Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
Interesting. Before I went digital I had switched to the T-Max films for the most part after about thirty years of shooting mainly Tri-X. I was very happy with the T-Max 100 in either T-Max developer or D-76, and liked the 400 when it was rated at 200 and souped in something gentle like D-76 1:1. I still have some T-Max (and some outdated but well stored Plus-X) in the freezer. One of these days... Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is Tri-X no longer King of the Hill? Do digi shooters care? http://www.lookingglassphoto.com/funwfilm.html Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
Yep, quite interesting. I've never had good results with any TMax emulsion other than TMZ, no matter what developer used. Tmax Dev produced the best results, but Acros proved far superior than TMax 100, and I still get better (although grainier) results from Tri-X. -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Before I went digital I had switched to the T-Max films for the most part after about thirty years of shooting mainly Tri-X. I was very happy with the T-Max 100 in either T-Max developer or D-76, and liked the 400 when it was rated at 200 and souped in something gentle like D-76 1:1. I still have some T-Max (and some outdated but well stored Plus-X) in the freezer. One of these days... Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is Tri-X no longer King of the Hill? Do digi shooters care? http://www.lookingglassphoto.com/funwfilm.html Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Before I went digital I had switched to the T-Max films for the most part after about thirty years of shooting mainly Tri-X. I was very happy with the T-Max 100 in either T-Max developer or D-76, and liked the 400 when it was rated at 200 and souped in something gentle like D-76 1:1. I still have some T-Max (and some outdated but well stored Plus-X) in the freezer. One of these days... You may have written about this in the past but I can't remember: what did you use to do for higher ISO BW? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
I used Delta 3200 for the most part, generally in 6x7 format. I rated it at 1600 but developed it for 3200. I found the negs were too thin when processed according to Ilford's recommendation for 1600. I used both T-Max developer and D-76. The results were vewry similar. I found T-Max 3200 to be quite a bit grainier or at least harsher. Paul -- Original message -- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Before I went digital I had switched to the T-Max films for the most part after about thirty years of shooting mainly Tri-X. I was very happy with the T-Max 100 in either T-Max developer or D-76, and liked the 400 when it was rated at 200 and souped in something gentle like D-76 1:1. I still have some T-Max (and some outdated but well stored Plus-X) in the freezer. One of these days... You may have written about this in the past but I can't remember: what did you use to do for higher ISO BW? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 5:28 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Is Tri-X no longer King of the Hill? Do digi shooters care? http://www.lookingglassphoto.com/funwfilm.html My Tri-X vs TMax 400 testing was done between 2000 and 2002. I had already standardized on XTOL developer and found that TMax 400 was preferable, rated at 320, 400, 640, 800 and 1600. It presented tighter, more consistent grain structure and better tonal differentiation with higher acutance. It took me about 20 rolls of processing to figure out how to develop TMax correctly though. I found that unlike Delta 400, APX 400, and Tri-X, TMax films *require* much greater agitation throughout the development process in the same developer using the same reference standards for density and gamma as all the others. I suspect this is so because Kodak formulated it for machine processing with continuous agitation. Once I figured this out, my TMax work proved that these are films of exceptional quality. TMax 100, rated at EI 200 and processed in XTOL 1:1, proves to have acutance and tonality remarkably similar to APX 25 (@EI 50 in XTOL 1:1) with only a modest increase in grain. TMax 400 holds grain and actuance from EI800-1600 *much* better than Tri-X (and lightyears better than APX 400!). I started to work with Acros and Neopan right around the beginning of 2002, but then I bought my first quality digital camera and decided that I had had enough of experimenting and just shot what I knew worked well for me in film. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Delta 3200 for the most part, generally in 6x7 format. I rated it at 1600 but developed it for 3200. I found the negs were too thin when processed according to Ilford's recommendation for 1600. I used both T-Max developer and D-76. The results were vewry similar. Switch over to DD-X and you'll be much happier with the negs at 3200. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Is Tri-X no longer King of the Hill? Do digi shooters care? http://www.lookingglassphoto.com/funwfilm.html From the article: Is it just too cynical to think they’ve found a cheaper way to manufacture these films? Whatever changes they’ve made to Tri-X and Plus-X have not been beneficial to the working photographer. Yes, they did find a cheaper way to make them -- they abandoned Plus-X and Tri-X's original film bases and now make them on TMax's base. A sign that they were not at all the same films: Kodak gave us a big pack of sample rolls, not to give out, but to re-calibrate our processing. The six months I spent trying to differentiate new and old Tri-X to make sure I processed it all properly were not exactly all fun. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
Thanks Aaron. Perhaps I'll give that a try. Shooting high-speed BW film was one of my favorite ways to use medium format. Handheld heaven. Paul -- Original message -- From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Delta 3200 for the most part, generally in 6x7 format. I rated it at 1600 but developed it for 3200. I found the negs were too thin when processed according to Ilford's recommendation for 1600. I used both T-Max developer and D-76. The results were vewry similar. Switch over to DD-X and you'll be much happier with the negs at 3200. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Aaron. Perhaps I'll give that a try. Shooting high-speed BW film was one of my favorite ways to use medium format. Handheld heaven. Absolutely! I have a very large stock of 120 Delta 3200 here in the freezer. I used it in either DD-X or Agfa Studional -- Studional gave a little slower result but was very smooth. Studional, however, requires constant and even agitation. I used it in a Jobo, which is the kind of thing it was designed for. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
