Re: OT: HTML Editors
Arachnophilia -- http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/ Freeware which the author has been supporting/updating for years. However, it is only for those who know html, it is not a "write the hmtl for you" editor. It is a plain text editor customized for html. Tool bars for common html functions, spell checker, able to switch between browser and editor for page preview, and why I like it -- the beautifier -- which straightens up html code and double-checks it at the same time -- i.e. it finds if a tag is missing. I probably would like it for the beautifier alone, which is always accurate (though it can't always tell you exactly where the tag is missing, just what tag is missing and approximately where it is missing from the page). HTH, Doe aka Marnie
RE: OT: HTML Editors
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Arachnophilia -- http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/ > > Freeware which the author has been supporting/updating for years. This is what I use, though I like the older version more than the new java version. I used to use VI back in the day... tv
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notepad handles everything but flash :o) I don't like all the crap front page adds to a site. --- Shaun Canning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are > PDMLer's using for > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, > which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... > > Cheers > > Shaun Canning > Cultural Heritage Services > High Street, Broadford, > Victoria, 3658. > > www.heritageservices.com.au/ > > Phone: 0414-967644 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Shaun Canning wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... Yeah, and it generates awful, bloated code. I use a plain text editor (Editpad - freeware) for most updates but I fire up Alaire Home Site for starting big projects and for validating anything which I have doubts about. I use Dreamweaver when someone forces me to do JavaScript; it does the grunt work of generating the basic stuff, then I modify to suit my purposes. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 03:42 PM, Shaun Canning wrote: What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... Cheers +++ + Shaun Canning For my photopages, when they were up, I used mostly free stuff: John Vink's Photopage to generate the thumbnails and tables, BBEdit's Lite text editor and Netscape Navigator's builtin html composer to tweak. Worked pretty well while not require much in the way of coding skills. I think for anyone putting up a photopage now, if you've got a copy of Photoshop on hand, let Photoshop do it and tweak the results as needed. Dan Scott
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I'm opposed to most wysiwig editors on principal but you're just sick. :) At 05:29 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Shaun Canning wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... vi. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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Shaun Canning asked: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > their web sites? vi. Well, technically vim, but apart from word-wrap and multiple undo, I treat it as if it were vi. So far it does everything I want an HTML editor to do. (I don't need a WYSIWYG editor -- I can just call up the page in a web browser in another window. A WYSIWYG interface would just get in my way by obscuring the code I'm trying to edit.) I do automate part of the process using PHP as a batch preprocessor. (That is, my ISP doesn't support using PHP to make active pages with the type of account I've got, but I run my pages through PHP to create the HTML that gets uploaded to my ISP. All it does is put standard headers and footers on my pages so that I only have to change one file to change the look of my whole site, and adjust some navigation links based on how many directories down a page is from the root.) > I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... That's the great thing about vi -- the only idiosyncracies that wind up on my pages are my own, not the editor's. The same would be true of Notepad, Pico, and Emacs if I could stand those. -- Glenn
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Peter Alling commented: > > > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > > > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > > > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... > >vi. :) > I'm opposed to most wysiwig editors on principal but you're just sick. :) What, are you one of those Emacs heretics? Fie! -- Glenn
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I'm using JEXT for HTML, PHP, Java and so on. It's free and works well enough, but is strictly a coding tool. The only hassle I have had is that you have to fiddle around to get it to recognise that an SHTML extension indicates an HTML file. If it doesn't recognise the extension it won't turn on the appropriate colour coding of key words. It has been really helpful when setting up sites that use HTML front ends to pages generated by PHP or from SQL queries. I can have all of the different types of files open and switch from one to the other as necessary. > vi. Well, technically vim Oooh, don't get me started. Archaic sixties era technology that has no purpose other than as an aid for sharpening your memory skills. Even mobile phones have enough memory to run GUIs nowadays and its been a long while since I have seen a 3270 terminal or DECwriter in use so there is really no excuse for command line stuff. At 37 I am finding it harder and harder to memorize arcane command strings and have forgotten just about everything I used to know about SPF and SAS and other systems that occupied a large part of my working life once. For every job that is marginally easier with a command line interface there are dozens that would be virtually impossible without a GUI. oops, sorry, I'll stop ranting now. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia
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Hi! Well, I am guilty of being a programmer. Furthermore, once upon a time I was quite fluent in TeX and LaTeX if you know what it is :). Darn, Donald Knuth came once to my university to give some lectures including some on WeB and Weave... It was some time around 1993 or 1994. Anyway, before I get too nostalgic :), I use Programmer's File Editor - excellent free-ware general purpose text editor that is so good I simply love it. Along with PFE I use PPWizard which is also a free-ware. PPWizard is based on REXX programming/scripting language which allows you to do some pretty nice stuff if you code manually. As I said, I am guilty of being a programmer. So my modest GeoCities page is hand-written (or should I say hand-woven?! :) ) in PFE with some PPWizard coding. Cheers. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
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Shaun, I use Homesite version 4.51. It's old, but do the job nicely. Homesite is shareware, but the functionality doesn't expire after 30 days. I think that's unique to the 4.51 version. Pretty sure I'm gonna buy that program one of these days, though... :-) Another editor I like is HTML-kit from www.chami.com, which is freeware. Jostein === At 2003-01-10, 08:42:00 Shaun wrote: === >What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for >their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, >but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... > >Cheers > >Shaun Canning >Cultural Heritage Services >High Street, Broadford, >Victoria, 3658. > >www.heritageservices.com.au/ > >Phone: 0414-967644 >e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-01-10
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This one time, at band camp, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > free-ware. PPWizard is based on REXX programming/scripting language Gee, takes me back to my OS/2 days Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
