Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/5/2007 4:41:11 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Warning: This is not a 100%  smut free site (it's pretty tame smut
though :-), but the main images are  quite  interesting.



Anybody  who starts a political slanging match is a Nazi (I hear by
declare this  thread dead before it's started). But if you must send it
off  list.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

==
Land mines?  Or just war?

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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[graywolf]

Yah, yah, and what is the guy who posts a link to such a politically charged 
site?

Just to save folks the trouble it is a Russian site with photos of supposedly 
American soldiers who have paid a rather terrible price with their heroism, 
mostly loss of limbs; as if they do not have enough of their own soldiers who 
have suffered the same.

David, suddenly I do not like you much.



David Savage wrote:
> Warning: This is not a 100% smut free site (it's pretty tame smut
> though :-), but the main images are quite interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> Anybody who starts a political slanging match is a Nazi (I hear by
> declare this thread dead before it's started). But if you must send it
> off list.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 

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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[David Savage]

On 10/5/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yah, yah, and what is the guy who posts a link to such a politically charged 
> site?

Just a guy who came across some very moving images, that I thought
others would be interested in, but who doesn't want an open political
argument.

> Just to save folks the trouble it is a Russian site with photos of supposedly
> American soldiers who have paid a rather terrible price with their heroism,
> mostly loss of limbs; as if they do not have enough of their own soldiers who
> have suffered the same.

I'm quite sure the Russians do.

> David, suddenly I do not like you much.

Fare enough.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Daniel J. Matyola]

David, I am glad that you posted the photos, and I am a combat veteran
of the US Marine Corps.  My heart goes out to these men and women.

The images are difficult to look at, and they are posted on a Russian
site, probably for their anti-American propaganda value more than
anything else, but that does not detract from the images, in my view.
They are quite moving.

Dan M

On 10/5/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/5/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yah, yah, and what is the guy who posts a link to such a politically 
> > charged site?
>
> Just a guy who came across some very moving images, that I thought
> others would be interested in, but who doesn't want an open political
> argument.
>
> > Just to save folks the trouble it is a Russian site with photos of 
> > supposedly
> > American soldiers who have paid a rather terrible price with their heroism,
> > mostly loss of limbs; as if they do not have enough of their own soldiers 
> > who
> > have suffered the same.
>
> I'm quite sure the Russians do.
>
> > David, suddenly I do not like you much.
>
> Fare enough.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Charles Robinson]

On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:13, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> The images are difficult to look at, and they are posted on a Russian
> site, probably for their anti-American propaganda value more than
> anything else, but that does not detract from the images, in my view.
> They are quite moving.
>

I've found that there are a number of Russian sites which are  
dedicated to simply posting interesting/funny/sad/noteworthy/sexy/ 
whatever photos on a regular basis.  Without browsing the rest of  
that site I can't speak for them but it's quite possible that someone  
found these, thought "these are great portraits" and wanted to  
share.Or, you could be right and it's a slam at America but I  
don't see that.

Ultimately, someone took those portraits for some purpose... almost  
certainly with the consent of the subjects.  But without knowing the  
photographer's intent or what the subjects are thinking it's really  
difficult (for me) to make a judgement one way or the other about the  
WHY of the photos.

Visually - I found them interesting, well done, and striking.  Good  
enough for me.

  -Charles

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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> David, I am glad that you posted the photos, and I am a combat veteran
> of the US Marine Corps.  My heart goes out to these men and women.

I am not a veteran.

I agree with Daniel however regards the dignity that is due these men  
and women, and the frank manner of their expressions and portraiture.  
That they have suffered, for whatever reason, in whatever cause, and  
been mutilated is exposed for all to see.

That does not detract from their humanity. Or their beauty. Nor does  
whatever purpose for which the website was intended sully those  
attributes.

A tough, excellent set of photos. Thank you for posting the link.

Godfrey



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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Adam Maas]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/5/2007 4:41:11 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Warning: This is not a 100%  smut free site (it's pretty tame smut
> though :-), but the main images are  quite  interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> Anybody  who starts a political slanging match is a Nazi (I hear by
> declare this  thread dead before it's started). But if you must send it
> off  list.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 
> ==
> Land mines?  Or just war?
> 

War.

-Adam


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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
>> David, I am glad that you posted the photos, and I am a combat veteran
>> of the US Marine Corps.  My heart goes out to these men and women.
> 
> I am not a veteran.
> 
> I agree with Daniel however regards the dignity that is due these men  
> and women, and the frank manner of their expressions and portraiture.  
> That they have suffered, for whatever reason, in whatever cause, and  
> been mutilated is exposed for all to see.
> 
> That does not detract from their humanity. Or their beauty. Nor does  
> whatever purpose for which the website was intended sully those  
> attributes.
> 
> A tough, excellent set of photos. Thank you for posting the link.
> 
> Godfrey
> 

Can't say it better than Godfrey did. 

-Adam


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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Igor Roshchin]

Fri Oct 5 12:36:20 EDT 2007
Charles Robinson wrote:

> > On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:13, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > The images are difficult to look at, and they are posted on a Russian
> > site, probably for their anti-American propaganda value more than
> > anything else, but that does not detract from the images, in my view.
> > They are quite moving.
> >
> 
> I've found that there are a number of Russian sites which are  
> dedicated to simply posting interesting/funny/sad/noteworthy/sexy/ 
> whatever photos on a regular basis.  Without browsing the rest of  
> that site I can't speak for them but it's quite possible that someone  
> found these, thought "these are great portraits" and wanted to  
> share.Or, you could be right and it's a slam at America but I  
> don't see that.
> 

Let me clarify, - yes, indeed, this is one of those sites that post whatever
images that attract people's attention, - usually for the purpose of
driving web-hits and earning money from banner advertisers.
In this case these photos are posted with the caption "Shocking photos".
(Which is, in my opinion, is not a "kosher" thing to do: making a circus
out of these people. But this is one of those things that tabloids do.)

The comments left by the visitors of the pages are polarized: half of
them feel sorry for these soldiers. Another half of them, either being
filled by propaganda or just having natural hatred to all people
that are different from them, - indeed feel anti-american.
Some of these people distinguish these poor soldiers 
from the politicians sending them to the war, but some don't.

Having had an opportunity to compare people and life in different
countries relatively objectively, I concluded long time ago:
despite all cultural and historical differences,
propaganda and people (with their both kindness and hatred) [and
bureaucracy] are much more similar in different countries, than one
may expect.

Igor


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Re: OT: Emotionally Charged Portraits

[Derby Chang]

David Savage wrote:
> Warning: This is not a 100% smut free site (it's pretty tame smut
> though :-), but the main images are quite interesting.
>
> 
>
> Anybody who starts a political slanging match is a Nazi (I hear by
> declare this thread dead before it's started). But if you must send it
> off list.
>
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>   

Trend Micro doesn't let me open this page without special permission, 
Dave. Spyware warning.

D

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