Re: Some really neat northern lights photos
does anyone have the link for those photos? rg2 *PENTAX SAMURAI* - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: RE: Some really neat northern lights photos > Greenland got populated by the Scandinavian Vikings a thuosand years ago. I > guess the Vikings got there during summer, where the coastal areas appeared > quite green. Remember that the climate at that time was considerably warmer > than it is today. Greenland is up to this day still a part of the Kingdom of > Denmark. > > Erik the Red, was a Norwegian Viking (actually rebbel an a murderer - a kind > of an outlaw - a refugee from Norway and Iceland) left Norway to go to > Island and later moved on to Greenland. On a trip to Greenland in 985 he > missed Greenland and reached North America, which was then called Wineland, > because they found wine plants there (somewhere in todays Canada, I > believe). The first European to see North America was a man from Iceland, > travelling with Erik the Red. His name was Bjarni Herjolfsson. Actually he > dissovered North America, not Christoffer Columbus, who got there about 500 > years later. Erik the Red Never reached America himself but wnt back to > Greenland. His son Leif the Happy, got to America 10-14 years later. They > never really established a Viking coloni there, because the native > population (indian, inuit) was giving them a very hard time. So, it was in > fact the Vikings who "discovered" America. After that the world was never > the same... > > Jens Bladt > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > > -Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 4. december 2004 05:37 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Emne: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > > > On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I always thought that "Greenland" was an early example of false > > advertizing in the attempt to make people move there :-) > > Probably named by the guy who invented the greenhouse. > > Cheers, > > - Dave (we call them glasshouses here) > > http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ > > > >
Re: Some really neat northern lights photos
thanks bunches rg2 *PENTAX SAMURAI* - Original Message - From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html > > Cheers, > Ryan > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > > > > does anyone have the link for those photos? > > > > rg2 > > *PENTAX SAMURAI* > > >
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http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > does anyone have the link for those photos? > > rg2 > *PENTAX SAMURAI*
RE: Some really neat northern lights photos
Hello Jostien. I believe that Leiv Eriksson and Leif Den Lykkelige (The Happy) is in fact the same person - son of Erik den Røde (the Red). I have seen a TV broadcast - broadcasted in relation to a recent viking boat trip, following the trail of Leif or Erik - from the coastal areas, where he/they are belived to have landed. The location showed some kind of evidence of their presence. This broadcast also showed evidence of local plants, closely related to wine. I know that this could very well prove to be wrong, of course. Anyway, the present climate would not allow wine growing. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 5. december 2004 14:45 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos Have to correct you on this one, Jens. It was Leiv Eriksson, son of Erik the Red, who went to Northern America. The spelling of the land was Vinland, from Vine meaning grassland. It has nothing to do with grapes, which is a Eurasian plant, btw. (read the biography of Helge Ingstad a while back) Jostein - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Greenland got populated by the Scandinavian Vikings a thuosand years ago. I > guess the Vikings got there during summer, where the coastal areas appeared > quite green. Remember that the climate at that time was considerably warmer > than it is today. Greenland is up to this day still a part of the Kingdom of > Denmark. > > Erik the Red, was a Norwegian Viking (actually rebbel an a murderer - a kind > of an outlaw - a refugee from Norway and Iceland) left Norway to go to > Island and later moved on to Greenland. On a trip to Greenland in 985 he > missed Greenland and reached North America, which was then called Wineland, > because they found wine plants there (somewhere in todays Canada, I > believe). The first European to see North America was a man from Iceland, > travelling with Erik the Red. His name was Bjarni Herjolfsson. Actually he > dissovered North America, not Christoffer Columbus, who got there about 500 > years later. Erik the Red Never reached America himself but wnt back to > Greenland. His son Leif the Happy, got to America 10-14 years later. They > never really established a Viking coloni there, because the native > population (indian, inuit) was giving them a very hard time. So, it was in > fact the Vikings who "discovered" America. After that the world was never > the same... > > Jens Bladt > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 4. december 2004 05:37 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Emne: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > > > On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I always thought that "Greenland" was an early example of false > > advertizing in the attempt to make people move there :-) > > Probably named by the guy who invented the greenhouse. > > Cheers, > > - Dave (we call them glasshouses here) > > http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ > > >
