Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
I haven't been informed yet so I use the current year. graywolf wrote: I donno the current legal requirement, but since copyright now is until 75 years after the photographers death, shouldn't you use the date you plan on dying. GRIN! It would take an essay to explain why, but I personally think copyrights and patents ought to only be seven years these days. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
On 11/2/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been informed yet so I use the current year. graywolf wrote: I donno the current legal requirement, but since copyright now is until 75 years after the photographers death, shouldn't you use the date you plan on dying. That would have been Sept 25, 2000, but i pulled through. Dave GRIN! It would take an essay to explain why, but I personally think copyrights and patents ought to only be seven years these days. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
Use the date of creation of the work - i.e. the year you took the picture. Cheers, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Yeah, I've been busy offlist and not participating here much, just glancing at most-recent threads every so often. Sorry about that. Hope tochange it soon ...) My ex-housemate hasn't taken his computer away yet, and he has a scanner with a transparency adaptor (35mm strips only, alas, not 120 nor mounted slides) so I've been scanning a bunch of my old to take advantage of it while it's still here. A lot of film from 2001-2003. When preparing a scanned image for posting on the web or emailing to a subject -- mostly adjust-levels, unsharp-mask, scale, and maybe crop -- one of my standard actions is (duh) to add a copyright notice. Here's the thing: I'm not really certain whether it's more appropriate to put in the year the photo was captured on film, or the year I scanned and prepped it. Or should I just ignore what's more appropriate and put the current year because I _can_ (because it's a new version with (minor) changes plus the change in medium)? Using the current year if I'm blacking out (or whiting out) the background or making other significant changes to the composition seems obvious to me. When it's just a matter of applying two filters and adding the copyright notice, it feels a lot less obvious. So: what do _you_ do when adding a copyright notice to a new scan of an old photo? And, if you have the time: why? -- Glenn PS: Hey, on the plus side it means finally getting more Pentax shots into digital form even if they're all from old shoots -- due to my chronic difficulty affording processing, most of the photos I've _seen_ lately have been the ones I've shot on the PS digicam, not on film. Not much to even _consider_ submitting to the PUG lately, until this scanning-frenzy began... unless using a Pentax lens reversed in front of the digicam for macro counts as using Pentax equipment, that is. PPS: I'm sure I've asked before but I recently lost my file server's /home drive and all my mail archives with it: what developer do y'all suggest for Kodak HIE (subject is an outdoor wedding); and similarly for TMZ shot at various speeds? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
I put the date I publish a photo into the IPTC copyright metadata slot. I put the capture year into the caption slot. Digital images carry their capture date/time stamp around with them unless you strip the metadata. Watermarking is based on the IPTC copyright metadata. eg, see the annotation on this photo: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41c.htm If I modify and/or republish a photo, as for a new edition or something like that, I copyright it again with the updated edition's date. Caption information remains the same, might be appended to. Why? because this is what seems to make sense to me and to the people I sell pictures to. ;-) Godfrey On Nov 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... So: what do _you_ do when adding a copyright notice to a new scan of an old photo? And, if you have the time: why? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
I don't deface my photos with copyright notices, but if I did, I'd indicate the year it was shot. I do post copyright notices on web pages where my pics are displayed, if the website itself doesn't do so. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yeah, I've been busy offlist and not participating here much, just glancing at most-recent threads every so often. Sorry about that. Hope tochange it soon ...) My ex-housemate hasn't taken his computer away yet, and he has a scanner with a transparency adaptor (35mm strips only, alas, not 120 nor mounted slides) so I've been scanning a bunch of my old to take advantage of it while it's still here. A lot of film from 2001-2003. When preparing a scanned image for posting on the web or emailing to a subject -- mostly adjust-levels, unsharp-mask, scale, and maybe crop -- one of my standard actions is (duh) to add a copyright notice. Here's the thing: I'm not really certain whether it's more appropriate to put in the year the photo was captured on film, or the year I scanned and prepped it. Or should I just ignore what's more appropriate and put the current year because I _can_ (because it's a new version with (minor) changes plus the change in medium)? Using the current year if I'm blacking out (or whiting out) the background or making other significant changes to the composition seems obvious to me. When it's just a matter of applying two filters and adding the copyright notice, it feels a lot less obvious. So: what do _you_ do when adding a copyright notice to a new scan of an old photo? And, if you have the time: why? -- Glenn PS: Hey, on the plus side it means finally getting more Pentax shots into digital form even if they're all from old shoots -- due to my chronic difficulty affording processing, most of the photos I've _seen_ lately have been the ones I've shot on the PS digicam, not on film. Not much to even _consider_ submitting to the PUG lately, until this scanning-frenzy began... unless using a Pentax lens reversed in front of the digicam for macro counts as using Pentax equipment, that is. PPS: I'm sure I've asked before but I recently lost my file server's /home drive and all my mail archives with it: what developer do y'all suggest for Kodak HIE (subject is an outdoor wedding); and similarly for TMZ shot at various speeds? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Paul Crovella wrote: Use the date of creation of the work - i.e. the year you took the picture. This reasoning is problematic and/or simplistic. Copyright is a way of protecting your authored works from illegal reproduction and establishing ownership. It has nothing to do with when you created a work, it has everything to do with when you released it for public consumption. If you made a negative in 1963 but didn't print it and offer it to the public until 2007, and copyrighted it as 1962, the copyright protections are already expired ... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Yeah, I've been busy offlist and not participating here much, just glancing at most-recent threads every so often. Sorry about that. Hope tochange it soon ...) My ex-housemate hasn't taken his computer away yet, and he has a scanner with a transparency adaptor (35mm strips only, alas, not 120 nor mounted slides) so I've been scanning a bunch of my old to take advantage of it while it's still here. A lot of film from 2001-2003. When preparing a scanned image for posting on the web or emailing to a subject -- mostly adjust-levels, unsharp-mask, scale, and maybe crop -- one of my standard actions is (duh) to add a copyright notice. Here's the thing: I'm not really certain whether it's more appropriate to put in the year the photo was captured on film, or the year I scanned and prepped it. Or should I just ignore what's more appropriate and put the current year because I _can_ (because it's a new version with (minor) changes plus the change in medium)? Using the current year if I'm blacking out (or whiting out) the background or making other significant changes to the composition seems obvious to me. When it's just a matter of applying two filters and adding the copyright notice, it feels a lot less obvious. So: what do _you_ do when adding a copyright notice to a new scan of an old photo? And, if you have the time: why? -- Glenn Copyright date is fairly irrelevant, as Copyright terms are now based on the creator's date of death (IIRC it's Death+70 years now in the US). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
On 01/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: So: what do _you_ do when adding a copyright notice to a new scan of an old photo? And, if you have the time: why? I have stickers printed out with a copyright notice, they go on the backs of prints. Always current year. When it leaves me on it's way wherever, that's the date it was created - when it left me. Doesn't matter a peck that is was shot 5 years ago. HTH. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
Copyright protection begins automatically at creation, though you're right that it's most common for the year of the copyright notice to read the year of the first publication of the work. Cheers, Paul Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Paul Crovella wrote: Use the date of creation of the work - i.e. the year you took the picture. This reasoning is problematic and/or simplistic. Copyright is a way of protecting your authored works from illegal reproduction and establishing ownership. It has nothing to do with when you created a work, it has everything to do with when you released it for public consumption. If you made a negative in 1963 but didn't print it and offer it to the public until 2007, and copyrighted it as 1962, the copyright protections are already expired ... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Paul Crovella wrote: Use the date of creation of the work - i.e. the year you took the picture. This reasoning is problematic and/or simplistic. Copyright is a way of protecting your authored works from illegal reproduction and establishing ownership. It has nothing to do with when you created a work, it has everything to do with when you released it for public consumption. If you made a negative in 1963 but didn't print it and offer it to the public until 2007, and copyrighted it as 1962, the copyright protections are already expired ... Godfrey That's only correct in the US for works created prior to 1964 which did not have their copyright registered renewed. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 03:53:26PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So: what do _you_ do when adding a copyright notice to a new scan of an old photo? And, if you have the time: why? -- Glenn I include both dates; the date of original image capture, and the date when I prepared the image. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Which copyright date to put on a scan?
I donno the current legal requirement, but since copyright now is until 75 years after the photographers death, shouldn't you use the date you plan on dying. GRIN! It would take an essay to explain why, but I personally think copyrights and patents ought to only be seven years these days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
