Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[John Sessoms]

Somewhere up-thread someone suggested creating a PDML group on facebook.

I was commenting I wouldn't see such a group if it was created on 
facebook because I don't use facebook.


On 1/13/2023 6:01 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

I have bad news for you John. There is no PDML group there on FB. The PDML is 
right here!!

There is a separate thing - a test - maybe an ‘extension’, maybe not, called 
the PDFG that has 27 members and quite a disturbing amount of cormorant 
photographs.

But I’ll shut up about it now as I don’t want to upset any folk here. The PDML 
will be what the PDML wants to be :-)

Cotty



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so I wouldn't see a PDML group there
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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[John Sessoms]

Yeah. I don't have a facebook account because I don't want a facebook 
account.


I already have too many ways to waste time on the internet without 
adding facebook to them.


On 1/13/2023 5:57 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

John I have an amazing suggestion that you might consider.

Go to Facebook, and click on ‘create account’ and once you reach the part where 
it wants you to enter your name, why not stick an anagram in, or just make a 
name up? You could use the account then as basically a spoof just to view 
things.

Or maybe I’m missing the point here…
Best

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Facebook is fine, but I don't have an account
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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[Steve Cottrell]

I have bad news for you John. There is no PDML group there on FB. The PDML is 
right here!!

There is a separate thing - a test - maybe an ‘extension’, maybe not, called 
the PDFG that has 27 members and quite a disturbing amount of cormorant 
photographs.

But I’ll shut up about it now as I don’t want to upset any folk here. The PDML 
will be what the PDML wants to be :-)

Cotty



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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[Steve Cottrell]

John I have an amazing suggestion that you might consider.

Go to Facebook, and click on ‘create account’ and once you reach the part where 
it wants you to enter your name, why not stick an anagram in, or just make a 
name up? You could use the account then as basically a spoof just to view 
things.

Or maybe I’m missing the point here…
Best

Cot



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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[John Sessoms]

Usenet is also pretty much *DEAD*. The discussion groups have all been 
long ago over-run by TROLLS. There's really no chance of discussing 
anything there.


I was just goofing when I suggested it. 

Facebook is fine, but I don't have an account, so I wouldn't see a PDML 
group there. Hopefully the mail list will continue to suffice.


On 1/10/2023 10:02 PM, Comcast wrote:

I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now 
somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and 
consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.

Paul


On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:




On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast  wrote:

Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the 
like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather 
inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.


I resemble that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the 
internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent.  One could also 
say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email 
via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage 
email as something that people used to do over their phones.

Hmm, the more things change…

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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[John Sessoms]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

A lot of colleges & universities provided students with "news" accounts.

See also: Eternal September

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Eternal%20September

I got a job with a computer company in November 1994 and they introduced 
me to the internet. Before that I had used dial-up message boards (BBS 
systems) and Usenet was very similar. Nowadays that function is kind of 
served by BLOG comments (those blogs that still allow comments).


Many ISPs did away with their "news" servers in the mid-2000s. Time 
Warner did in 2006. Losing those discussion groups was kind of what led 
me to PDML.


But Usenet is mostly dead now, although there is still a good binaries 
group where fans will post Dr Who episodes.


PS: Fun Fact - Usenet was originally invented by a couple of CS grad 
students at Duke University in Durham, NC where I grew up ... so they 
could trade messages with CS grad students over at UNC in Chapel Hill.


On 1/10/2023 5:07 PM, Comcast wrote:

Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the 
like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather 
inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.

Paul


On Jan 10, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

If I knew what a UseNet was it might help ;-)

The PDFG now has 25 members and is an extension of this list - not a 
replacement! I will try and drive traffic to the list where I can, and promote 
the PUG, but to be honest it’s mostly PDML members.

Sent from my flu-ridden bed!

Cot


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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

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> On 11/01/2023 06:37 Larry Colen  wrote:
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>  
> > On Jan 10, 2023, at 10:15 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > A bang path sounds a bit scary, just to get your email.  Or maybe it's a 
> > bit pleasurable.
> 
> I take it you never went to an “at bang party”.

5th.
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> On Jan 10, 2023, at 10:15 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> A bang path sounds a bit scary, just to get your email.  Or maybe it's a bit 
> pleasurable.

I take it you never went to an “at bang party”.


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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

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> On 11/01/2023 01:28 Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>  
> > On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> > 
> > Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and 
> > the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
> > internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
> > access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s 
> > rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of 
> > honor.
> 
> I resemble that.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> 
> I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the 
> internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent.  One could also 
> say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its 
> email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to 
> disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.

A bang path sounds a bit scary, just to get your email.  Or maybe it's a bit 
pleasurable.

You're right.

> Hmm, the more things change…
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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now 
> somewhat obscure.

I took no offense, besides in this group “old and now somewhat obscure” 
probably comes off as a glowing recommendation.

> Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and consequently, the 
> continuous refinement of email apps.