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Have to correct you on this one, Jens. It was Leiv Eriksson, son of Erik the Red, who went to Northern America. The spelling of the land was Vinland, from Vine meaning grassland. It has nothing to do with grapes, which is a Eurasian plant, btw. (read the biography of Helge Ingstad a while back) Jostein - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Greenland got populated by the Scandinavian Vikings a thuosand years ago. I > guess the Vikings got there during summer, where the coastal areas appeared > quite green. Remember that the climate at that time was considerably warmer > than it is today. Greenland is up to this day still a part of the Kingdom of > Denmark. > > Erik the Red, was a Norwegian Viking (actually rebbel an a murderer - a kind > of an outlaw - a refugee from Norway and Iceland) left Norway to go to > Island and later moved on to Greenland. On a trip to Greenland in 985 he > missed Greenland and reached North America, which was then called Wineland, > because they found wine plants there (somewhere in todays Canada, I > believe). The first European to see North America was a man from Iceland, > travelling with Erik the Red. His name was Bjarni Herjolfsson. Actually he > dissovered North America, not Christoffer Columbus, who got there about 500 > years later. Erik the Red Never reached America himself but wnt back to > Greenland. His son Leif the Happy, got to America 10-14 years later. They > never really established a Viking coloni there, because the native > population (indian, inuit) was giving them a very hard time. So, it was in > fact the Vikings who "discovered" America. After that the world was never > the same... > > Jens Bladt > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 4. december 2004 05:37 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Emne: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > > > On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I always thought that "Greenland" was an early example of false > > advertizing in the attempt to make people move there :-) > > Probably named by the guy who invented the greenhouse. > > Cheers, > > - Dave (we call them glasshouses here) > > http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ > > >
RE: Some really neat northern lights photos
Greenland got populated by the Scandinavian Vikings a thuosand years ago. I guess the Vikings got there during summer, where the coastal areas appeared quite green. Remember that the climate at that time was considerably warmer than it is today. Greenland is up to this day still a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Erik the Red, was a Norwegian Viking (actually rebbel an a murderer - a kind of an outlaw - a refugee from Norway and Iceland) left Norway to go to Island and later moved on to Greenland. On a trip to Greenland in 985 he missed Greenland and reached North America, which was then called Wineland, because they found wine plants there (somewhere in todays Canada, I believe). The first European to see North America was a man from Iceland, travelling with Erik the Red. His name was Bjarni Herjolfsson. Actually he dissovered North America, not Christoffer Columbus, who got there about 500 years later. Erik the Red Never reached America himself but wnt back to Greenland. His son Leif the Happy, got to America 10-14 years later. They never really established a Viking coloni there, because the native population (indian, inuit) was giving them a very hard time. So, it was in fact the Vikings who "discovered" America. After that the world was never the same... Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. december 2004 05:37 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I always thought that "Greenland" was an early example of false > advertizing in the attempt to make people move there :-) Probably named by the guy who invented the greenhouse. Cheers, - Dave (we call them glasshouses here) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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Ok, *someone* has to post this link. :) http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/ For those who like to know what they're clicking on, imagine Led Zeppelin, kittens and Vikings. Chris On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:37:24 -0500, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I heayrd a much different story. > > Eric the Red was forced to leave Iceland, apparently after killing a few > people. He found Greenland and established the first colony there about > 982, naming it Greenland to make it sound more attractive. His son, > Lief Ericson, brought Christianity to Greenland and explored the coast > of North America. > > The Greenland colony was abandoned, largely because the Inuit natives > were even better warriors than the Vikings, and made the intruders quite > unwelcome. It was later resettled by Norwegians and Danes. > > Greenland is mostly ice, while Iceland is mostly green, and much > warmer. It's all in the language chosen by the listing real estate agent.
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On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I always thought that "Greenland" was an early example of false advertizing in the attempt to make people move there :-) Probably named by the guy who invented the greenhouse. Cheers, - Dave (we call them glasshouses here) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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the Little Ice Age came and lasted for 400 years or more right around the time Lief got back from Vinland and started to promote it. that plus a few more killings, a few slightly crazed immigrants, and that was about the end of it. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Jon Glass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when it > was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is > actually green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was > such a sight to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked > so pleasant, that they named it green land, because that was how it > looked. However, only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the > settlement there eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable?
