Re: Layers in Photoshop
My response, I boycott Amazon.com they sell your personal information. I would have looked the book up at Barnes and Noble but since I was in a conversation with someone who had to book at their fingertips I thought I'd just ask. At 05:26 PM 1/13/2003 +, you wrote: Actually, what I was hinting at in an earlier post was that, if he looked up the book by title or author at www.amazon.com, the ISBN number is there. Amazon.com is a great source of ISBN numbers. So, rather than ask, the information is available for a trivial amount of effort. Len --- From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:50:04 -0500 Thanks. At 08:12 AM 1/11/2003 +, you wrote: Peter Alling wrote (In regard to the book "Photoshop 6 Artistry"): > > Do you have an ISBN number on that? > Hi Peter, The number on the book reads ISBN 0-7357-1037-6 Paul Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Actually, what I was hinting at in an earlier post was that, if he looked up the book by title or author at www.amazon.com, the ISBN number is there. Amazon.com is a great source of ISBN numbers. So, rather than ask, the information is available for a trivial amount of effort. Len --- From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:50:04 -0500 Thanks. At 08:12 AM 1/11/2003 +, you wrote: Peter Alling wrote (In regard to the book "Photoshop 6 Artistry"): > > Do you have an ISBN number on that? > Hi Peter, The number on the book reads ISBN 0-7357-1037-6 Paul Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Why an ISBN number? A simple search at Amazon.com will do it for you. Unless you just want to check it out at the library. Books like that aren't really helpful unless you keep a copy close at hand. Len --- From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:31:13 -0500 Do you have an ISBN number on that? _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Yes, it worked just fine, and it also let me upgrade 7.0 t0 7.01 online. My info says that was a legitimate upgrade. That's why I tried it. Perhaps it was a one time offer and I lucked into it. Len --- That is strange, I just looked at the Adobe website, and it is explicitly stated the upgrades are not for Photoshop LE, deluxe or elements. Did it work for you from LE? Frits _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Thanks. At 08:12 AM 1/11/2003 +, you wrote: Peter Alling wrote (In regard to the book "Photoshop 6 Artistry"): > > Do you have an ISBN number on that? > Hi Peter, The number on the book reads ISBN 0-7357-1037-6 Paul Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Peter Alling wrote (In regard to the book "Photoshop 6 Artistry"): > > Do you have an ISBN number on that? > Hi Peter, The number on the book reads ISBN 0-7357-1037-6 Paul
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Do you have an ISBN number on that? At 05:31 PM 1/10/2003 +, Paul Stenquist wrote: Mike Johnston wrote: > > > Vic > > I agree with Vic on this. I've never taken a course on Photoshop, never read > the manual (I've tried; I just can't seem to pay attention). But I find that > if I explore, I begin to see what does what, and as that knowledge accrues I > can figure out ways to do what I need to do. I'm sure I'd get a lot out of a > course. But most of the basic controls are self-evident, and a lot of the > effects can just be tried to be understood. > I agree as well. PhotoShop is an invaluable tool, and it helps make digital darkroom work a lot of fun. Some of the tutorial books are geared more toward compositing than photo manipulation. Others are more photo oriented. The best one I've found is called "PhotoShop 6 Artistry, Mastering the Digital Image." It was written by Barry Haynes and Wendy Crupler and comes with a CD full of examples and tutorial elements. Barry is a photographer, and it shows. The book comes highly recommended by a number of photographers and photography teachers. It isn't cheap. I think I paid $60, but it's worth every penny. I'm sure there's a PhotoShop 7 version now, but most of the techniques are common to all the late model PhotoShop editions. Paul Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Mike Johnston wrote: > > > Vic > > I agree with Vic on this. I've never taken a course on Photoshop, never read > the manual (I've tried; I just can't seem to pay attention). But I find that > if I explore, I begin to see what does what, and as that knowledge accrues I > can figure out ways to do what I need to do. I'm sure I'd get a lot out of a > course. But most of the basic controls are self-evident, and a lot of the > effects can just be tried to be understood. > I agree as well. PhotoShop is an invaluable tool, and it helps make digital darkroom work a lot of fun. Some of the tutorial books are geared more toward compositing than photo manipulation. Others are more photo oriented. The best one I've found is called "PhotoShop 6 Artistry, Mastering the Digital Image." It was written by Barry Haynes and Wendy Crupler and comes with a CD full of examples and tutorial elements. Barry is a photographer, and it shows. The book comes highly recommended by a number of photographers and photography teachers. It isn't cheap. I think I paid $60, but it's worth every penny. I'm sure there's a PhotoShop 7 version now, but most of the techniques are common to all the late model PhotoShop editions. Paul
Re: Layers in Photoshop
