Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Sure we're subtle. In fact MARK!'s middle name is Subtlety.  

Cheers,
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From: Steven Desjardins 
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Subject: Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

That's OK.  We're not a particularly subtle group.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Sam L  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/24/2012 1:00 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>>
>>> Quoting Sam L :
>>>
>>> 
>>>>
>>>> I am a new camera slut. I want to hold them, feel them, and twist
>>>> their knobs.
>>
>> That's Mark-baiting.
>>
>
> I admit I was aiming for a MARK.
> Too bad I couldn't come up with something more subtle.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's OK.  We're not a particularly subtle group.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Sam L  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/24/2012 1:00 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>>
>>> Quoting Sam L :
>>>
>>> 

 I am a new camera slut. I want to hold them, feel them, and twist
 their knobs.
>>
>> That's Mark-baiting.
>>
>
> I admit I was aiming for a MARK.
> Too bad I couldn't come up with something more subtle.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-26 Thread Sam L
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> On 1/24/2012 1:00 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Sam L :
>>
>> 
>>>
>>> I am a new camera slut. I want to hold them, feel them, and twist
>>> their knobs.
>
> That's Mark-baiting.
>

I admit I was aiming for a MARK.
Too bad I couldn't come up with something more subtle.

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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Larry Colen



On 1/24/2012 1:00 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Sam L :





I am a new camera slut. I want to hold them, feel them, and twist
their knobs.




Well - that's a MARK.


That's Mark-baiting.







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RE: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Sam L
> 
> Link #2 mentions the expectation that the new OM-D camera will have a
> weather sealed body.
> That is one area that will cause a more direct competition with Pentax.
> 
> I am a new camera slut.  I want to hold them, feel them, and twist
> their knobs.
> 

the top-end 4/3rds bodies (E-1, E-3, E-5) and the medium- and top-end lenses
have always been weather-sealed. They've been ahead of Pentax for years in
that respect.

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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting "P. J. Alling" :


On 1/24/2012 4:00 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Sam L :





I am a new camera slut.  I want to hold them, feel them, and twist  
their knobs.




Well - that's a MARK.




Not enough editing.




True.  But this being a photography list.




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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/24/2012 4:00 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Sam L :





I am a new camera slut.  I want to hold them, feel them, and twist 
their knobs.




Well - that's a MARK.




Not enough editing.

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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/24/2012 3:41 PM, Sam L wrote:

I want to hold them, feel them, and twist their knobs.


Mark!!

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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Sam L :





I am a new camera slut.  I want to hold them, feel them, and twist  
their knobs.




Well - that's a MARK.



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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Sam L
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Given this groups propensity to enjoy retro, i'm a bit surprised that
> no one has yet said anything about the upcoming Olympus OM-D (or did I
> just miss it?).
>
> http://www.digphoto.org/content/olympus-om-d-camera-leaked-photo-revealed/71710031
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57360493-264/olympus-going-even-more-retro-with-om-d-camera/
> http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-oh-my-goodness-olympus-is-coming-big/
>
> I'm not into 4/3, but something tells me that his could be a home run
> in attention-getting for Olympus.
> Will probably be headline competition for whatever it is that Pentax
> announces around the same timeframe.


Link #2 mentions the expectation that the new OM-D camera will have a
weather sealed body.
That is one area that will cause a more direct competition with Pentax.

I am a new camera slut.  I want to hold them, feel them, and twist their knobs.

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RE: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> P. J. Alling

> 
> If you want retro for retro sake, look at the Epson RD-1, now that's
> retro, even more so than the Leica M-9.
> 

The Epson RD-1's not retro, it's steampunk. 

The M9 is not retro either, any more than the M7 was retro, it's simply the
continuation of a successful design. If it was retro it would be more like
the recent MP, which was styled to look like the M3.

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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Agreed. I like my old cameras because the controls worked so well.
> The presence of automatic modes makes these controls an afterthought,
> and this becomes clear when you use the camera.  Most shots work fine
> on auto but that actually makes it worse.  You don't' use the manual
> controls as often, and when needed it's hard to react quickly.

