Re: D600 vs K-5
On 27/12/2012 10:09 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 12/27/2012 3:37 AM, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:33:35PM -0600, William Robb wrote: On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote: I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN systems. Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. Are you sure? I thought I remembered 100/21. which would mean 400/27. WikIpedia can be a blessing as well as a curse, it appears that you are correct. TRI-X would be ISO 27°. Missed by 3 keys. 27° is, of course, the right answer. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On 12/27/2012 3:37 AM, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:33:35PM -0600, William Robb wrote: On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote: I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN systems. Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. Are you sure? I thought I remembered 100/21. which would mean 400/27. WikIpedia can be a blessing as well as a curse, it appears that you are correct. TRI-X would be ISO 27°. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
From: John Francis I remember film ... with ratings in both the ASA and DIN systems. I don't have to remember it. All I have to do is dig it out of the back of my refrigerator. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:33:35PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote: > > > > > > >I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN > >systems. > > > > > Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. Are you sure? I thought I remembered 100/21. which would mean 400/27. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
Oh, at Photokina, the D600 AF appeared worse than that in the K-5 II (but still better than that in my K-5), because the D600 had a small but noticeable delay in starting focusing once you pressed the button. After that, the D600 focusing was yet snappy and with no further adjustments (typical of Pentax AF). Perhaps those trashing the D600 AF base their opinions on pre-production samples of that camera. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:17 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: D600 vs K-5 In a couple occasions I had to compare D600 and K-5 (one was outdoor in late afternoon of a grey day and the other time was an evening indoors in a restaurant) the D600 autofocusing was noticeably better than the K-5. The K-5 was hunting and correcting a lot, while the D600 snapped into perfect focus with no second thought. I also think it depends on the lens in use, but all in all I would swap AF systems in a split second. At Photokina, I had the feeling the K-5 II has improved a lot over the K-5, but again it depends on the lens. The 17-70mm gained a lot of speed and effectiveness, while the 50-135mm (aka the sloth) did not improve so much, and so did (not) the 12-24mm. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.2805 / Database dei virus: 2637/5988 - Data di rilascio: 26/12/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
In a couple occasions I had to compare D600 and K-5 (one was outdoor in late afternoon of a grey day and the other time was an evening indoors in a restaurant) the D600 autofocusing was noticeably better than the K-5. The K-5 was hunting and correcting a lot, while the D600 snapped into perfect focus with no second thought. I also think it depends on the lens in use, but all in all I would swap AF systems in a split second. At Photokina, I had the feeling the K-5 II has improved a lot over the K-5, but again it depends on the lens. The 17-70mm gained a lot of speed and effectiveness, while the 50-135mm (aka the sloth) did not improve so much, and so did (not) the 12-24mm. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:29 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 26/12/2012 9:50 AM, Michael Adam Maas wrote: >> > >> That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to >> be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted >> wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light) >> > Having used the D7K briefly, I am quite certain that the K5 AF is somewhat > slower in good light with AF-S, and there is no contest in AF-C. > Where the K5 falls down is in low artificial light, especially tungsten > illumination. It is entirely possible that they have made some hardware > changes since the camera's introduction (I have a very early K5), but in the > studio, the AF on my K5 is worse than useless. It randomly front focuses by > varying amounts, so there is no possibility of doing an AF bias to bring the > focus into reliable adjustment. I wonder if your K5 is related to my AF540, in that you have consistent strange problems that just aren't indicative of my experience. The vast majority of my mis-focus issues with the K5 are simply cases of it focusing on the wrong thing. Even in dim tungsten light. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On 12/26/2012 3:33 PM, William Robb wrote: On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote: I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN systems. Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. My mentor made a point of ensuring I was able to use both the American system and the German system. The specification for ISO is basically ASA/DIN but everyone seems to forget the DIN part. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: D600 vs K-5
It's fixed on K-5 II. I have no issues at all in tungsten light with this camera. -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb >I'm waiting for reports on the K5IIs to see if they have fixed this particular >AF problem, and of course, to see what they have coming down the pike. If >there is no new and >wonderful announcement in the next 6 months or so, and if >the K5IIs appears to be panning out, I will probably pick one up sometime next >year. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote: I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN systems. Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. My mentor made a point of ensuring I was able to use both the American system and the German system. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On 26/12/2012 9:50 AM, Michael Adam Maas wrote: That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light) Having used the D7K briefly, I am quite certain that the K5 AF is somewhat slower in good light with AF-S, and there is no contest in AF-C. Where the K5 falls down is in low artificial light, especially tungsten illumination. It is entirely possible that they have made some hardware changes since the camera's introduction (I have a very early K5), but in the studio, the AF on my K5 is worse than useless. It randomly front focuses by varying amounts, so there is no possibility of doing an AF bias to bring the focus into reliable adjustment. I'm waiting for reports on the K5IIs to see if they have fixed this particular AF problem, and of course, to see what they have coming down the pike. If there is no new and wonderful announcement in the next 6 months or so, and if the K5IIs appears to be panning out, I will probably pick one up sometime next year. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:34:17AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > > As an aside, one thing that annoys me every time that I actually think about > it is my tendency to use "ISO" rather than "sensitivity". It is odd, > however, that the standards organization is mentioned at all on film speed. > I suspect that at one time, there were several competing standards used for > film speed, and it was the ASA's standard that one, so that was the only one > people born after 1960 have ever seen, at least until the standard was > adopted by ISO. > > And a quick check of wikipedia confirms my hypothesis: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_speed I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On Dec 26, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Tom C wrote: >> From: Michael Adam Maas >> >> That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to >> be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted >> wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light) >> >> -- >> M. Adam Maas > > dpreview.com writes this: > > Another area in which the D600 lags behind the D800 is its AF > sensitivity in poor light. The D800 is rated for accurate focus in > light as low as EV-2, which is approximately equivalent to moonlight. > In use, we've found this to be true. The D600 is rated down to EV-1, > and in normal use, with a 50mm F1.4 prime mounted, we've found that > indeed, the D800 is the better tool in low light. But when shooting > low-contrast targets at EV levels between 0-1, the difference between > the two cameras is only noticeable at the point where we could barely > perceive our subject in their viewfinders. The Canon EOS 6D has an AF > system rated down to -3EV, and we will perform more in-depth > comparisons between this and the D600 when the 6D becomes available. > > In good light, the D600's AF system proved very capable in all of the > environments in which we used it. In the hundreds of frames that we've > shot with the camera, including images taken at night and in very poor > interior lighting, only a handful are anything other than totally > sharp. As usual, if you're working in marginal light the central AF > point is your best bet, but in normal everyday shooting, the D600's AF > system is very capable. > > I write: > > Not having a D600 or K-5 I have no idea how they compare in this > regard. I've generally find all cameras to have a harder time with AF > in low-light as opposed to normal or bright light, as everyone knows > (same goes for my eyes). To my recollection there hasn't been any > mention in this comparison regarding lenses used (prime or zoom, > aperture, etc.), central AF point vs. other vs. auto, single frame vs. > continuous shooting, or really whether both photographers were > simultaneously aiming at the same scene in the viewfinder. The lenses were the FA 31/1.8 and Nikkor 35/2.0. ISO 12,800, f/2.0, 1/30 S. I was aiming at the same thing with both cameras. Focusing with live view was also noticeably, though not hugely, better with Live View on the Pentax. His G5, however, was by far the best for focusing in crazy low light. > I often > experience focus issues when I'm straddling the line of closest focus > distance. All these items could have an impact. > > We tend to expect a lot out of our cameras nowadays, don't we? Twenty > years ago it was try your best to focus in a dark viewfinder and check > the distance scale. A couple days ago, when we had a spot of rain (5.1 inches that day) I was photographing the river in my back yard, (much better than my back yard being in the river) and briefly noted how casually I use ISOs in the triple digits, after noting that to use that shutter speed and aperture, I *only* needed an ISO of 1200. I was briefly boggled at just what the modern sensors can do, with sensitivities an order of magnitude greater than what I grew up with, much less the two orders of magnitude we were using playing in the dark. As an aside, one thing that annoys me every time that I actually think about it is my tendency to use "ISO" rather than "sensitivity". It is odd, however, that the standards organization is mentioned at all on film speed. I suspect that at one time, there were several competing standards used for film speed, and it was the ASA's standard that one, so that was the only one people born after 1960 have ever seen, at least until the standard was adopted by ISO. And a quick check of wikipedia confirms my hypothesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_speed -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
> From: Michael Adam Maas > > That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to > be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted > wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light) > > -- > M. Adam Maas dpreview.com writes this: Another area in which the D600 lags behind the D800 is its AF sensitivity in poor light. The D800 is rated for accurate focus in light as low as EV-2, which is approximately equivalent to moonlight. In use, we've found this to be true. The D600 is rated down to EV-1, and in normal use, with a 50mm F1.4 prime mounted, we've found that indeed, the D800 is the better tool in low light. But when shooting low-contrast targets at EV levels between 0-1, the difference between the two cameras is only noticeable at the point where we could barely perceive our subject in their viewfinders. The Canon EOS 6D has an AF system rated down to -3EV, and we will perform more in-depth comparisons between this and the D600 when the 6D becomes available. In good light, the D600's AF system proved very capable in all of the environments in which we used it. In the hundreds of frames that we've shot with the camera, including images taken at night and in very poor interior lighting, only a handful are anything other than totally sharp. As usual, if you're working in marginal light the central AF point is your best bet, but in normal everyday shooting, the D600's AF system is very capable. I write: Not having a D600 or K-5 I have no idea how they compare in this regard. I've generally find all cameras to have a harder time with AF in low-light as opposed to normal or bright light, as everyone knows (same goes for my eyes). To my recollection there hasn't been any mention in this comparison regarding lenses used (prime or zoom, aperture, etc.), central AF point vs. other vs. auto, single frame vs. continuous shooting, or really whether both photographers were simultaneously aiming at the same scene in the viewfinder. I often experience focus issues when I'm straddling the line of closest focus distance. All these items could have an impact. We tend to expect a lot out of our cameras nowadays, don't we? Twenty years ago it was try your best to focus in a dark viewfinder and check the distance scale. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
