Re: PESO: Memories of spring
In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:21:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tomorrow I think I will look into what Lightzone can do to this image. I've seen some video tutorials about it. Looks as a program I could learn to use. These tutorials made me realise why I have this strong feelings against editing in PS. It is all about Layers. I get lost in them. The Layers concept makes me loose the big picture when editing. When editing on layers, I don't see the impact of what I do directly. At least not the way I have been using them. Lightzone seem to be more WYSIWYG. And there is no need to tell me. I know that PS is more powerful than the American President (at least it is more intelligent), and that layers is the best thing since whipped cream. I don't need a powerful program. I need something that sets _me_ in control. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) == Layers are hard to get. I recommend a book for understanding them. But, actually, you can edit a photo pretty well without using layers at all. You just alter the background (what would be called the background layer). Just be sure to save it with a new file name to not overwrite the original. A selection tool would help you isolate the rock in that particular photo. The magic want would be best. Marnie aka Doe I am still learning various ins and outs of layers. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Memories of spring
Godfrey. Please don't ask those questions. You know I have a thing about PS. It might be irrational. In fact I believe it is. I think have got the wrong impression about it. The facts are simple. I gets lost in PS. It confuses and thereby disables me. I believe it is about layers. It may be about layers in general, or about layers in PS. But that's not important. My explanation about my thing may be wrong. It may also be based on misunderstandings. But the real facts remain. I feel stupid instead of enabled when using PS. I think I want know what the problem is before I have solved it. I know you mean well by asking. If you where in front of me, you could have showed me where I have got it wrong. But asked on the net, your question simply makes me feel stupider. And that does not help me. It makes me more disabled. I know that's not your intentions, but thats how it works. You know I like Lightroom. It enables me. The real reason is because it is powerful, and simple. It doesn't confuse me. So now I'm able to do a decent job when converting raw. So now conversion is fun ;-) I had the same feeling with RSP. It enabled me. But Lightroom enables me more. I hope I will experience the same with Lightzone. Basically I understands the good old zone system. Layers or not, with Lightzone I will be able to do the adjustments to that rock in a way that I do understand. Now I need to get moving towards my goal; being a happy and skilful editor. Not debating my thing. I might move back again later. I don't know. At this point I don't care ;-) Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 11. april 2007 06:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Memories of spring On Apr 10, 2007, at 7:11 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: These tutorials made me realise why I have this strong feelings against editing in PS. It is all about Layers. I get lost in them. The Layers concept makes me loose the big picture when editing. When editing on layers, I don't see the impact of what I do directly. At least not the way I have been using them. Which begs the question: How have you been using Photoshop layers that you don't see the impact of what you do directly? BTW, LightZone's operation is based on making adjustments using function modules and layering them on top of one another... It's just like using Adjustment Layers in Photoshop. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
My edits are done as non-destructively as possible. The only things I do to the original background layer (or more correctly a copy of) is spotting dust, cloning in or out details as needed sharpening. And recently I haven't always been doing my sharpening to the background layer (or it's copy). Everything else is done with adjustment layers. Cheers, Dave On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally retouch in PS without adjustment layers. I almost always know exactly what I want to do, and if I change my mind, I simply flip back in the history. I'm not modifying the original, the RAW is still on file with all my adjustment parameters intact. For big retouching jobs, layers are great. For minor adjustment of photographs, they're unnecessary. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
I generally retouch in PS without adjustment layers. I almost always know exactly what I want to do, and if I change my mind, I simply flip back in the history. I'm not modifying the original, the RAW is still on file with all my adjustment parameters intact. For big retouching jobs, layers are great. For minor adjustment of photographs, they're unnecessary. Paul On Apr 11, 2007, at 12:22 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 7:11 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: These tutorials made me realise why I have this strong feelings against editing in PS. It is all about Layers. I get lost in them. The Layers concept makes me loose the big picture when editing. When editing on layers, I don't see the impact of what I do directly. At least not the way I have been using them. Which begs the question: How have you been using Photoshop layers that you don't see the impact of what you do directly? BTW, LightZone's operation is based on making adjustments using function modules and layering them on top of one another... It's just like using Adjustment Layers in Photoshop. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Nice and very professional, but I don't see the point in that. If I have my original conversion, I don't need an original background layer. Plus, storing those multi-layer files sucks up hard drive space in a hurry. Paul On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:40 AM, David Savage wrote: My edits are done as non-destructively as possible. The only things I do to the original background layer (or more correctly a copy of) is spotting dust, cloning in or out details as needed sharpening. And recently I haven't always been doing my sharpening to the background layer (or it's copy). Everything else is done with adjustment layers. Cheers, Dave On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally retouch in PS without adjustment layers. I almost always know exactly what I want to do, and if I change my mind, I simply flip back in the history. I'm not modifying the original, the RAW is still on file with all my adjustment parameters intact. For big retouching jobs, layers are great. For minor adjustment of photographs, they're unnecessary. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
If I'm going to take the time to do it, I may as well do it in such a way that if I ever have to modify it I don't have to do it all over again. This is particularly true for images that have required complex masking. It's a carryover philosophy from my paying job. Cheers, Dave On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice and very professional, but I don't see the point in that. If I have my original conversion, I don't need an original background layer. Plus, storing those multi-layer files sucks up hard drive space in a hurry. Paul On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:40 AM, David Savage wrote: My edits are done as non-destructively as possible. The only things I do to the original background layer (or more correctly a copy of) is spotting dust, cloning in or out details as needed sharpening. And recently I haven't always been doing my sharpening to the background layer (or it's copy). Everything else is done with adjustment layers. Cheers, Dave On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally retouch in PS without adjustment layers. I almost always know exactly what I want to do, and if I change my mind, I simply flip back in the history. I'm not modifying the original, the RAW is still on file with all my adjustment parameters intact. For big retouching jobs, layers are great. For minor adjustment of photographs, they're unnecessary. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 11/04/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice and very professional, but I don't see the point in that. If I have my original conversion, I don't need an original background layer. Plus, storing those multi-layer files sucks up hard drive space in a hurry. Adjustment layers don't generally consume great deals of file space (unless masks are also saved). I prefer to save the whole job too. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
As I noted, I understand that as a PhotoShop pro you would want to work that way. All the professional retouchers I know use multiple layers. However, as a photographer who just wants to perform some minor tweaks on an image that has already received considerable attention in conversion, I don't find it necessary or fruitful. I think some photographers who could benefit from the workflow convenience and capability of the ACR PS combination are scared away by all the talk of layers, masking and elaborate procedures. Paul On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:01 AM, David Savage wrote: If I'm going to take the time to do it, I may as well do it in such a way that if I ever have to modify it I don't have to do it all over again. This is particularly true for images that have required complex masking. It's a carryover philosophy from my paying job. Cheers, Dave On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice and very professional, but I don't see the point in that. If I have my original conversion, I don't need an original background layer. Plus, storing those multi-layer files sucks up hard drive space in a hurry. Paul On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:40 AM, David Savage wrote: My edits are done as non-destructively as possible. The only things I do to the original background layer (or more correctly a copy of) is spotting dust, cloning in or out details as needed sharpening. And recently I haven't always been doing my sharpening to the background layer (or it's copy). Everything else is done with adjustment layers. Cheers, Dave On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally retouch in PS without adjustment layers. I almost always know exactly what I want to do, and if I change my mind, I simply flip back in the history. I'm not modifying the original, the RAW is still on file with all my adjustment parameters intact. For big retouching jobs, layers are great. For minor adjustment of photographs, they're unnecessary. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