One of the reasons I fell in love all over again with the M4-2, which
led to my buying the M9, is that I find I get better results, more
consistently, with all manual controls on cameras that are designed
with manual control as a priority. Using manual controls on cameras
primarily designed to be used with automation invariably presents some
awkwardness in use, which makes using manual control less effective
and obtaining top notch results less consistent.

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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
Agreed. I like my old cameras because the controls worked so well.
The presence of automatic modes makes these controls an afterthought,
and this becomes clear when you use the camera.  Most shots work fine
on auto but that actually makes it worse.  You don't' use the manual
controls as often, and when needed it's hard to react quickly.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:29 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> For me the styling is unimportant.  Retro that works is controls and
> ergonomics.  Since it's a m43 camera I doubt it will allow the use of legacy
> lenses better than any other m43 system camera so I'm not particularly
> excited.  I don't own any OM-Zuiko glass anyway, but many were outstanding
> lenses.
>
> I have friends who have OM systems, and they are a bit disappointed that
> Olympus didn't make as much effort as Pentax did to keep their old lenses
> compatible.  Most have moved on to low to mid level Canons...
>
> Using my existing lens kit is much more important than what the camera looks
> like.  Right now I have a system that can use every single bit of legacy
> gl\ass I own.
>
> If you want retro for retro sake, look at the Epson RD-1, now that's retro,
> even more so than the Leica M-9.
>
>
> On 1/24/2012 7:48 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>> As for Olympus, I've noticed that many folks who use mu43 are current
>> or former Pentax users.  The most obvious overlap is a preference for
>> small SLRs.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Steven Desjardins
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Body styling is obviously an important part of how a camera works
>>> since you have to hold it to use it.  I'm not a fan of retro per se as
>>> much as I'm not a fan of modern styling for the sake of being
>>> different.  Body styling also affects compactness as a dove bar will
>>> slide in your pocket whereas something with a big grip is easy to
>>> hold.  I also like manual controls.  One person's styling is often
>>> another person's function.  However, I will put up with a lot if the
>>> IQ is really good.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:03 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>>>   wrote:

 An exciting new camera is of more than passing interest to this group
 because (and this is just my unscientific opinion) many here are
 photographers first, Pentaxians second. That is evidenced by the fact that
 so many own other brands along with their Pentaxes; some have even 
 discarded
 their Pentaxes ~in toto~ and remain on the list for reasons other than 
 their
 loyalty to the brand.

 You of all people, Godfrey, who look beyond Pentax to satisfy your
 photographic needs, will understand that.

 If there's one thing that I've always liked about this list it's the
 love/hate relationship that so many seem to have with Pentax. No blindly
 spewing the company line, no "my camera maker right or wrong", it's more
 like, "here's what I want and if you don't make it I'll still love you but 
 I
 will go elsewhere."

 There are very few measurebaters compared to other places; we're just
 people who like taking pictures, on whatever equipment is out there that
 suits our needs.

 That, I suppose, is why the latest Oly is of more than passing interest.

 Cheers,
 frank



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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling
For me the styling is unimportant.  Retro that works is controls and 
ergonomics.  Since it's a m43 camera I doubt it will allow the use of 
legacy lenses better than any other m43 system camera so I'm not 
particularly excited.  I don't own any OM-Zuiko glass anyway, but many 
were outstanding lenses.


I have friends who have OM systems, and they are a bit disappointed that 
Olympus didn't make as much effort as Pentax did to keep their old 
lenses compatible.  Most have moved on to low to mid level Canons...


Using my existing lens kit is much more important than what the camera 
looks like.  Right now I have a system that can use every single bit of 
legacy gl\ass I own.


If you want retro for retro sake, look at the Epson RD-1, now that's 
retro, even more so than the Leica M-9.


