Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
In a message dated 4/20/02 11:36:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <<"Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses "collectibles" (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this kind of money? Paul Franklin Stregevsky>> I think the difference here is that the older pentax lenses continue to work with the newer Pentax bodies. That's not the case with Canon. So everyone is trading in their old "useless" Canon lenses for new ones to use with their new cameras. Pentax users continue to use the old lenses with their new cameras. As a result, there are fewer out there and supply and demand makes them more valuable. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
Most of Pentax's "K" Series Lenses are highly sought after because they exude quality and performance. Many people purchase these lenses (e.g., K28/2.0, K30/2.8, K35/2.0, K50/1.2, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, etc...) and will never sell them (I won't sell mine either...); when they occasionally do show up on eBay or stores, they sell at a very high price and very quickly (because of their reputation). Regards, Jose R. Rodriguez -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mishka Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.) I guess, what I want to know is, those are that expensive simply because they have collectible status, or because they blow away all the competition? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
> got 3 new lenses this > month, and i have a feeling they are dying > to refract some light... Sounds like a good month, Mishka !!! Time to take the new glass out for some refractive therapy (good for them and good for you - ). Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
my sincerest apologies to the listers! so i'm shutting my mouth and going to burn some film: got 3 new lenses this month, and i have a feeling they are dying to refract some light... - Original Message - From: "Paul F. Stregevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.) > Hey--Who is this guy who's trying to inject a dose of commonsense into our > support group? > > "Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses > "collectibles" (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so > much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as > pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more > sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this kind > of money? > > Paul Franklin Stregevsky > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
A US website listed a K28/2, same condition, same price, once in 1999, again in 2000. Each time, I discovered it a few day after the lens was sold. I also missed one in Finland. I finally found one on a Kansas site for about $260. It's still the costliest lens I own below 200mm. I just discovered a note in my 28/2K data that says, "Call Bob S if you find one." It's dated April 2001. I guess I haven't seen one since. Bob S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And the K28/2.0 I have never seen...only rarely see the M28/2 or A28/2. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
Hey--Who is this guy who's trying to inject a dose of commonsense into our support group? "Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses "collectibles" (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this kind of money? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
I never could understand why people pay so much for these, except the consumerism and lust factor. I mean, the 1.8/85 is great lens (the very similar or same Zeiss/Zeiss Jena design is great) but a lens designed mainly for wide open performance with use of advanced glass types like the 1.2 or 1.4 85s from Pentax,Canon,Zeiss will surely be better, at least at the wider apertures. Perhaps some people love their Pentax bodies so much that they wouldn't consider getting another body just for another maker's lens. Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
Wasn't Canon lens a f/0.95 and not f/0.79? I'm pretty sure it was. Lukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mishka Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.) > IMHO, the "limited" lenses are restoring their glory. The "K" > series was produced at time that quality meant everything. Then economics > and saleability prevailed. As far as I understand, A* lenses have never been victims of "economics and saleability". Still, FA* 85/1.4 goes for what (older) A*85/1.4 and (a lot older and slower) K85/1.8 I don't have doubts that they are good. My question is, are they *that* good? There are other lenses from the same time (C & N) that go for half the money (I seriously doubt that Cannon L glass is inferior to Pentax A*). Or is it simply the lust factor? -- which would be very understandable (found myself guilty of that on more than one occasion), since these lenses *are* rare, but that has little to do with photography. As for Cannon 50/0.79 -- at least I can understand why it is a collectible, there're not that many other 0.79 lenses around (in fact, I am not aware of any). Oh well, it's Friday... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
Some one, some the other, and some both. Mishka wrote: > I guess, what I want to know is, those are that expensive simply because > they have collectible status, or because they blow away all the competition? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
