Re: OT DVD RAM
There are many artificial restrictions built into the DVD specification. I don't know them all, but I wouldn't be surprised if the spec. included a prohibition on using a dvd that had been recorded in a dedicated video device, from being recognized by a DVD recorder in a computer, to "protect" against piracy. mike wilson wrote: > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > understand are re-recordable. > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will not > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > recognise them. > > Any suggestions? > > -- All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. Therefore, my cat is a dog. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
On 18/06/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > understand are re-recordable. > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will not > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > recognise them. > > Any suggestions? So far as I know normal DVD+R or -R drives often (always?) don't recognise DVD-RAM discs. As to re-recording, my understanding is that you just treat them like a normal hard disc, deleting files as normal, or adding more. Some more info here: http://tinyurl.com/d9xqa Eric. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
I have a Panasonic DVD RAM drive in my computer which will also burn DVD-R or DVD+R and also CDR and CDRW..The RAM disc is just like a 5 1/4 optical drive, meaning you can erase it over and overJoe At 06:20 PM 6/18/07, you wrote: >On 18/06/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > > understand are re-recordable. > > > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will not > > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > > recognise them. > > > > Any suggestions? > >So far as I know normal DVD+R or -R drives often (always?) don't >recognise DVD-RAM discs. As to re-recording, my understanding is that >you just treat them like a normal hard disc, deleting files as normal, >or adding more. Some more info here: >http://tinyurl.com/d9xqa > >Eric. > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
On 18.06.2007, at 23:42 , mike wilson wrote: > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > understand are re-recordable. > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will > not > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > recognise them. > > Any suggestions? Mike, there is usually an option to erase each title somewhere in menu of the recorder. At least it is done that way in my Panasonic DVD recorder. But you should have an option to format entire DVD-RAM disc also, just you have to check all menu options once again :-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
> > From: J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue AM 01:57:39 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > I have a Panasonic DVD RAM drive in my computer which will also burn > DVD-R or DVD+R and also CDR and CDRW..The RAM disc is just like a 5 > 1/4 optical drive, meaning you can erase it over and overJoe Thanks for the replies. I will try a blank RAM disk in the computer tonight to see if it will recognise an empty one. When it doesn't I'll go and buy some blank disks. 8-) Anyone want DVDs of the British Superbike and MotoGP to date? > > > > At 06:20 PM 6/18/07, you wrote: > >On 18/06/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > > > understand are re-recordable. > > > > > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will not > > > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > > > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > > > recognise them. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > >So far as I know normal DVD+R or -R drives often (always?) don't > >recognise DVD-RAM discs. As to re-recording, my understanding is that > >you just treat them like a normal hard disc, deleting files as normal, > >or adding more. Some more info here: > >http://tinyurl.com/d9xqa > > > >Eric. > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >PDML@pdml.net > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
> > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue AM 07:26:15 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > On 18.06.2007, at 23:42 , mike wilson wrote: > > > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > > understand are re-recordable. > > > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will > > not > > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > > recognise them. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Mike, there is usually an option to erase each title somewhere in > menu of the recorder. At least it is done that way in my Panasonic > DVD recorder. But you should have an option to format entire DVD-RAM > disc also, just you have to check all menu options once again :-) That's my plan for this evening. 8-( I've had quite a good look but there does not seem to be any "erase" or "format" option. On another topic entirely, will be in Polska from 13th to 24th august. I have a small but beautifully appointed apartment in Krakow, with spare beds, if anyone wishes to visit. The weekend in the middle is already taken, so if you turn up then it's the floor or a bench in the Planty. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