That is strange, I just looked at the Adobe website, and it is explicitly stated the upgrades are not for Photoshop LE, deluxe or elements. Did it work for you from LE? Frits On Thursday 09 January 2003 13:34, Leonard Paris wrote: > Here's a somehow little known fact about PhotoShop 7. Chances are, if > you've bought a computer or printer within recent history, you have a free > copy of PhotoShop 5 LE. If you install it, and then register it online > with Adobe, you'll be in a valid upgrade path to Photoshop 7 for as little > as $129.00, if you look around online. Mine came from Amazon.com for that > price. So, there's no real reason to spend $600 for PhotoShop 7. > > Len > --- > > From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop > >Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:10:57 -0800 > > > >Butch Black wrote: > > > Hi Don; > > > > > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one > > > on layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 > > > ea)you > > > >can > > > > > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > > > > > BUTCH > > > >You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going > >to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably > >priced?" > > > >NFW! > > > >But...thanks for the offer! > > > >keith whaley > > _ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Layers in Photoshop
I tend to agree. I moved to to Photoshop late last year after using PD and PE for a few years. The added horsepower has me to reduces my overall costs and generally improve the overall quality of the photos I use in my work. I've found the learning exercise to be interesting and helpful in other applications that I become involved with from time to time. Otis Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't agree. Photoshop is as complicated or uncomplicated as you make it. > There are many features that you may not use and may never use but once you > start exploring there is no limit to the creativity it offers. I regularly > read through my manual, not because I have to but because I want to pick up > more information. I went to the library yesterday and picked up a number of > books on photoshop that are likely easier to understand than the manual and > full of creative ideas. I do have photodeluxe on my computer as well and use > it once in a while for simple things but it often gets in the way even when > using it in the advanced mode. > If you have photoshop, it is certainly worth learning... I consider it my > best photographic tool. > Vic > In a message dated 1/10/03 11:21:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >I snipped a bit from Keith's post but I sure agree with his sentiments. > > > >Even Photoshop LE is sufficiently more complex and more of a RAM hog than > >what I use now which is Photo Deluxe 4.0 - which it seems is just a paired > >down more > >user friendly version that appear to follow the same rules as the full > >blown > >versions. Ive been > >able to just tinker with it for the most part to get it to work for me. > > I've never > >been good at reading tech manuals and, heaven forfend, any type of Video > >Professor > >or audio tape would drive me nuts. I've been able to learn stuff about > >it from the > >discussions here about Photoshop, too. Photodeluxe 4.0 and Photoshop LE > >were > >included with my Epson 1640 SU Photo scanner - That is, free. the best > >of all > >possible reason for using it :) > > > >annsan the thrifty > >
Re: Layers in Photoshop
I don't agree. Photoshop is as complicated or uncomplicated as you make it. There are many features that you may not use and may never use but once you start exploring there is no limit to the creativity it offers. I regularly read through my manual, not because I have to but because I want to pick up more information. I went to the library yesterday and picked up a number of books on photoshop that are likely easier to understand than the manual and full of creative ideas. I do have photodeluxe on my computer as well and use it once in a while for simple things but it often gets in the way even when using it in the advanced mode. If you have photoshop, it is certainly worth learning... I consider it my best photographic tool. Vic In a message dated 1/10/03 11:21:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I snipped a bit from Keith's post but I sure agree with his sentiments. > >Even Photoshop LE is sufficiently more complex and more of a RAM hog than >what I use now which is Photo Deluxe 4.0 - which it seems is just a paired >down more >user friendly version that appear to follow the same rules as the full >blown >versions. Ive been >able to just tinker with it for the most part to get it to work for me. > I've never >been good at reading tech manuals and, heaven forfend, any type of Video >Professor >or audio tape would drive me nuts. I've been able to learn stuff about >it from the >discussions here about Photoshop, too. Photodeluxe 4.0 and Photoshop LE >were >included with my Epson 1640 SU Photo scanner - That is, free. the best >of all >possible reason for using it :) > >annsan the thrifty >