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Worse, I use K-edit a X-edit emulator for the PC. (I cut my teeth programming ForTran on Mainframes). At 01:50 AM 1/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: Peter Alling commented: > > > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > > > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > > > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... > >vi. :) > I'm opposed to most wysiwig editors on principal but you're just sick. :) What, are you one of those Emacs heretics? Fie! -- Glenn Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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VI the editor that time forgot, as if someone had turned edlin from dos into a full screen editor. At 07:06 PM 1/10/2003 +1100, you wrote: I'm using JEXT for HTML, PHP, Java and so on. It's free and works well enough, but is strictly a coding tool. The only hassle I have had is that you have to fiddle around to get it to recognise that an SHTML extension indicates an HTML file. If it doesn't recognise the extension it won't turn on the appropriate colour coding of key words. It has been really helpful when setting up sites that use HTML front ends to pages generated by PHP or from SQL queries. I can have all of the different types of files open and switch from one to the other as necessary. > vi. Well, technically vim Oooh, don't get me started. Archaic sixties era technology that has no purpose other than as an aid for sharpening your memory skills. Even mobile phones have enough memory to run GUIs nowadays and its been a long while since I have seen a 3270 terminal or DECwriter in use so there is really no excuse for command line stuff. At 37 I am finding it harder and harder to memorize arcane command strings and have forgotten just about everything I used to know about SPF and SAS and other systems that occupied a large part of my working life once. For every job that is marginally easier with a command line interface there are dozens that would be virtually impossible without a GUI. oops, sorry, I'll stop ranting now. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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That's true any editor you extend in LISP had to be written by a sadist. At 08:59 AM 1/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Peter Alling wrote: > I'm opposed to most wysiwig editors on principal but you're just sick. :) Don't look at me, Mishka said _emacs_! (although I wonder if someone's bound to pipe and say "copy con index.html") Someone did. -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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Yes, but "con" should be "con:" and we still depend on ddt, stat, etc. Collin *** From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Personally I like: copy con index.htm real programmers use: copy con program.com ;-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ ***
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I never said that I never made a syntax error in my life, but I do spell pretty darned good anyway. :^) I miss that old Dynamic Debugging Tool. But Super Utility was a lot better. ;-) Len --- From: Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: HTML Editors Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:53:38 -0500 Yes, but "con" should be "con:" and we still depend on ddt, stat, etc. Collin *** From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Personally I like: copy con index.htm real programmers use: copy con program.com ;-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ *** _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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Ah, you kids and your HTML editors.
In my day we used sticks to scratch out our code in the dirt...
('course, we had to photograph the result with a digital camera and OCR the
image into a text file, but still...)
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: HTML Editors
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:53:38 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > Yes, but "con" should be "con:" > and we still depend on ddt, stat, etc. Works with or without the ":" character in many versions of MS/PC-DOS and Windows. IIRC, OS/2 was a bit more picky about it. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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I vaguely remember something to do with jumpering wires between holes in the
panel, but perhaps that is just the remnant of an old nightmare. The first
computer I worked on had a lot of gears and cams in it. It was a nightmarish
thing used for a nightmarish task.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Ah, you kids and your HTML editors.
> In my day we used sticks to scratch out our code in the dirt...
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> ('course, we had to photograph the result with a digital camera and OCR
the
> image into a text file, but still...)
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
>
Re: OT: HTML Editors
Shaun Canning wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using > for their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... I used to use Pico (a simple non-graphical unix-based text editor). Coded everything by hand. I eventually got sick of that and did a couple of weekend courses in Dreamweaver. They gave me a student ID which got me the academic packages for 1/5th of the commercial price. I am not going back. Dreamweaver is brilliant. The site management alone is extremely valuable. I set it up to give me both the wysiwyg and code views simultaneously but its not often I need to edit the code directly. For web graphics, Fireworks is just what I was looking for (also a Macromedia product). Now I just need the time to build my new site, although my current "temporary" one was mostly done with Dreamweaver. I recently bought a book on how to do Flash but I won't get the time to read it for a while. Flash is not important to me but I may find it useful where I hit the limits of HTML and javascript. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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Hi Shaun, On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:42:19 +1100, Shaun Canning wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... I use a text editor and hand-code the HTML ... well, except that I did write a little program to generate the actual HTML from script files so I didn't have to generate and maintain all of the multi-level menus manually. http://www.shootingshark.com/ ... all of the stuff at the top of the pages, the titles and "blue bar" menus, is generated automatically ... the rest is hand-coded. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Shaun Canning wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... > I just write straight code and crib a lot from previously written stuff - occasionally viewing what others have written to steal stuff: ) I may not write the most elegant code but when I'm not lazy, it gets the job done. The canned stuff seems to need a lot of tweaking - at least MSWORD version is hideous. annsan
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Oh God Ann don't use MS-Word, the only thing the HTML it produces is good for is posting you resume on a web page. At 12:07 AM 1/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: Shaun Canning wrote: > What HTML editors or web page creation software are PDMLer's using for > their web sites? I am still using Frontpage 2000, which does the job, > but is an idiosyncratic little bugger... > I just write straight code and crib a lot from previously written stuff - occasionally viewing what others have written to steal stuff: ) I may not write the most elegant code but when I'm not lazy, it gets the job done. The canned stuff seems to need a lot of tweaking - at least MSWORD version is hideous. annsan Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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tom wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Arachnophilia -- http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/ > > > > Freeware which the author has been supporting/updating for years. > > This is what I use, though I like the older version more than the new > java version. > > I used to use VI back in the day... > > tv VI Yuck! I used Kedit. yum. but neither of them are code, we might point out to youngsters.. just a way of getting your code on virtual paper. They are just line editors. annsan the old spec writer