On 4/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I noted, I understand that as a PhotoShop pro you would want to work that way. Pro? Not me, I'm still learning the many paths of tweaking in PS. I'm a draftsman by day. The philosophy at work I mentioned has to do with never deleting anything you have spent time drawing/detailing, that have been superseded by design modifications or revisions until the job is well and truly over. You never know if it might come in useful (and at times is has) All the professional retouchers I know use multiple layers. However, as a photographer who just wants to perform some minor tweaks on an image that has already received considerable attention in conversion, I don't find it necessary or fruitful. I think some photographers who could benefit from the workflow convenience and capability of the ACR PS combination are scared away by all the talk of layers, masking and elaborate procedures. Paul I admit it's probably overkill. In the past I didn't keep my original edits, just the resultant .tiff or .jpg, and have gone back and tried to recreate the feel of the original without success. That's when I started keeping the original un-flattened .psd file. Simple edits are where Lightroom shines. But for me a simple edit or a complex edit only differ in extra time invested and the number of layers and masks I use. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Tim, I did not mean to spike a phobia. I'm just curious how you work with PS that finds you so confused. Since adopting Lightroom as the basis of my photo workflow/image processing, how I work with Photoshop and other image processing tools has changed. I can do most of the essential adjustments, cropping, and spotting work in Lightroom non-destructively, down to the point were there might be a couple of essential localized edits to tonal rendering or sharpening required. I then render a PSD file, created in the same place as the .DNG, which opens in Photoshop. (E.g.: IMGP1001.dng - IMGP1001-Edit.psd) I find it easier to confine selective tonal edits to Adjustment Layers with masks rather than laboriously doing selections and localizing the edits that way. Because Lightroom does such a good job overall, it rarely requires more than one or two layers to get what I need done. If the edit is particularly complex, I save another copy of the fully layered .PSD in the same directory (e.g.: IMGP1001- EditL.psd). Then I flatten all layers, save the -Edit file, and return to Lightroom where it is stacked with the original for simplicity in organization. The same workflow methodology will work with LightZone Basic, if that's the image editor you prefer instead of Photoshop. I see that LightCraft is offering a discounted version of LightZone Basic specifically for Lightroom and Aperture users ... I may well go for that. In my evaluation of RAW converters and editing tools, I found LightZone's tonal adjustment tools quite interesting and useful. The tool paradigm is very different from Photoshop, yes, but the layered- filter working methodology is essentially the same. It seems that unlike some others, I find the conceptual model of working in layers like this just far simpler and easier to do than directly manipulating pixels. Whatever works for you is best. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I know you didn't mean to spike anything ;-) I like the word phobia. I think thats an accurate description. Like most phobic reaction, this is hard to explain. That's the nature of a phobia, it is something beyond rationalisation. Ok. Some are afraid of spiders. I'm afraid of PS. Now I've said it. It is a first step. Now it is time to confront myself with the object of my fears. In a safe controlled environment. Thats usually the best treat for phobias. And for some reason the layers in Lightzone seem less scary. So thats my controlled environment. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 11. april 2007 16:21 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Memories of spring Tim, I did not mean to spike a phobia. I'm just curious how you work with PS that finds you so confused. Since adopting Lightroom as the basis of my photo workflow/image processing, how I work with Photoshop and other image processing tools has changed. I can do most of the essential adjustments, cropping, and spotting work in Lightroom non-destructively, down to the point were there might be a couple of essential localized edits to tonal rendering or sharpening required. I then render a PSD file, created in the same place as the .DNG, which opens in Photoshop. (E.g.: IMGP1001.dng - IMGP1001-Edit.psd) I find it easier to confine selective tonal edits to Adjustment Layers with masks rather than laboriously doing selections and localizing the edits that way. Because Lightroom does such a good job overall, it rarely requires more than one or two layers to get what I need done. If the edit is particularly complex, I save another copy of the fully layered .PSD in the same directory (e.g.: IMGP1001- EditL.psd). Then I flatten all layers, save the -Edit file, and return to Lightroom where it is stacked with the original for simplicity in organization. The same workflow methodology will work with LightZone Basic, if that's the image editor you prefer instead of Photoshop. I see that LightCraft is offering a discounted version of LightZone Basic specifically for Lightroom and Aperture users ... I may well go for that. In my evaluation of RAW converters and editing tools, I found LightZone's tonal adjustment tools quite interesting and useful. The tool paradigm is very different from Photoshop, yes, but the layered- filter working methodology is essentially the same. It seems that unlike some others, I find the conceptual model of working in layers like this just far simpler and easier to do than directly manipulating pixels. Whatever works for you is best. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
