Re: MAX demonstration on kodak.com
Not everyone is a master of the basics. Simple examples like these were what showed my daughter (just a snap shooter with no intentions of being anything else) why all her mall photos were washed out (no flash) or had dark backgrounds (flash) and that high speed film was what she needed. Now she thinks about what film she wants to use where. The examples are seriously basic, but frankly, you'll have to point out the lie to me, because I don't see it. Note that I removed the offensive html from the original post before replying. Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] has anyone seen this? Here's url: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/productFeatures/pictures.s html? This is just plain manipulative IMHO. Show someone an underexposed photo, and then one properly exposed. For anyone who can spell ISO and knows the difference between 100 and 400, this is just wrong. Kodak might not be intentionally dumbing down america, but they sure are telling some creative lies to get a product off of the shelf. Brent (listed name here was formerly bigtoeno2 in case someone cares) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MAX demonstration on kodak.com
- Original Message - From: Brent Subject: OT: MAX demonstration on kodak.com has anyone seen this? Here's url: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/productFeatu res/pictures.s html? This is just plain manipulative IMHO. Show someone an underexposed photo, and then one properly exposed. For anyone who can spell ISO and knows the difference between 100 and 400, this is just wrong. Kodak might not be intentionally dumbing down america, but they sure are telling some creative lies to get a product off of the shelf. Kewl. I had to install something called Macromedia Flash to view that. Gotta disagree with you on this one Brent. Showing the difference between the results you can expect with a slow film and a faster film under identical circumstances is called education. FWIW, I use a similar dog and pony show to show people why they should be using a faster film with their little point and shoot cameras at the lab. There are a lot of people out there who couldn't care less about film speed. A lot of customers buy product based completely on price point. They buy a 29 dollar camera because it's the cheapest one hanging in the blister pack alley, then compliment their foolishness with 100iso film, because it's the least expensive. They aren't intentionally being dumb, no one has bothered to educate them, and they haven't seen fit to educate themselves on the subject. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MAX demonstration on kodak.com
I agree that it's educational (I saw the slide show and nothing else). But what was it educating? That you need MAX 400 to get these results? They never really talked ISO, they only said see low speed film, now see MAX 400. It was as if MAX 400 was the solution. What does low-speed mean? What does 400 mean? What does MAX mean (probably nothing). Why not use 800 in these cases? Tom C. (disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing) :-) Gotta disagree with you on this one Brent. Showing the difference between the results you can expect with a slow film and a faster film under identical circumstances is called education. FWIW, I use a similar dog and pony show to show people why they should be using a faster film with their little point and shoot cameras at the lab. There are a lot of people out there who couldn't care less about film speed. A lot of customers buy product based completely on price point. They buy a 29 dollar camera because it's the cheapest one hanging in the blister pack alley, then compliment their foolishness with 100iso film, because it's the least expensive. They aren't intentionally being dumb, no one has bothered to educate them, and they haven't seen fit to educate themselves on the subject. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MAX demonstration on kodak.com
What a load of RUBBISH! You are exactly right. Why not just say that you should use the right film for the conditions? Not that this "new" film will solve your problems. I noticed the term "Depth of Focus" was used as opposed to "Depth of Field". Is this an acceptable term? If not, does there marketing department understand basic photography? Or was it a deliberate attempt not to use the normal terminology? And to beg the question... If a person with a camera didn't already know this, do you really think they would take the time to research the issue on Kodak's website? It reminds me of my phone company's long recorded introduction when you call their customer service number. Itkindly lets you know thatyou can now report phone line troubles using their corporate web-site. Ha ha... My phone doesn't work so I guess I'll just log on using my analog modem and let them know... Tom C. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: OT: MAX demonstration on kodak.com has anyone seen this? Here's url: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/productFeatures/pictures.s html? This is just plain manipulative IMHO. Show someone an underexposed photo, and then one properly exposed. For anyone who can spell ISO and knows the difference between 100 and 400, this is just wrong. Kodak might not be intentionally "dumbing down america", but they sure are telling some creative lies to get a product off of the shelf. Brent (listed name here was formerly bigtoeno2 in case someone cares)