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I've suddenly come to realize how old some of you people on the list are. You mostly speak as if you were there. Funny that you didn't see it all the same way. :) Tom C. From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:20:47 + Hi, Friday, December 3, 2004, 3:37:24 PM, Daniel wrote: > I heayrd a much different story. > Eric the Red was forced to leave Iceland, apparently after killing a few > people. He found Greenland and established the first colony there about > 982, naming it Greenland to make it sound more attractive. His son, > Lief Ericson, brought Christianity to Greenland and explored the coast > of North America. > The Greenland colony was abandoned, largely because the Inuit natives > were even better warriors than the Vikings, and made the intruders quite > unwelcome. It was later resettled by Norwegians and Danes. > Greenland is mostly ice, while Iceland is mostly green, and much > warmer. It's all in the language chosen by the listing real estate agent. Greenland was colonised during the Mediaeval Warm Period, when it was green. This is not inconsistent with the idea that he sexed it up a bit for the people back home - if you find a nice place and want people to move there, you're going to tell them it's nice. I saw an interesting documentary about this some years ago. As far as I remember there were no other people there at the time - the Inuit having abandoned it before. When the warm period gave way to the Little Ice Age the Viking settlers didn't have the skills to deal with the new type of climate. The Inuit, who started to return during the colder weather, knew how to survive, but - rather like early European settlers of Virginia - the Norse didn't know how to ask for help, or their religious and other cultural prejudices prevented them from asking, and their fortunes declined. I have a book called "Floods, Famines and Emperors" by Brian Fagan in which he describes the effect of climate change on various cultures worldwide over the last few thousand years. He goes into more detail than I can repeat here about the history of the Norse settlements in Greenland, but as far as I can tell, during the 500 or so years that the Norse were in Greenland there was little contact with the Inuit except at the very end, when the Inuit may have attacked the settlements. -- Cheers, Bob
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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:25:42 +, Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the way, I promised someone I'd send him (her?) a list of CDs by Björk, but > I lost all my mail last summer in an upgrade accident and never got around to > asking. Will whoever I promised to send the list please stand up? If enough > people are interested I'll send it to the list. Wasn't me. I think she's smokin', but her music is only mildly interesting to me. That said, her latest CD is the most interesting I've heard from her yet, but not enough that I think I'll buy it. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Hi, Friday, December 3, 2004, 3:37:24 PM, Daniel wrote: > I heayrd a much different story. > Eric the Red was forced to leave Iceland, apparently after killing a few > people. He found Greenland and established the first colony there about > 982, naming it Greenland to make it sound more attractive. His son, > Lief Ericson, brought Christianity to Greenland and explored the coast > of North America. > The Greenland colony was abandoned, largely because the Inuit natives > were even better warriors than the Vikings, and made the intruders quite > unwelcome. It was later resettled by Norwegians and Danes. > Greenland is mostly ice, while Iceland is mostly green, and much > warmer. It's all in the language chosen by the listing real estate agent. Greenland was colonised during the Mediaeval Warm Period, when it was green. This is not inconsistent with the idea that he sexed it up a bit for the people back home - if you find a nice place and want people to move there, you're going to tell them it's nice. I saw an interesting documentary about this some years ago. As far as I remember there were no other people there at the time - the Inuit having abandoned it before. When the warm period gave way to the Little Ice Age the Viking settlers didn't have the skills to deal with the new type of climate. The Inuit, who started to return during the colder weather, knew how to survive, but - rather like early European settlers of Virginia - the Norse didn't know how to ask for help, or their religious and other cultural prejudices prevented them from asking, and their fortunes declined. I have a book called "Floods, Famines and Emperors" by Brian Fagan in which he describes the effect of climate change on various cultures worldwide over the last few thousand years. He goes into more detail than I can repeat here about the history of the Norse settlements in Greenland, but as far as I can tell, during the 500 or so years that the Norse were in Greenland there was little contact with the Inuit except at the very end, when the Inuit may have attacked the settlements. -- Cheers, Bob
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I've heard a couple of versions here in Iceland, but the most common one is a blend of o few I've read here. Supposedly, Iceland was given its name because they saw the glaciers when they approached, and Greenland was named to lure more settlers there. But I've never seen a reference to any documents, so it's probably an urban legend. By the way, I promised someone I'd send him (her?) a list of CDs by Björk, but I lost all my mail last summer in an upgrade accident and never got around to asking. Will whoever I promised to send the list please stand up? If enough people are interested I'll send it to the list. Thrainn On Friday 03 December 2004 06:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:53:58 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named > > > > country in the world. > > > > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named > > > > > > Named by the same people, right? > > > > The way I heard it, which might be urban legend, was that Eric the Red > > (IIRC) "discovered" both (from a Euro-centric POV) and named Iceland > > and Greenland the opposite of what they "really were" to dissuade other > > Europeans from going after Iceland. > > I've heard that too, several times. Once from an Icelandic person. It may > indeed be an urban legend, but if so, it's THEIR urban legend. (An > "official urban legend"?) > She did not tell me the name of the relevant Viking, so I can't help you > there. > Anyone seen or heard from our Icelandic PDMLer lately? > > ERNR