Tim, Tim Øsleby wrote: I know you didn't mean to spike anything ;-) I like the word phobia. I think that’s an accurate description. Like most phobic reaction, this is hard to explain. That's the nature of a phobia, it is something beyond rationalisation. Ok. Some are afraid of spiders. I'm afraid of PS. Now I've said it. It is a first step. Now it is time to confront myself with the object of my fears. In a safe controlled environment. That’s usually the best treat for phobias. And for some reason the layers in Lightzone seem less scary. So that’s my controlled environment. I once read some place on the net that working in PS one has to do it in layers in order not to destroy the original image. So I did for quite some time up until LR arrived. Then I took a look back and realized that I actually almost never (like in 99.99% of the cases) returned and re-edited the multi layer PSD files. So I went and flattened these mutli layer images making sure that the original file (either scanned negative or digital image) was available elsewhere. It saved me at least 10 GB of space and it somehow made my life easier. These days I don't edit in PS. I find that I can do *all * that _I_ want to do to with the image in LR. Although I am not afraid of layers I never really mastered them. I understand the basic concept but I cannot say I am any proficient in this kind of editing. The way LR does it seems much more to my liking. Whatever it is worth... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Memories of spring
My Lightroom experience is similar as yours. But the photo that started this debate is one example where I couldn't finish inside Lightroom. I couldn't find a way tone down the disturbing rock without destroying the flower. And that's what set me of rethinking about Lightzone as a workaround my PS phobia. BTW. I have now had one round with the photo. And so far my experiences say I'm moving in the right direction. I'm not quite pleased with the result yet. But the learning curve doesn't seem too steep. I'll probably repost it, when I'm done. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 11. april 2007 19:45 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Memories of spring Tim, Tim Øsleby wrote: I know you didn't mean to spike anything ;-) I like the word phobia. I think thats an accurate description. Like most phobic reaction, this is hard to explain. That's the nature of a phobia, it is something beyond rationalisation. Ok. Some are afraid of spiders. I'm afraid of PS. Now I've said it. It is a first step. Now it is time to confront myself with the object of my fears. In a safe controlled environment. Thats usually the best treat for phobias. And for some reason the layers in Lightzone seem less scary. So thats my controlled environment. I once read some place on the net that working in PS one has to do it in layers in order not to destroy the original image. So I did for quite some time up until LR arrived. Then I took a look back and realized that I actually almost never (like in 99.99% of the cases) returned and re-edited the multi layer PSD files. So I went and flattened these mutli layer images making sure that the original file (either scanned negative or digital image) was available elsewhere. It saved me at least 10 GB of space and it somehow made my life easier. These days I don't edit in PS. I find that I can do *all * that _I_ want to do to with the image in LR. Although I am not afraid of layers I never really mastered them. I understand the basic concept but I cannot say I am any proficient in this kind of editing. The way LR does it seems much more to my liking. Whatever it is worth... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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FWIW layers are over-rated. I usually edit on the live image with no backup. I like the buzz. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Cotty wrote: FWIW layers are over-rated. I usually edit on the live image with no backup. I like the buzz. Photoshop as a risk taking joyride. I like it. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hello Tim, The lighting coming through is rather nice. The big detractor for me is the out of focus light color at the bottom of the picture. It competes with the flower for my attention. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 8:43:04 AM, you wrote: TØ For a couple of weeks we had very nice spring weather here. Now it is TØ pouring down again. So I thought I'd better warm myself with a flower TØ picture I took. TØ (Posted at the user friendliest of my sites, so all of you should be able to TØ see it) TØ My first macro for a long long time, so it is almost a debut ;-) TØ It was strong backlight. I was surprised the lens didn't produce more flare. TØ Pentax glass rules! TØ http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 TØ K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing TØ fancy or dramatic. TØ Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. TØ Brickbats, rotten eggs, or flowers appreciated ;-) TØ Tim Typo TØ Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I see what you mean. It's a rock. The only way I could have avoided it was with a lower perspective. I was already lying at the ground. So it didn't seem worth the trouble digging myself down ;-) Thanks for looking. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: 10. april 2007 17:58 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Memories of spring Hello Tim, The lighting coming through is rather nice. The big detractor for me is the out of focus light color at the bottom of the picture. It competes with the flower for my attention. