of very nice quality, especially for average outdoor shots > and well-exposed flash shots. > > Joe > > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:28:24 -0500 > >From: "Mick Maguire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Old Slides > > > >Hello all, > > I am in the process of converting my late father's slide > library into > >prints, partly because the slides are starting to > deteriorate (fading and > >color shift) and partly because nobody in my family has a > slide projector > >anymore and this library contains all pictures of the family > between 1960 > >and about 1985. > > > >Whilst copying the slides I came across some of a strange > shape, they look > >like 35mm slides i.e. the slide mount is the same size as a > 3mm slide. the > >difference is that the opening in the middle of the mount is > square (I > would > >guess about 24mm or thereabouts). On dismantling a mount the negative > itself > >is square and seems to lack the usual sprocket holes (only 1 > being evident > >instead of the usual row). The film is Kodak, but that's all > I know. Maybe > >this is a simple question, but I'd like to know what format > this film is > and > >what sort of camera might have been used, just for > interest... I don't know > >of any other format camera used by my father other than > 35mm, but these > sure > >look like slides he has taken. I would date these particular > slides as > being > >around 1970. > > > >Regards, > /\/\ick... > -- > > Joe Wil
Re: Old Slides?
Yes. My wife shot many, many 126 images in the 70s when she was on a missions trip in Peru. Even her shots of Machupichu (I certain someone will correct my spelling!) are good, even with an inexpensive camera. Collin === From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mark=20Roberts?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20Old=20Slides?= Sounds like 126 format. Did they ever do slide film for that? -- . --- "I know what I'm doing." Picard, "Star Trek: First Contact" -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
