Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
You misread my comment, I am not saying that the Red Camera is not worth what it costs, but that compared to an ENG (Electronic News Gathering) Camera it is not a complete camera, hence the seemingly low price. It is only one module of a modular system, buy the time you add all the modules you will have a lot more money into it than you would think at first. Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/09/2007, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the things that folks may not be realizing is that except for its high resolution this thing is more like a security camera than an ENG camera. You can buy a color security camera the size of a pack of cigarettes these days for $50-100. That kind of puts the $17,500 in perspective. In concept maybe but to house the somewhat larger and more complex opto-electronics and associated drivers, clocks, ADCs, LUTs, buffers and compression ASICs I'm sure it's still pretty good value. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 23/09/2007, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You misread my comment, I am not saying that the Red Camera is not worth what it costs, but that compared to an ENG (Electronic News Gathering) Camera it is not a complete camera, hence the seemingly low price. It is only one module of a modular system, buy the time you add all the modules you will have a lot more money into it than you would think at first. I don't think it should be compared to an ENG camera, that's why I compared it to the cheap Arri which would be it's film peer earlier on, it's only US$150k or so. Overall I'd say production costs would be so low that people could afford to actually buy their cameras rather than rent. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
One of the things that folks may not be realizing is that except for its high resolution this thing is more like a security camera than an ENG camera. You can buy a color security camera the size of a pack of cigarettes these days for $50-100. That kind of puts the $17,500 in perspective. Brendan MacRae wrote: --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can't be as compact as it appears, the camera itself may be small, but I'll bet reasonable storage and power will have you tied down with anchors. No, not at all. In fact, even if this camera were loaded up with handles and matte box and batteries and such, it would be smaller than even the smallest 35mm film sound cameras (those for shoulder shooting and Steadicam). It would probably be around the size of a good 16mm camera...which is night and day compared to a 35mm camera plus magazine, lens, matte box, focus rails and so on. In any event, it will be much lighter than film gear which makes all the difference. Plus, no changing film which takes time, no gate checks, and no worry about tungsten and daylight light sources. Just WB and shoot! It's a huge time saver. -Brendan Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 22/09/2007, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the things that folks may not be realizing is that except for its high resolution this thing is more like a security camera than an ENG camera. You can buy a color security camera the size of a pack of cigarettes these days for $50-100. That kind of puts the $17,500 in perspective. In concept maybe but to house the somewhat larger and more complex opto-electronics and associated drivers, clocks, ADCs, LUTs, buffers and compression ASICs I'm sure it's still pretty good value. ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/20 Thu AM 03:48:11 GMT To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps A friend of mine who is the president of a digital video company turned me on to something new tonight. This camera system promises to make some big waves in Hollywood, and beyond. http://www.red.com/cameras/photo_tour -Brendan This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:00, mike wilson wrote: This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:00, mike wilson wrote: This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? The body alone is $17,500 US. The least expensive lens they have listed is a 300/2.8 for $4,950. http://www.red.com/store I'm ordering mine right now! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 21/09/2007, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? Not too bad in the scheme of things, US$17,500 sans accessories: http://www.red.com/store An Arricam lite 35mm film body lists at only US$151,500 -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
Processing requirements quickly become huge. understatementTo make this small enough to be hand held is very, very expensive./understatement Power usage is probably exponential. I've looked at their web site, they seem to be rather short on specifics as to data storage and battery/power requirements. I expect this to be tethered by rather large cables to a data storage device and a large array of batteries, or maybe the power gird of a small country, (maybe Albania is for rent). mike wilson wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/20 Thu AM 03:48:11 GMT To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps A friend of mine who is the president of a digital video company turned me on to something new tonight. This camera system promises to make some big waves in Hollywood, and beyond. http://www.red.com/cameras/photo_tour -Brendan This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
Alright I finaly looked at their store, and looked at their storage page, they're selling 8gb CF cards, and a multi card box to house them. Anybody want to do the math and figure out how many seconds of their videoout put you can store on an 8gb card? (Taint much I'll wager). Digital Image Studio wrote: On 21/09/2007, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? Not too bad in the scheme of things, US$17,500 sans accessories: http://www.red.com/store An Arricam lite 35mm film body lists at only US$151,500 -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