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:46:05 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >ps: yeah, she's whacko, but I think she's cute (and I'm shallow). -ft > > Hey buddy that's good enough for me. > Maybe I could get her to wear that swan outfit she wore at the Oscars (tm) a couple of years ago... -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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I'm not saying it's wrong. :-) I think it's very likely that the Sri Lanka events had a siginficant impact. There's archaeological remnants of settlements on Greenland at least until 1350, but by then the socielty there were probably well past it's prime. Jostein - Original Message - From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > Well, I am will to believe that the information I read was wrong, but I am just > as willing to believe my memory is inaccurate (especially nowadays). > > > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > > > Jostein wrote: > > I don't think the Viking settlements on Greenland were abandoned until > > about 1400. It was since about 1350 that the climate grew > > progressively colder in both Greenland and Northern Europe. This trend > > culminated with the "little ice-age" which ended between 1850 and > > 1900. > > > > Recently, there has also been speculation that the downfall of the > > Mayan civilisation was caused by the same events, leading to drought > > in the middle-americas. > > > > Jostein > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:21 PM > > Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > > > > > > > >>The volcanic eruption in Sri Lanka caused global cooling that caused > > > > Greenland > > > >>to become uninhabitable about 1100 or so. At least that is the > > > > current theory > > > >>(or the latest one I have seen, anyway) > >> > >> > >>graywolf > >>http://www.graywolfphoto.com > >>"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > >>--- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Jon Glass wrote: > >> > >>>On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Herb Chong wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is > > > > today, so > > > >>>>Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts > > > > anyway. > > > >>>>then > >>>>came the Little Ice Age. > >>>> > >>> > >>>You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when > > > > it > > > >>>was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is > > > > actually > > > >>>green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was such a > > > > sight > > > >>>to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked so > > > > pleasant, > > > >>>that they named it green land, because that was how it looked. > > > > However, > > > >>>only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the settlement > > > > there > > > >>>eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable? > >> > > > > >
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On 3/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >ps: yeah, she's whacko, but I think she's cute (and I'm shallow). -ft Hey buddy that's good enough for me. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:26:52 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Another reason to move to Iceland (along with the fact that Bjork lives > >there). > > You're kidding me right? She's a nutter! > What's yer point? -frank ps: yeah, she's whacko, but I think she's cute (and I'm shallow). -ft -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Well, I am will to believe that the information I read was wrong, but I am just as willing to believe my memory is inaccurate (especially nowadays). graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Jostein wrote: I don't think the Viking settlements on Greenland were abandoned until about 1400. It was since about 1350 that the climate grew progressively colder in both Greenland and Northern Europe. This trend culminated with the "little ice-age" which ended between 1850 and 1900. Recently, there has also been speculation that the downfall of the Mayan civilisation was caused by the same events, leading to drought in the middle-americas. Jostein - Original Message - From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos The volcanic eruption in Sri Lanka caused global cooling that caused Greenland to become uninhabitable about 1100 or so. At least that is the current theory (or the latest one I have seen, anyway) graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Jon Glass wrote: On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Herb Chong wrote: 1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is today, so Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts anyway. then came the Little Ice Age. You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when it was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is actually green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was such a sight to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked so pleasant, that they named it green land, because that was how it looked. However, only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the settlement there eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable?