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Keith Whaley wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > > The PhotoShop tutorials are quite adequate. You just have to see them > > through from start to finish. > > Paul > > All facetiousness aside, I do believe you. > My single objection to PhotoShop is it's massiveness & complexity, > similar to latest versions of Microsoft Word (or Office, if that > pertains...) > In a word ~ "Bloated!" So very much more than almost any normal person > would or could ever use! I snipped a bit from Keith's post but I sure agree with his sentiments. Even Photoshop LE is sufficiently more complex and more of a RAM hog than what I use now which is Photo Deluxe 4.0 - which it seems is just a paired down more user friendly version that appear to follow the same rules as the full blown versions. Ive been able to just tinker with it for the most part to get it to work for me. I've never been good at reading tech manuals and, heaven forfend, any type of Video Professor or audio tape would drive me nuts. I've been able to learn stuff about it from the discussions here about Photoshop, too. Photodeluxe 4.0 and Photoshop LE were included with my Epson 1640 SU Photo scanner - That is, free. the best of all possible reason for using it :) annsan the thrifty
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Educational copies of the full blown Photoshop 7.0 are available from most larger college bookstores for under $200. I got my Educational copy of PS5.0 right after it came out for around $135. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Leonard Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop > Here's a somehow little known fact about PhotoShop 7. Chances are, if you've > bought a computer or printer within recent history, you have a free copy of > PhotoShop 5 LE. If you install it, and then register it online with Adobe, > you'll be in a valid upgrade path to Photoshop 7 for as little as $129.00, > if you look around online. Mine came from Amazon.com for that price. So, > there's no real reason to spend $600 for PhotoShop 7. > > Len > --- > > >From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop > >Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:10:57 -0800 > > > > > > > >Butch Black wrote: > > > > > > Hi Don; > > > > > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > > > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you > >can > > > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > > > > > BUTCH > > > >You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going > >to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably > >priced?" > > > >NFW! > > > >But...thanks for the offer! > > > >keith whaley > > > _ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Got remember that Photoshop was initially a graphic arts tool that could be used to manipulate digital photo images among other things. Point being it was not aimed at the photographer. Until recently, in my area, all Photoshop courses were targeting the graphic artist not the photographer. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > > The PhotoShop tutorials are quite adequate. You just have to see them > > through from start to finish. > > Paul > > All facetiousness aside, I do believe you. > My single objection to PhotoShop is it's massiveness & complexity, > similar to latest versions of Microsoft Word (or Office, if that > pertains...) > In a word ~ "Bloated!" So very much more than almost any normal person > would or could ever use! Yet, we, each and everyone of us, have to put > up with every bit of the overhead, if we want to or are obligated to > use this program in the course of our businesses. > I do not dispute the capability of PhotoShop. That it's a wonderful > application is without doubt. > The very fact that anyone finds a need for such an organization as the > NAPP is sufficient indication of it's complexity. > I don't want to have to finish pre-med at WRU to be able to do > splinter removals and capable first aid! > > It is just WAY too much for most of us, that's all. > > keith > > > Keith Whaley wrote: > > > > > > Butch Black wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Don; > > > > > > > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > > > > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can > > > > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > > > > > > > BUTCH > > > > > > You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going > > > to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably priced?" > > > > > > NFW! > > > > > > But...thanks for the offer! > > > > > > keith whaley > >
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Paul Stenquist wrote: > > The PhotoShop tutorials are quite adequate. You just have to see them > through from start to finish. > Paul All facetiousness aside, I do believe you. My single objection to PhotoShop is it's massiveness & complexity, similar to latest versions of Microsoft Word (or Office, if that pertains...) In a word ~ "Bloated!" So very much more than almost any normal person would or could ever use! Yet, we, each and everyone of us, have to put up with every bit of the overhead, if we want to or are obligated to use this program in the course of our businesses. I do not dispute the capability of PhotoShop. That it's a wonderful application is without doubt. The very fact that anyone finds a need for such an organization as the NAPP is sufficient indication of it's complexity. I don't want to have to finish pre-med at WRU to be able to do splinter removals and capable first aid! It is just WAY too much for most of us, that's all. keith > Keith Whaley wrote: > > > > Butch Black wrote: > > > > > > Hi Don; > > > > > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > > > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can > > > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > > > > > BUTCH > > > > You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going > > to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably priced?" > > > > NFW! > > > > But...thanks for the offer! > > > > keith whaley