If you have to ask, you can't afford it. Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:00, mike wilson wrote: This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 20/09/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: The body alone is $17,500 US. The least expensive lens they have listed is a 300/2.8 for $4,950. http://www.red.com/store I'm ordering mine right now! I'm slightly sceptical about the lenses. I have a mid-range lens used for (standard def) news and that cost $8,000. HD lenses from Canon are several times that figure. Low prices would worry me if I were a director looking into hiring kit. Then again, directors don't choose equipment. They decide on format with producer/studio and then hire chief individuals (ADs, DoP, etc) and they may then help with decisions on where to hire kit from. What a lot of faffing about ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
I was also a little incredulous about them making their own lenses. I thought that was really unusual. However, the camera and lens are standard PL mount so you can use any PL mount lens on the body. God, I would love to use that little camera on a Steadicam Provid. It's the perfect size. -Brendan --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/09/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: The body alone is $17,500 US. The least expensive lens they have listed is a 300/2.8 for $4,950. http://www.red.com/store I'm ordering mine right now! I'm slightly sceptical about the lenses. I have a mid-range lens used for (standard def) news and that cost $8,000. HD lenses from Canon are several times that figure. Low prices would worry me if I were a director looking into hiring kit. Then again, directors don't choose equipment. They decide on format with producer/studio and then hire chief individuals (ADs, DoP, etc) and they may then help with decisions on where to hire kit from. What a lot of faffing about ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
I'll bet that with lenses support accessories memory etc you could hit 100k pretty quickly. While the idea that most 35mm movie equipment may be overpriced has struck me, the fact that this is so, so much less expensive would give most purchasers pause, after all a digital still camera is more expensive than the film equivalent, how can this be so cheap? Brendan MacRae wrote: I believe the body alone is only around $18KUS. -Brendan --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have to ask, you can't afford it. Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:00, mike wilson wrote: This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
I believe the body alone is only around $18KUS. -Brendan --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have to ask, you can't afford it. Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:00, mike wilson wrote: This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll bet that with lenses support accessories memory etc you could hit 100k pretty quickly. While the idea that most 35mm movie equipment may be overpriced has struck me, the fact that this is so, so much less expensive would give most purchasers pause, after all a digital still camera is more expensive than the film equivalent, how can this be so cheap? Simple: only production companies and the occasional DP will actually buy a 35mm motion picture camera. Most DP's only buy a few good lenses. Many rent everything they need. Also, the comanies that make movie gear are very few so they can charge whatever they want. There's nowhere else to go. Virtually everything you see in theatres today (or on television) is shot with Panavision gear, Arriflex, or one of the other smaller companies. Aslo, motion picture cameras are much more complex mechanically. They have crystal controled motors and intricate, finely machined moving parts in the film path. They also have to be sound proof. That stuff adds thousands to the manufacturing process. If this camera can hold it's own, it'll be interesting to see where the industry goes. I may (hopefully) get a chance to see one close up soon. The owner of my buddy's company has one on order fingers crossed. -Brendan Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
--- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/20 Thu AM 03:48:11 GMT To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps A friend of mine who is the president of a digital video company turned me on to something new tonight. This camera system promises to make some big waves in Hollywood, and beyond. http://www.red.com/cameras/photo_tour -Brendan This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Probably because it's a completely different recording technology. It's a Wavelet-based codec. It records to an onboard removeable hard drive or, get this ...Compact Flash! -Brendan Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright I finaly looked at their store, and looked at their storage page, they're selling 8gb CF cards, and a multi card box to house them. Anybody want to do the math and figure out how many seconds of their videoout put you can store on an 8gb card? (Taint much I'll wager). Well, it would depend on what resolution you're shooting at. However, they also have 320GB removeable hard drives for storage. That's a lot of video. -Brendan Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
The HD for Indies blog has had a fair bit up about this. Recording is to tethered HDD's (which are smallish in size) and power is not a massive issue. But it's not a camcorder. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Processing requirements quickly become huge. understatementTo make this small enough to be hand held is very, very expensive./understatement Power usage is probably exponential. I've looked at their web site, they seem to be rather short on specifics as to data storage and battery/power requirements. I expect this to be tethered by rather large cables to a data storage device and a large array of batteries, or maybe the power gird of a small country, (maybe Albania is for rent). mike wilson wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/20 Thu AM 03:48:11 GMT To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps A friend of mine who is the president of a digital video company turned me on to something new tonight. This camera system promises to make some big waves in Hollywood, and beyond. http://www.red.com/cameras/photo_tour -Brendan This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