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I don't think the Viking settlements on Greenland were abandoned until about 1400. It was since about 1350 that the climate grew progressively colder in both Greenland and Northern Europe. This trend culminated with the "little ice-age" which ended between 1850 and 1900. Recently, there has also been speculation that the downfall of the Mayan civilisation was caused by the same events, leading to drought in the middle-americas. Jostein - Original Message - From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > The volcanic eruption in Sri Lanka caused global cooling that caused Greenland > to become uninhabitable about 1100 or so. At least that is the current theory > (or the latest one I have seen, anyway) > > > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > > > Jon Glass wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Herb Chong wrote: > > > >> 1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is today, so > >> Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts anyway. > >> then > >> came the Little Ice Age. > >> > > You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when it > > was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is actually > > green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was such a sight > > to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked so pleasant, > > that they named it green land, because that was how it looked. However, > > only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the settlement there > > eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable? >
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The volcanic eruption in Sri Lanka caused global cooling that caused Greenland to become uninhabitable about 1100 or so. At least that is the current theory (or the latest one I have seen, anyway) graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Jon Glass wrote: On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Herb Chong wrote: 1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is today, so Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts anyway. then came the Little Ice Age. You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when it was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is actually green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was such a sight to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked so pleasant, that they named it green land, because that was how it looked. However, only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the settlement there eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable?
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so he named it euphemistically. I thought he named it Greenland.:-) Dave
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Actually not entirely true, they were examples of a land swindle. The discoverer of Greenland wanted people to colonize the land so he named it euphemistically. Bob W wrote: Hi, My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named country in the world. Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named they are both evidence of climate change since they were named. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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I heayrd a much different story. Eric the Red was forced to leave Iceland, apparently after killing a few people. He found Greenland and established the first colony there about 982, naming it Greenland to make it sound more attractive. His son, Lief Ericson, brought Christianity to Greenland and explored the coast of North America. The Greenland colony was abandoned, largely because the Inuit natives were even better warriors than the Vikings, and made the intruders quite unwelcome. It was later resettled by Norwegians and Danes. Greenland is mostly ice, while Iceland is mostly green, and much warmer. It's all in the language chosen by the listing real estate agent. Jon Glass wrote: On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Herb Chong wrote: 1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is today, so Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts anyway. then came the Little Ice Age. You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when it was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is actually green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was such a sight to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked so pleasant, that they named it green land, because that was how it looked. However, only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the settlement there eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable?
Re: Some really neat northern lights photos
On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Herb Chong wrote: 1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is today, so Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts anyway. then came the Little Ice Age. You know, I remember learning as a young lad, that Greenland, when it was named, was first sighted at the one time of year when it is actually green (those few, rare days in the summer?) and that it was such a sight to the poor-sea-faring eyes of the discoverers, and looked so pleasant, that they named it green land, because that was how it looked. However, only later did they discover the truth. Wasn't the settlement there eventually abandoned because it was so uninhabitable? -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Some really neat northern lights photos
1) the weather was a lot warmer back then, almost like it is today, so Greenland and Vinland really were a lot greener, on the coasts anyway. then came the Little Ice Age. 2) Iceland had been settled for a lot longer than Eric's time. Eric emigrated to Iceland because he was thrown out of Norway for arguing with and then murdering too many relatives. he promptly did the same after arriving and had to keep going. Herb... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Some really neat northern lights photos > I've heard that too, several times. Once from an Icelandic person. It may > indeed be an urban legend, but if so, it's THEIR urban legend. (An "official > urban legend"?) > She did not tell me the name of the relevant Viking, so I can't help you > there. > Anyone seen or heard from our Icelandic PDMLer lately?