Re: Layers in Photoshop
It's much easier in PhotoShop. No cutting, copying, or pasting. You can get complete instructions in the PhotoShop tutorial. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Don, > > Did anyone ever answer your question? Not aware that they did. > > Well, I don't know PhotoShop at all. But I do know PaintShop Pro (one of the >marvels, btw, of the computer age -- sure, there are higher ends painting programs >but it does everything I need a computer drawing/painting program to do), and they >can't be too different when it comes to using layers. > > 1. Layers are very complicated, but one of the best ways to work when doing computer >drawing/painting. So there is a high learning curve for doing anything extensive with >layers. For instance, because drawing/painting is very complicated in real life >(think of all that hand eye coordination and of the different mediums one can use -- >pencils, charcoal, paint, and think of all the different styles one can have), >PaintShop Pro is a complicated program because it has to be to cover all the options >of drawing/painting. So it has the highest learning curve of any program I have ever >used (and I am still learning). > > 2. For what you want though, the basics of layers should be fairly easy. > > 3. So I will tell you how I would do it in PaintShop Pro. > > a.) Make two images the same size and the same alignment in each window. > b.) Click on one image and "promote it to a layer". There should be a layer menu >selection somewhere on one of the tool bars that has this option or something similar. > c.) Copy the whole image. Copy/cut/paste should be on the edit menu on a tool bar. > d.) Paste on the other image. You now have two layers with two images, one >superimposed on top of the other. But only the top image will show because they are >both opaque. > e.) In the layer menu selection should be a way to switch between the two layers >(usually it will show a list of layers, click on one layer in the list or the other). > f.) Switching between the two, set the opacity for both images to 50% (layer menu). >Now you have an image combined of both layers. > g.) If you want an offset between the images, move around the top image/layer. >Otherwise don't touch it. Because after you copied and pasted it, it was probably >aligned correctly. > h.) Merge the layers (again, layer menu). > > The top layer is considered to be "floating" until the layers are merged which is >why it can be moved around. > > All done. > > Now that's the way it works in PaintShop Pro, but PhotoShop can't be that different. >Or maybe it is, I really don't know. > > HTH, Doe aka Marnie
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Thanks. I'll try this right away. I have already had a go with PSP 7.0 but must have made some mistakes along the way - after promoting to a layer. The fact that the layer could be moved put me right off. I thought I'd made a basic mistake. Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop > Don, > > Did anyone ever answer your question? Not aware that they did. > >clipped
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Not for me! Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax discussion group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Layers in Photoshop > Hi Don; > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > BUTCH > > "Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself" > Hermann Hesse (Demian) > >
Re: Layers in Photoshop
The PhotoShop tutorials are quite adequate. You just have to see them through from start to finish. Paul Keith Whaley wrote: > > Butch Black wrote: > > > > Hi Don; > > > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can > > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > > > BUTCH > > You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going > to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably priced?" > > NFW! > > But...thanks for the offer! > > keith whaley
Re: Layers in Photoshop
I like your attitude here Keith, they make the damn thing so "full featured" that normal humans and morons can't even use it and then sell the rights to use the name to thousands of people who write tutorials and the dummy/idiot books...what a racket. BTW, I also got a kick out of your use of NFW. I use NFG on equipment at work all the time to describe the state of non-workedness. Cory Waters - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Layers in Photoshop > > > Butch Black wrote: > > > > Hi Don; > > > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can > > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > > > BUTCH > > You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going > to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably priced?" > > NFW! > > But...thanks for the offer! > > keith whaley > >
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Butch Black wrote: > > Hi Don; > > The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on > layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can > order them at; www.photoshopuser.com > > BUTCH You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! "Reasonably priced?" NFW! But...thanks for the offer! keith whaley