Still, FA* 85/1.4 goes for what (older) A*85/1.4 and (a lot > older and slower) K85/1.8 I don't have doubts that they are good. My > question is, are they *that* good? The K85/1.8 is very rare and sought after both as user and collectable. Optically, it is the same as the SMC Takumar. It is a superb lens! Too bad Pentax didn't keep it in the catalogue longer. The 85f1.4 is a internal focus design where as the 85 f1.8 was not. In shear resolution, the 85 f1.8 exceeds that of the 77 f1.8 limited other than the limited seems to be better in the f16 - 22 range "Yoshihiko's Site". If I didn't already have one, including the SMC Takumar, I would probably LUST for one. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
On 20 Apr 2002 at 1:00, Mishka wrote: > As far as I understand, A* lenses have never been victims of "economics and > saleability". Still, FA* 85/1.4 goes for what (older) A*85/1.4 and (a lot older > and slower) K85/1.8 I don't have doubts that they are good. My question is, are > they *that* good? There are other lenses from the same time (C & N) that go for > half the money (I seriously doubt that Cannon L glass is inferior to Pentax A*). These A* lenses are good, why don't you think that Canon L glass wouldn't be inferior to Pentax? The FA*85f1.4 has very different optical characteristics to the A*85f1.4 which provides an image closer to the K85f1.8 in look. BTW It's actually Saturday afternoon :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
> IMHO, the "limited" lenses are restoring their glory. The "K" > series was produced at time that quality meant everything. Then economics > and saleability prevailed. As far as I understand, A* lenses have never been victims of "economics and saleability". Still, FA* 85/1.4 goes for what (older) A*85/1.4 and (a lot older and slower) K85/1.8 I don't have doubts that they are good. My question is, are they *that* good? There are other lenses from the same time (C & N) that go for half the money (I seriously doubt that Cannon L glass is inferior to Pentax A*). Or is it simply the lust factor? -- which would be very understandable (found myself guilty of that on more than one occasion), since these lenses *are* rare, but that has little to do with photography. As for Cannon 50/0.79 -- at least I can understand why it is a collectible, there're not that many other 0.79 lenses around (in fact, I am not aware of any). Oh well, it's Friday... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
I guess, what I want to know is, those are that expensive simply because they have collectible status, or because they blow away all the competition? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
From: "Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:06 PM > i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses > "collectibles" (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so > much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as > pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more > sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this kind > of money? $600 for 85/1.8, 20 years old, even though in excellent shape, You have to understand that Pentax has produced some of the finest lenses ever produced. IMHO, the "limited" lenses are restoring their glory. The "K" series was produced at time that quality meant everything. Then economics and saleability prevailed. Canon had a 50 f.79 for their rangefinders. It was a big piece of glass and had the performance of a simple meniscus lens! Yet that camera and lens are a collectors item to put behind glass. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses "collectibles" (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this kind of money? $600 for 85/1.8, 20 years old, even though in excellent shape, just strikes me as something completely irrational. unless it has an adapter for hasselblad mount. - Original Message - From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.) > > I know, I know, someone of you traded a used 50mm f2 and some > > bubble gum wrappers for one. But most of the rest of us, we spend > > years looking for these lenses. > > I was fortunate enough to be able to find some of the "toughies" you > mentioned (A* 135/1.8, A* 85/1.4, K 85/1.8) before they (recently) > got a ~lot~ tougher to get hold of (and before the prices went > through the roof). A couple of other Pentax lenses that took me a > while to track down were the K 28/2 (whew!) and the A 100/2.8 Macro. > > One 3rd-party "cult lens" that took a while was the Vivitar Series 1 > 450/4.5 Aspheric Mirror (with 2X Macro Matched Multiplier). > However, some of the other 3rd-party "cult lenses" turned out to be > not too difficult at all - e.g., the VS1 90/2.5 Macro (with 1:1 > Macro Adapter), the optically identical Tokina AT-X 90/2.5 Macro > (with 1:1 Macro Extender), the VS1 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Zoom, and > the VS1 600/8 and 800/11 Perkin-Elmer Solid Cats. > > But one critter I'm still in the hunt for is the Pentax K 35/2... > > Fred > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)
> I know, I know, someone of you traded a used 50mm f2 and some > bubble gum wrappers for one. But most of the rest of us, we spend > years looking for these lenses. I was fortunate enough to be able to find some of the "toughies" you mentioned (A* 135/1.8, A* 85/1.4, K 85/1.8) before they (recently) got a ~lot~ tougher to get hold of (and before the prices went through the roof). A couple of other Pentax lenses that took me a while to track down were the K 28/2 (whew!) and the A 100/2.8 Macro. One 3rd-party "cult lens" that took a while was the Vivitar Series 1 450/4.5 Aspheric Mirror (with 2X Macro Matched Multiplier). However, some of the other 3rd-party "cult lenses" turned out to be not too difficult at all - e.g., the VS1 90/2.5 Macro (with 1:1 Macro Adapter), the optically identical Tokina AT-X 90/2.5 Macro (with 1:1 Macro Extender), the VS1 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Zoom, and the VS1 600/8 and 800/11 Perkin-Elmer Solid Cats. But one critter I'm still in the hunt for is the Pentax K 35/2... Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
