Re: A good camera

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 6, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> On 3/4/2011 1:50 AM, Bob W wrote:
>> This chap must have one:
>> 
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>> B
> 
> Thanks, Bob. That made my day today.
> 
> It is interesting to notice that throughout the narrative he mentions that he 
> shoots a lot and brings back enormous amount of images. It is, as he 
> explains, because he's very picky about his images. Seems somewhat connected 
> to the last few threads Larry has started regarding his photography.

If you go to this collection:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157625015584626/

And bear in mind that I've been shooting 24 exposure rolls in the Argus, you 
can see that I am capable of photographing at a more judicious frame rate, and 
still getting decent shots.  The sets labeled "snapshots" are each a roll of 
film and I got between 5 and 20 decent ones out each roll.  At the end of the 
week I  got about 43 keepers out of about 200 frames.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624809385751/

The Rollei sets don't really count because they were pretty much all 
experimenting with the camera.  

One thing that racks up my shutter count is that I'm not looking for good 
photos, I'm looking to get the very best photo that I can. So, I'll keep 
shooting until I get it right.

Another thing that racks up my frame count is that when I'm taking photos of 
people, it's really tough to get a good expression on their face, especially if 
they aren't professional models.  I could stop and chimp after each and every 
frame, but that would take longer, and would interrupt the flow a lot more than 
just taking several frames in the time it would take me to chimp one.  Action 
shots are a similar situation, because it's hard to capture the right instant.  
That is one reason pros used to use motordrives, and cameras marketed towards 
sports photographers have high frame rates.  When you consider that a lot of my 
photography is action shots, in light where I have to push the camera to ISO 
3200-6400, shooting wide open, sometimes as slow as 1/6 second, and it is dark 
enough that auto focus doesn't work, I need to take a lot of frames just to get 
one that is clear, multiply that by needing to take a lot of frames to catch 
the right moment, and the frame rates mount up.

I don't think of myself as a professional photographer.  I think of myself as a 
hobbyest that aspires to professional quality work, and occasionally a 
professional quality paycheck.  I'm curious about the keeper ratio that the 
real pros on this list get when they are on assignment.  When Doug, or John are 
at the racetrack, is it "one shot one keeper", "spray and pray" or something in 
between? Likewise when taking pictures of people, do the pros keep one shot in 
five or one in twenty five?  And is it different between professional and 
amateur models?

Many years ago I used to play with a medieval recreation group called the SCA. 
One of the things that I'd do is put on armor, and spar with rattan 
broadswords.  I learned that I could make up for a lot of skill with 
aggression, if I threw a lot of shots, they were too busy blocking to swing 
back at me. In photography, I think I do the same thing, I make up for my lack 
of skill by taking a lot of shots.  I keep trying different things until I get 
the shot right. Maybe someday, I'll be able to walk up, see the perfect 
composition, and my camera will have perfect autofocus and perfect metering, 
and I'll be able to nail the shot on the first try. But these days it's more a 
case of my seeing something interesting, setting the exposure, taking a test 
shot, checking the histograms and blinkies, resetting the exposure, taking 
another test shot, checking the composition, correcting the composition, 
correcting the exposure again because the new angle changed the exposure 
requirements, and realizing that I should bracket in case I ever care enough 
about the shot to use HDR to bring out all of the detail in both the sun and 
the shade, lather rinse repeat.

Then, invariably, on the next shot, I take about 10 frames trying to nail the 
exposure, with it inexplicably changing on me every frame, before I realize 
that I had left bracketing turned on.  If I were a good photographer, I 
wouldn't do that.

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Re: A good camera

[Boris Liberman]

On 3/4/2011 1:50 AM, Bob W wrote:

This chap must have one:


B


Thanks, Bob. That made my day today.

It is interesting to notice that throughout the narrative he mentions 
that he shoots a lot and brings back enormous amount of images. It is, 
as he explains, because he's very picky about his images. Seems somewhat 
connected to the last few threads Larry has started regarding his 
photography.


Boris


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Re: A good camera

[eckinator]

2011/3/4 Bob W :
> This chap must have one:
> 

Either that or one that takes nice pictures =)
Awesome gallery, thanks for sharing
Ecke

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Re: A good camera

[Chris Mitchell]

Stunning stuff. I missed the Human Planet series - will watch out for repeats...

Chris

On 3 March 2011 23:50, Bob W  wrote:
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Re: A good camera

[Paul Stenquist]

Fascinating. Thanks for posting.
Paul

On Mar 4, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> m, thanks -T
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Re: A good camera

[Tim Bray]

m, thanks -T

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Re: A good camera

[Madame RD]

Le 04/03/11 09:20, Cotty a écrit :

On 3/3/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

   

This chap must have one:

 

My son sent me that link last night - well worth a watch (gear
notwithstanding)

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and what about his  blog ?  stunning photos there too ..   
http://timothyallen.blogs.bbcearth.com/


dominique

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Re: A good camera

[Cotty]

On 3/3/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This chap must have one:
>

My son sent me that link last night - well worth a watch (gear
notwithstanding)

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Re: A good camera

[mike wilson]

On 04/03/2011 00:50, Bob W wrote:

This chap must have one:


B



I like his last few sentences.

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Re: A good camera

[Christine Aguila]

That has to be some of the best photography I've seen.  Stunning.  Thanks 
for posting, Bob!!!  Cheers, Christine



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RE: A good camera

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"


This chap must have one:




It's only as good as the photographer's "eye".


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RE: A good camera

[Jeffery Johnson]

I agree with John this is indeed good stuff and a must watch...

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Excellent stuff - thanks for the link Bob.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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This chap must have one:
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12618167>

B


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RE: A good camera

[John Coyle]

Excellent stuff - thanks for the link Bob.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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