Interesting, you sure your drive will handle DVD-RAM? What software are you using to burn it? Nero and Roxio do have an option to erase the disk. If you are using Windows built-in stuff, who knows. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- mike wilson wrote: >> From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2007/06/19 Tue AM 07:26:15 GMT >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM >> >> On 18.06.2007, at 23:42 , mike wilson wrote: >> >>> I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I >>> understand are re-recordable. >>> >>> Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will >>> not >>> automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of >>> formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not >>> recognise them. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >> Mike, there is usually an option to erase each title somewhere in >> menu of the recorder. At least it is done that way in my Panasonic >> DVD recorder. But you should have an option to format entire DVD-RAM >> disc also, just you have to check all menu options once again :-) > > That's my plan for this evening. 8-( I've had quite a good look but > there does not seem to be any "erase" or "format" option. > > On another topic entirely, will be in Polska from 13th to 24th august. I > have a small but beautifully appointed apartment in Krakow, with spare beds, > if anyone wishes to visit. The weekend in the middle is already taken, so if > you turn up then it's the floor or a bench in the Planty. > > > - > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
On 6/19/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting, you sure your drive will handle DVD-RAM? What software are you > using to >burn it? Nero and Roxio do have an option to erase the disk. If you > are using Windows >built-in stuff, who knows. > I may be wrong, but AFAIK a DVD-RAM can be used without any special software, just like a harddisk. -- Best regards, Alex Sarbu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
> > From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 01:32:31 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > Interesting, you sure your drive will handle DVD-RAM? What software are you > using to burn it? Nero and Roxio do have an option to erase the disk. If you > are using Windows built-in stuff, who knows. I didn't fire up Nero, just looked in Exploder and it said "put a disk in, stupid" or something to that effect. IOW, the disc was not visible to the file manager. I'll try Nero tonight. Will also perm all I can from the DVD recorder controls to see if I have missed something. The machine doing the recording is a Panasonic Digibox/DVD recorder. This takes digital TV and radio signals and converts them to analogue which then goes through another black box to get the SCART output to RF, because my TV is from another millenium. Allied to the DVDR, it's the easiest machine I've ever used to record TV. Go into the week-ahead digital guide (one button press), find the programme you want to record, press the buttons as guided onscreen and walk away. > > > mike wilson wrote: > >> From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: 2007/06/19 Tue AM 07:26:15 GMT > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > >> > >> On 18.06.2007, at 23:42 , mike wilson wrote: > >> > >>> I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > >>> understand are re-recordable. > >>> > >>> Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will > >>> not > >>> automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > >>> formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > >>> recognise them. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions? > >> Mike, there is usually an option to erase each title somewhere in > >> menu of the recorder. At least it is done that way in my Panasonic > >> DVD recorder. But you should have an option to format entire DVD-RAM > >> disc also, just you have to check all menu options once again :-) > > > > That's my plan for this evening. 8-( I've had quite a good look but > > there does not seem to be any "erase" or "format" option. > > > > On another topic entirely, will be in Polska from 13th to 24th august. I > > have a small but beautifully appointed apartment in Krakow, with spare > > beds, if anyone wishes to visit. The weekend in the middle is already > > taken, so if you turn up then it's the floor or a bench in the Planty. > > > > > > - > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > From: "Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 01:47:33 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > On 6/19/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting, you sure your drive will handle DVD-RAM? What software are you > > using to >burn it? Nero and Roxio do have an option to erase the disk. If > > you are using Windows >built-in stuff, who knows. > > > > I may be wrong, but AFAIK a DVD-RAM can be used without any special > software, just like a harddisk. Maybe if you load it empty but I think my DVD recorder is formatting these in a way that is incompatible with PC use. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