On 1/24/2012 7:48 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

As for Olympus, I've noticed that many folks who use mu43 are current
or former Pentax users.  The most obvious overlap is a preference for
small SLRs.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

Body styling is obviously an important part of how a camera works
since you have to hold it to use it.  I'm not a fan of retro per se as
much as I'm not a fan of modern styling for the sake of being
different.  Body styling also affects compactness as a dove bar will
slide in your pocket whereas something with a big grip is easy to
hold.  I also like manual controls.  One person's styling is often
another person's function.  However, I will put up with a lot if the
IQ is really good.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:03 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
  wrote:

An exciting new camera is of more than passing interest to this group because 
(and this is just my unscientific opinion) many here are photographers first, 
Pentaxians second. That is evidenced by the fact that so many own other brands 
along with their Pentaxes; some have even discarded their Pentaxes ~in toto~ 
and remain on the list for reasons other than their loyalty to the brand.

You of all people, Godfrey, who look beyond Pentax to satisfy your photographic 
needs, will understand that.

If there's one thing that I've always liked about this list it's the love/hate relationship that so 
many seem to have with Pentax. No blindly spewing the company line, no "my camera maker right 
or wrong", it's more like, "here's what I want and if you don't make it I'll still love 
you but I will go elsewhere."

There are very few measurebaters compared to other places; we're just people 
who like taking pictures, on whatever equipment is out there that suits our 
needs.

That, I suppose, is why the latest Oly is of more than passing interest.

Cheers,
frank



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Sent: January 23, 2012 1/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"

I don't know why speculation about an Olympus camera would be of more
than just passing interest for the Pentax community, however.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
As for Olympus, I've noticed that many folks who use mu43 are current
or former Pentax users.  The most obvious overlap is a preference for
small SLRs.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Body styling is obviously an important part of how a camera works
> since you have to hold it to use it.  I'm not a fan of retro per se as
> much as I'm not a fan of modern styling for the sake of being
> different.  Body styling also affects compactness as a dove bar will
> slide in your pocket whereas something with a big grip is easy to
> hold.  I also like manual controls.  One person's styling is often
> another person's function.  However, I will put up with a lot if the
> IQ is really good.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:03 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> An exciting new camera is of more than passing interest to this group 
>> because (and this is just my unscientific opinion) many here are 
>> photographers first, Pentaxians second. That is evidenced by the fact that 
>> so many own other brands along with their Pentaxes; some have even discarded 
>> their Pentaxes ~in toto~ and remain on the list for reasons other than their 
>> loyalty to the brand.
>>
>> You of all people, Godfrey, who look beyond Pentax to satisfy your 
>> photographic needs, will understand that.
>>
>> If there's one thing that I've always liked about this list it's the 
>> love/hate relationship that so many seem to have with Pentax. No blindly 
>> spewing the company line, no "my camera maker right or wrong", it's more 
>> like, "here's what I want and if you don't make it I'll still love you but I 
>> will go elsewhere."
>>
>> There are very few measurebaters compared to other places; we're just people 
>> who like taking pictures, on whatever equipment is out there that suits our 
>> needs.
>>
>> That, I suppose, is why the latest Oly is of more than passing interest.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> Sent: January 23, 2012 1/23/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> 
>> I don't know why speculation about an Olympus camera would be of more
>> than just passing interest for the Pentax community, however.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
Body styling is obviously an important part of how a camera works
since you have to hold it to use it.  I'm not a fan of retro per se as
much as I'm not a fan of modern styling for the sake of being
different.  Body styling also affects compactness as a dove bar will
slide in your pocket whereas something with a big grip is easy to
hold.  I also like manual controls.  One person's styling is often
another person's function.  However, I will put up with a lot if the
IQ is really good.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:03 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> An exciting new camera is of more than passing interest to this group because 
> (and this is just my unscientific opinion) many here are photographers first, 
> Pentaxians second. That is evidenced by the fact that so many own other 
> brands along with their Pentaxes; some have even discarded their Pentaxes ~in 
> toto~ and remain on the list for reasons other than their loyalty to the 
> brand.
>
> You of all people, Godfrey, who look beyond Pentax to satisfy your 
> photographic needs, will understand that.
>
> If there's one thing that I've always liked about this list it's the 
> love/hate relationship that so many seem to have with Pentax. No blindly 
> spewing the company line, no "my camera maker right or wrong", it's more 
> like, "here's what I want and if you don't make it I'll still love you but I 
> will go elsewhere."
>
> There are very few measurebaters compared to other places; we're just people 
> who like taking pictures, on whatever equipment is out there that suits our 
> needs.
>
> That, I suppose, is why the latest Oly is of more than passing interest.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> Sent: January 23, 2012 1/23/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> 
> I don't know why speculation about an Olympus camera would be of more
> than just passing interest for the Pentax community, however.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-23 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
An exciting new camera is of more than passing interest to this group because 
(and this is just my unscientific opinion) many here are photographers first, 
Pentaxians second. That is evidenced by the fact that so many own other brands 
along with their Pentaxes; some have even discarded their Pentaxes ~in toto~ 
and remain on the list for reasons other than their loyalty to the brand.