It is not all that cheap. You buy an SLR you get everything but the lens. You buy this you get the sensor and electronics. Everything else is an up. Need a viewfinder? A few more thousand is all it costs. Need a battery pack and charger? Add another few thousand. Get the idea? Probably a working system is in the $50K range which is not out of line with similar high-res video cameras. Then, as far as I know, they sell direct, no distributer and retailer profit in the price. So, not cheap, but not outrageous either. P. J. Alling wrote: I'll bet that with lenses support accessories memory etc you could hit 100k pretty quickly. While the idea that most 35mm movie equipment may be overpriced has struck me, the fact that this is so, so much less expensive would give most purchasers pause, after all a digital still camera is more expensive than the film equivalent, how can this be so cheap? Brendan MacRae wrote: I believe the body alone is only around $18KUS. -Brendan --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have to ask, you can't afford it. Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:00, mike wilson wrote: This operation was brought up some time ago. I asked than and ask now, If they can buffer 24fps indefinitely, how come we are stuck with a measly dozen or so at maybe 2fps? Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
You're calculation comes out a little higher than mine, but hey it's video, who knows what sort of encoding they might or might not be using. This still looks way to inexpensive for what is arguably a custom system. Even if memory requirements are really really high. graywolf wrote: Roughly, at the 2mp low res setting about 1 minute, and about 10 seconds at 12mp. That is figuring 25fps. P. J. Alling wrote: Alright I finaly looked at their store, and looked at their storage page, they're selling 8gb CF cards, and a multi card box to house them. Anybody want to do the math and figure out how many seconds of their videoout put you can store on an 8gb card? (Taint much I'll wager). Digital Image Studio wrote: On 21/09/2007, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? Not too bad in the scheme of things, US$17,500 sans accessories: http://www.red.com/store An Arricam lite 35mm film body lists at only US$151,500 -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
P. J. Alling wrote: I'll bet that with lenses support accessories memory etc you could hit 100k pretty quickly. While the idea that most 35mm movie equipment may be overpriced has struck me, the fact that this is so, so much less expensive would give most purchasers pause, after all a digital still camera is more expensive than the film equivalent, how can this be so cheap? You are beginning to see my point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
It can't be as compact as it appears, the camera itself may be small, but I'll bet reasonable storage and power will have you tied down with anchors. mike wilson wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I'll bet that with lenses support accessories memory etc you could hit 100k pretty quickly. While the idea that most 35mm movie equipment may be overpriced has struck me, the fact that this is so, so much less expensive would give most purchasers pause, after all a digital still camera is more expensive than the film equivalent, how can this be so cheap? You are beginning to see my point. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
Roughly, at the 2mp low res setting about 1 minute, and about 10 seconds at 12mp. That is figuring 25fps. P. J. Alling wrote: Alright I finaly looked at their store, and looked at their storage page, they're selling 8gb CF cards, and a multi card box to house them. Anybody want to do the math and figure out how many seconds of their videoout put you can store on an 8gb card? (Taint much I'll wager). Digital Image Studio wrote: On 21/09/2007, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answer: Because no individual DSLR owner wants to pay what it would cost, nor carry what it would weigh! (That's my best guess anyways) I didn't read the article, but what does equipment with that kind of capabilities cost? Not too bad in the scheme of things, US$17,500 sans accessories: http://www.red.com/store An Arricam lite 35mm film body lists at only US$151,500 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 21/09/2007, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can't be as compact as it appears, the camera itself may be small, but I'll bet reasonable storage and power will have you tied down with anchors. No more so than a pro 35mm movie cam or a pro video tape cam set-up IMO, Cotty? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 21/09/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: No more so than a pro 35mm movie cam or a pro video tape cam set-up IMO, Cotty? Possibly more. News cameras like mine are fairly transportable. Lens, camera, viewfinder, radio mic receiver, battery, and interview mic aboard and your talking 24 lbs on the shoulder. Carrying the tripod as well, that weighs a bit less at about 18 lbs (carbon fibre sticks), and then a few bits and bobs in the vest pockets. Never stray too far from the truck though - if i do, then another bag of goodies comes along, and that's not possible to carry by 1 person. Lights? In the truck. That's why the truck goes where I go :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can't be as compact as it appears, the camera itself may be small, but I'll bet reasonable storage and power will have you tied down with anchors. No, not at all. In fact, even if this camera were loaded up with handles and matte box and batteries and such, it would be smaller than even the smallest 35mm film sound cameras (those for shoulder shooting and Steadicam). It would probably be around the size of a good 16mm camera...which is night and day compared to a 35mm camera plus magazine, lens, matte box, focus rails and so on. In any event, it will be much lighter than film gear which makes all the difference. Plus, no changing film which takes time, no gate checks, and no worry about tungsten and daylight light sources. Just WB and shoot! It's a huge time saver. -Brendan Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps
On 20/09/2007, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the quotes on the home page. One of the guys is inter-cutting film with digital. Everything is changing. Of course they've been doing this for a while just not at this type of res. I visited their page in Oct 06 and all that was available were low res movies and some still samples, seems like they've actually got it out there now, that's pretty good. Regardless of the initial cost of the machine and storage I'm sure it wouldn't take long production for it to be more economical than film. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