On my Panasonic DVD recorder, I can delete through DVD management menu, or in the navigator by pressing submenu. dk On 6/19/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue AM 07:26:15 GMT > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > > > On 18.06.2007, at 23:42 , mike wilson wrote: > > > > > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > > > understand are re-recordable. > > > > > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will > > > not > > > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > > > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > > > recognise them. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Mike, there is usually an option to erase each title somewhere in > > menu of the recorder. At least it is done that way in my Panasonic > > DVD recorder. But you should have an option to format entire DVD-RAM > > disc also, just you have to check all menu options once again :-) > > That's my plan for this evening. 8-( I've had quite a good look but > there does not seem to be any "erase" or "format" option. > > On another topic entirely, will be in Polska from 13th to 24th august. I > have a small but beautifully appointed apartment in Krakow, with spare beds, > if anyone wishes to visit. The weekend in the middle is already taken, so if > you turn up then it's the floor or a bench in the Planty. > > > - > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks. I found it eventually. It's four layers down in an obscure part of the menu. Not helped by the two pages dealing with disc management in the manual having become stuck together during guillotining.. > > From: "Dave Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 03:33:33 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > On my Panasonic DVD recorder, I can delete through DVD management > menu, or in the navigator by pressing submenu. > > dk > > On 6/19/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue AM 07:26:15 GMT > > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > > > > > On 18.06.2007, at 23:42 , mike wilson wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a DVD recorder which came with some DVD RAM discs, which I > > > > understand are re-recordable. > > > > > > > > Having used some of them once I now want to re-use them. They will > > > > not > > > > automatically record over what is on them but I can't see any way of > > > > formatting them in the DVD recorder. My computer DVD drive does not > > > > recognise them. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Mike, there is usually an option to erase each title somewhere in > > > menu of the recorder. At least it is done that way in my Panasonic > > > DVD recorder. But you should have an option to format entire DVD-RAM > > > disc also, just you have to check all menu options once again :-) > > > > That's my plan for this evening. 8-( I've had quite a good look but > > there does not seem to be any "erase" or "format" option. > > > > On another topic entirely, will be in Polska from 13th to 24th august. I > > have a small but beautifully appointed apartment in Krakow, with spare > > beds, if anyone wishes to visit. The weekend in the middle is already > > taken, so if you turn up then it's the floor or a bench in the Planty. > > > > > > - > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > -- > http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy > Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT DVD RAM
> > From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 02:10:50 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > > > > > From: "Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 01:47:33 GMT > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > > > On 6/19/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Interesting, you sure your drive will handle DVD-RAM? What software are > > > you using to >burn it? Nero and Roxio do have an option to erase the > > > disk. If you are using Windows >built-in stuff, who knows. > > > > > > > I may be wrong, but AFAIK a DVD-RAM can be used without any special > > software, just like a harddisk. > > Maybe if you load it empty but I think my DVD recorder is formatting these in > a way that is incompatible with PC use. > Definitely seems to be the case. Using a modern version of Nero, the option to format or erase is greyed out. The PC (or drive) just does not recognise that there is a disc present. The drive is a new Philips 8x rewriter. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20.06.2007, at 09:30 , mike wilson wrote: > Definitely seems to be the case. Using a modern version of Nero, > the option to format or erase is greyed out. The PC (or drive) > just does not recognise that there is a disc present. The drive is > a new Philips 8x rewriter. I really don't understand why Sony and Philips are pushing this way using of their lesser rewriting technology - I mean DVD-RW, which contrary to DVD-RAM standard is less durable (1000 write cycles vs 100.000), less user friendly (-RAM unlike -RW can be used just like a removable disk) and less reliable (-RAM verifies recording directly during write, -RW needs separate verify process after writing entire disc). That's too bad :-( Fortunately most of the manufacturers (LG, Samsung, Pioneer, Lite-on) makes their drives perfectly compatible with -RAM discs. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 07:47:20 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT DVD RAM > > On 20.06.2007, at 09:30 , mike wilson wrote: > > > Definitely seems to be the case. Using a modern version of Nero, > > the option to format or erase is greyed out. The PC (or drive) > > just does not recognise that there is a disc present. The drive is > > a new Philips 8x rewriter. > > I really don't understand why Sony and Philips are pushing this way > using of their lesser rewriting technology - I mean DVD-RW, which > contrary to DVD-RAM standard is less durable (1000 write cycles vs > 100.000), less user friendly (-RAM unlike -RW can be used just like a > removable disk) and less reliable (-RAM verifies recording directly > during write, -RW needs separate verify process after writing entire > disc). That's too bad :-( Fortunately most of the manufacturers (LG, > Samsung, Pioneer, Lite-on) makes their drives perfectly compatible > with -RAM discs. > Cholera.. 8-) - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