You of all people, Godfrey, who look beyond Pentax to satisfy your photographic 
needs, will understand that.

If there's one thing that I've always liked about this list it's the love/hate 
relationship that so many seem to have with Pentax. No blindly spewing the 
company line, no "my camera maker right or wrong", it's more like, "here's what 
I want and if you don't make it I'll still love you but I will go elsewhere."

There are very few measurebaters compared to other places; we're just people 
who like taking pictures, on whatever equipment is out there that suits our 
needs.

That, I suppose, is why the latest Oly is of more than passing interest.

Cheers,
frank



--- Original Message ---

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
Sent: January 23, 2012 1/23/12
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I don't know why speculation about an Olympus camera would be of more
than just passing interest for the Pentax community, however.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-23 Thread Darren Addy
> I don't know why speculation about an Olympus camera would be of more
> than just passing interest for the Pentax community, however.

ALL interest is passing interest, for we mere mortals, Godfrey.

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I don't think there's any particular propensity for this group of
people to enjoy "retro". I dislike "retro", personally. "Retro"
implies styling things to make appear a particular way for the sake of
selling them on the fantasy of those looks. I dislike things that are
false this way.

I love cameras that work. Many older cameras are dear to me simply
because they work very well.  Build me a camera that works well and
I'm all for it.

Olympus has produced many excellent cameras. I hope this one proves to
be an excellent camera too.

I don't know why speculation about an Olympus camera would be of more
than just passing interest for the Pentax community, however.
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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-23 Thread P. J. Alling
The only way I'd particularly care would be if it accepted OM lenses 
natively.  Otherwise it's just another  m43 camera.  Nice but nothing 
special, except possibly for the pretty face.


On 1/23/2012 5:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Given this groups propensity to enjoy retro, i'm a bit surprised that
no one has yet said anything about the upcoming Olympus OM-D (or did I
just miss it?).

http://www.digphoto.org/content/olympus-om-d-camera-leaked-photo-revealed/71710031
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57360493-264/olympus-going-even-more-retro-with-om-d-camera/
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-oh-my-goodness-olympus-is-coming-big/

I'm not into 4/3, but something tells me that his could be a home run
in attention-getting for Olympus.
Will probably be headline competition for whatever it is that Pentax
announces around the same timeframe.

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska




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Re: No discussion of the Olympus OM-D ?

2012-01-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Is Olympus going to survive as a camera maker?
They sure don't inspire much confidence as a public company.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Given this groups propensity to enjoy retro, i'm a bit surprised that
> no one has yet said anything about the upcoming Olympus OM-D (or did I
> just miss it?).
>
> http://www.digphoto.org/content/olympus-om-d-camera-leaked-photo-revealed/71710031
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57360493-264/olympus-going-even-more-retro-with-om-d-camera/
> http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-oh-my-goodness-olympus-is-coming-big/
>
> I'm not into 4/3, but something tells me that his could be a home run
> in attention-getting for Olympus.
> Will probably be headline competition for whatever it is that Pentax
> announces around the same timeframe.
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, Nebraska
>
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