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On 2/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >Another reason to move to Iceland (along with the fact that Bjork lives >there). You're kidding me right? She's a nutter! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Quoting Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:53:58 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named > > > country in the world. > > > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named > > > > Named by the same people, right? > > The way I heard it, which might be urban legend, was that Eric the Red > (IIRC) "discovered" both (from a Euro-centric POV) and named Iceland > and Greenland the opposite of what they "really were" to dissuade other > Europeans from going after Iceland. I've heard that too, several times. Once from an Icelandic person. It may indeed be an urban legend, but if so, it's THEIR urban legend. (An "official urban legend"?) She did not tell me the name of the relevant Viking, so I can't help you there. Anyone seen or heard from our Icelandic PDMLer lately? ERNR
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:53:58 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named > > country in the world. > > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named > > Named by the same people, right? The way I heard it, which might be urban legend, was that Eric the Red (IIRC) "discovered" both (from a Euro-centric POV) and named Iceland and Greenland the opposite of what they "really were" to dissuade other Europeans from going after Iceland. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:03:44 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html > > My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. > > Dave > Another reason to move to Iceland (along with the fact that Bjork lives there). Nice link, Dave. Thanks. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Jens Bladt" > Subject: RE: Some really neat northern lights photos > > > > Iceland must be really beautiful. My son (13) was there twice > > already. I > > have never been to Iceland. Maybe I will go some day. > > Iceland have more internet connections, than any other European > > country, > > compared to the number of people living there. Norway is number 2, > > Sweeden > > number 3, Denmark number 4. I wonder why... I guess if it's cold, > > people > > tend to stay more indoors!? > > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named > country in the world. > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named Named by the same people, right?
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> fra: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > > > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named > > country in the world. > > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named > > they are both evidence of climate change since they were named. I always thought that "Greenland" was an early example of false advertizing in the attempt to make people move there :-) But seriously, at the right time of the year parts of Greenland can still be very green. The vegetation has to make the most of the short season. Most of the trees are gone both on Greenland and Iceland, but that was because the vikings used them without planting new ones. DagT
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Hi, > My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named > country in the world. > Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named they are both evidence of climate change since they were named. -- Cheers, Bob
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- Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" Subject: RE: Some really neat northern lights photos Iceland must be really beautiful. My son (13) was there twice already. I have never been to Iceland. Maybe I will go some day. Iceland have more internet connections, than any other European country, compared to the number of people living there. Norway is number 2, Sweeden number 3, Denmark number 4. I wonder why... I guess if it's cold, people tend to stay more indoors!? My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named country in the world. Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named William Robb
RE: Some really neat northern lights photos
Iceland must be really beautiful. My son (13) was there twice already. I have never been to Iceland. Maybe I will go some day. Iceland have more internet connections, than any other European country, compared to the number of people living there. Norway is number 2, Sweeden number 3, Denmark number 4. I wonder why... I guess if it's cold, people tend to stay more indoors!? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. december 2004 10:04 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Some really neat northern lights photos http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. Dave
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Tom C wrote: > Thanks... those were cool. I love shooting the aurora, I just don't have > the same angle at 43 degrees north. > > Tom C. Cool is an understatement Makes me want to head north - ann > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Some really neat northern lights photos > >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:03:44 US/Eastern > > > > http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html > > > >My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd > >share. > > > >Dave > > > >
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Thanks... those were cool. I love shooting the aurora, I just don't have the same angle at 43 degrees north. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some really neat northern lights photos Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:03:44 US/Eastern http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. Dave
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For the adventure of it all. (My definition of adventure, someone else having a very difficult time several thousand miles away from where I'm reading about it.) Norman Baugher wrote: On second thought, why would anyone tramp out in the frozen tundra when most of this can be done in Photoshop? Norm Norman Baugher wrote: Way coolthanks for sharing the link. Norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. Dave -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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WOW! Some of these are just super Shel > http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html
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> On second thought, why would anyone tramp out in the frozen tundra when > most of this can be done in Photoshop? > Norm Cause thats all we got is frozen tundra.LOL Dave
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On second thought, why would anyone tramp out in the frozen tundra when most of this can be done in Photoshop? Norm Norman Baugher wrote: Way coolthanks for sharing the link. Norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. Dave
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Way coolthanks for sharing the link. Norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. Dave
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Amazingly awesome shots, really! Thanks for the link. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. december 2004 10:04 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Some really neat northern lights photos http://www.iww.is/art/shs/pages/thumbs.html My sister just sent me this link.Photos are stunning,so i thought i'd share. Dave