I have seen that vendor, and its sub-$700 price tag is a far sweeter siren call than the improved auto-focus. Like you, most of my favorite glass is manual focus. I'm definitely leaning more toward the K-5, having grown accustomed to the more pro-sumer features on the K20. (This is where a presence in brick-and-mortar outlets would help in the decision-making process, BTW. A lot of what I love about the K20 is tactile.) -- Walt On 12/26/2012 10:51 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I w0uldn't hope to make an accurate prediction, but there seem to plenty available as yet and one vendor is already selling it for less than $700. (the after Christmas sales aren't even in full swing.) I have a target price in mind when it gets within an acceptable range of that price I'll be making a decision. The improved autofocus on K-5II is a siren call, but then I realize 4 of my 7 most used lenses are manual focus... On 12/26/2012 11:00 AM, Walt wrote: So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to expect the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30. I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just wonder how much longer I should (or can) hold out. I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten here so far, so I figured it's a good place to ask. -- Walt On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus. It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low light focus. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
I w0uldn't hope to make an accurate prediction, but there seem to plenty available as yet and one vendor is already selling it for less than $700. (the after Christmas sales aren't even in full swing.) I have a target price in mind when it gets within an acceptable range of that price I'll be making a decision. The improved autofocus on K-5II is a siren call, but then I realize 4 of my 7 most used lenses are manual focus... On 12/26/2012 11:00 AM, Walt wrote: So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to expect the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30. I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just wonder how much longer I should (or can) hold out. I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten here so far, so I figured it's a good place to ask. -- Walt On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus. It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low light focus. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
Don't have a K-30 and have never seen/used one, but I love the K-5 and the K-5IIs seems just a bit better. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Walt wrote: > So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to expect > the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30. > > I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just wonder how > much longer I should (or can) hold out. > > I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten here so > far, so I figured it's a good place to ask. > > -- Walt > > > > On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. I >> didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes >> doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the >> D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit >> of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus. >> >> It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about >> autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering this was the >> K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be >> really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low >> light focus. >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to expect the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30. I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just wonder how much longer I should (or can) hold out. I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten here so far, so I figured it's a good place to ask. -- Walt On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus. It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low light focus. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. I >> didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes >> doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the >> D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit >> of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus. > > One of the 'Cons' from a few on line reviews was the AF capabilities > of the D600. > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light) -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. I > didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing > some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600. It > was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and > seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus. One of the 'Cons' from a few on line reviews was the AF capabilities of the D600. Dave > > It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about > autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering this was the > K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be > really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low > light focus. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: D600 vs K-5
I SO agree with you about that chip onth shoulder, Larry. I had the same experience in 2009 with the K-7 vs. various Canon cameras, including the then very new 7D, and 1Ds Mk III. On that infamous trip to Antarctica we had a few calm evenings on the rear deck of the boat, photographing seabirds in flight. The K-7 would lock focus for a long time after the last cursing Canonite had retired to the lounge, complaining about their cameras' limitations in low light. This spring I had an interesting experience photographing base jumpers at Kjerag with the 645D, in company of a crowd of Canon and Nikon users. The shaft-driven AF of 645D was every bit as able to single out the jumpers from the background, it seemed. The comparison is not really head to head, though, because the low frame rate of the 645D demands a different shooting style. :-) But in sum, I think Pentaxians have far less to be ashamed of than we usually express in forums. Jostein Larry Colen wrote: >Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600. >I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few >minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely >outperformed the D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock >focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't >able to lock focus. > >It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder >about autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering >this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much >better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up >against the D600 in low light focus. > >-- >Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