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 8:43:04 AM, you wrote: TØ For a couple of weeks we had very nice spring weather here. Now it is TØ pouring down again. So I thought I'd better warm myself with a flower TØ picture I took. TØ (Posted at the user friendliest of my sites, so all of you should be able to TØ see it) TØ My first macro for a long long time, so it is almost a debut ;-) TØ It was strong backlight. I was surprised the lens didn't produce more flare. TØ Pentax glass rules! TØ http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 TØ K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing TØ fancy or dramatic. TØ Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. TØ Brickbats, rotten eggs, or flowers appreciated ;-) TØ Tim Typo TØ Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Beautiful blossom form. Could stand on its own isolated on a dark homogeneous non-competing background. Jack --- Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a couple of weeks we had very nice spring weather here. Now it is pouring down again. So I thought I'd better warm myself with a flower picture I took. (Posted at the user friendliest of my sites, so all of you should be able to see it) My first macro for a long long time, so it is almost a debut ;-) It was strong backlight. I was surprised the lens didn't produce more flare. Pentax glass rules! http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing fancy or dramatic. Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. Brickbats, rotten eggs, or flowers appreciated ;-) Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing fancy or dramatic. Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. Very nice, Tim. This is one I'd recommend rendering and dropping into PHotoshop or other image editor, then selectively darkening that rock just a bit. It's a little bit distracting. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 4/10/2007 1:51:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beautiful blossom form. Could stand on its own isolated on a dark homogeneous non-competing background. Jack What he said. And, boy, did he say it well -- a mouthful well. Marnie aka Doe :-) = TØ For a couple of weeks we had very nice spring weather here. Now it is TØ pouring down again. So I thought I'd better warm myself with a flower TØ picture I took. TØ (Posted at the user friendliest of my sites, so all of you should be able to TØ see it) TØ My first macro for a long long time, so it is almost a debut ;-) TØ It was strong backlight. I was surprised the lens didn't produce more flare. TØ Pentax glass rules! TØ http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 TØ K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing TØ fancy or dramatic. TØ Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. TØ Brickbats, rotten eggs, or flowers appreciated ;-) TØ Tim Typo TØ Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'll look into it. Trying to make the rock less distracting. This have made me realise I need to improve my editing skills. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11. april 2007 02:05 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Memories of spring In a message dated 4/10/2007 1:51:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beautiful blossom form. Could stand on its own isolated on a dark homogeneous non-competing background. Jack What he said. And, boy, did he say it well -- a mouthful well. Marnie aka Doe :-) = TØ For a couple of weeks we had very nice spring weather here. Now it is TØ pouring down again. So I thought I'd better warm myself with a flower TØ picture I took. TØ (Posted at the user friendliest of my sites, so all of you should be able to TØ see it) TØ My first macro for a long long time, so it is almost a debut ;-) TØ It was strong backlight. I was surprised the lens didn't produce more flare. TØ Pentax glass rules! TØ http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 TØ K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing TØ fancy or dramatic. TØ Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. TØ Brickbats, rotten eggs, or flowers appreciated ;-) TØ Tim Typo TØ Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Memories of spring
Tomorrow I think I will look into what Lightzone can do to this image. I've seen some video tutorials about it. Looks as a program I could learn to use. These tutorials made me realise why I have this strong feelings against editing in PS. It is all about Layers. I get lost in them. The Layers concept makes me loose the big picture when editing. When editing on layers, I don't see the impact of what I do directly. At least not the way I have been using them. Lightzone seem to be more WYSIWYG. And there is no need to tell me. I know that PS is more powerful than the American President (at least it is more intelligent), and that layers is the best thing since whipped cream. I don't need a powerful program. I need something that sets _me_ in control. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 11. april 2007 00:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Memories of spring On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=302863 K10D and FA 50/2,8 macro at f:5,6, freehand. Converted in Lightroom, nothing fancy or dramatic. Healed down some tiny bits of flare in same software. Very nice, Tim. This is one I'd recommend rendering and dropping into PHotoshop or other image editor, then selectively darkening that rock just a bit. It's a little bit distracting. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Memories of spring
On Apr 10, 2007, at 7:11 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: These tutorials made me realise why I have this strong feelings against editing in PS. It is all about Layers. I get lost in them. The Layers concept makes me loose the big picture when editing. When editing on layers, I don't see the impact of what I do directly. At least not the way I have been using them. Which begs the question: How have you been using Photoshop layers that you don't see the impact of what you do directly? BTW, LightZone's operation is based on making adjustments using function modules and layering them on top of one another... It's just like using Adjustment Layers in Photoshop. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