And has suffered from the same prevalence of spam that took down usenet.  
Coincidentally, the one other email list that I frequent is a group of friends 
that I met on a usenet group, which also  had some of the best writers I know.  


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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I was on Usenet starting in 1984 when I was working at JPL/NASA. The modern 
hypertext-based internet and "world wide web" dates from around 1993 when the 
first web browsers started to appear. That's about when I stopped looking at 
Usenet and other archaic-isms from the 1980s. Email lists became popular a 
little earlier than the web browsers, and many of the groups I still 
participate in are still on email services that were first defined in 1990 and 
1991. 

G

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now 
> somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and 
> consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and 
>>> the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
>>> internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
>>> access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s 
>>> rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of 
>>> honor.
>> 
>> I resemble that.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>> 
>> I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to 
>> the internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent.  One could 
>> also say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get 
>> its email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to 
>> disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.
>> 
>> Hmm, the more things change…
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[Comcast]

I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now 
somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and 
consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.

Paul

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast  wrote:
>> 
>> Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and 
>> the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
>> internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
>> access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s 
>> rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.
> 
> I resemble that.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> 
> I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the 
> internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent.  One could also 
> say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its 
> email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to 
> disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.
> 
> Hmm, the more things change…
> 
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[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and 
> the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
> internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
> access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s 
> rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.

I resemble that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the 
internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent.  One could also 
say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email 
via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage 
email as something that people used to do over their phones.

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[Comcast]

Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the 
like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather 
inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.

Paul

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> If I knew what a UseNet was it might help ;-)
> 
> The PDFG now has 25 members and is an extension of this list - not a 
> replacement! I will try and drive traffic to the list where I can, and 
> promote the PUG, but to be honest it’s mostly PDML members.
> 
> Sent from my flu-ridden bed!
> 
> Cot
> 
> 
> On 10 Jan 2023, at 21:27, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> What about starting a Pentax UseNet group?
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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[Steve Cottrell]

If I knew what a UseNet was it might help ;-)

The PDFG now has 25 members and is an extension of this list - not a 
replacement! I will try and drive traffic to the list where I can, and promote 
the PUG, but to be honest it’s mostly PDML members.

Sent from my flu-ridden bed!

Cot


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What about starting a Pentax UseNet group?

On 1/7/2023 12:24 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Thanks for the explanation Godders. Interesting!

Cot


On 7 Jan 2023, at 16:06, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

groups.io is email based … the groups.io server simply maintains the list of 
people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the 
list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An 
administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls 
for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty 
automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps.
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[John Sessoms]

I'd have to get a FB account, so none here.

On 1/6/2023 7:30 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion 
Facebook Group?

I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are posted 
daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is Meta, but 
if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just like camera 
gear…

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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Doug, 

You have my vote of confidence and support for the fine job you've been doing 
with PDML. And my thanks as well. :)

That said: The PDML server software is a bit primitive by modern standards. 
have you ever considered going to a modern mail server provider to enable users 
with much more modern systems to utilize rich text email as well as photo 
embedding into emails? 

I have been pleased with the performance of groups.io and their mail server 
services. Modern email facilities and seamless use for photo distribution 
without needing links and such… It's worth a thought about migrating PDML to 
something like that, if not them specifically. 

best,
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> On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> I've given up on FB. If y'all had rather have someone else in charge, please 
> let me know.
> 
> 
> On 1/6/23 7:30 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion 
>> Facebook Group?
>> 
>> I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are posted 
>> daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is Meta, 
>> but if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just like 
>> camera gear…
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> On 08/01/2023 00:31 David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
>  
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 6:13 PM Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> > I've given up on FB. If y'all had rather have someone else in charge,
> > please let me know.
> 
> 
> You’re doing a great job Doug
> 

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On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 6:13 PM Doug Brewer  wrote:

> I've given up on FB. If y'all had rather have someone else in charge,
> please let me know.


You’re doing a great job Doug

Dave

>
>
>
> On 1/6/23 7:30 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> > Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax
> Discussion Facebook Group?
> >
> > I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are
> posted daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is
> Meta, but if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just
> like camera gear…
> >
> > Best
> >
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Never in a thousand years!

:-)

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I've given up on FB. If y'all had rather have someone else in charge, 
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Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion 
Facebook Group?

I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are posted 
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Thanks for the explanation Godders. Interesting!

Cot


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people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the 
list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An 
administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls 
for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty 
automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps. 
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Hi Cotty,

groups.io is email based … the groups.io server simply maintains the list of 
people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the 
list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An 
administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls 
for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty 
automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps. 

When I login to my groups.io account, I can see all the groups I'm subscribed 
to, review posts to any of the groups, look for current topics in all the 
groups, see my activity across all the groups, etc. I normally don't login to 
the server very often at all: posts to any of my groups are sent to me as email 
and I respond to them as email replies, attaching whatever photos or links I 
want to distribute to the group. 

It's simple and easy. I helped move my "workshop reunion" group communications 
to it several years ago when the Yahoo groups went away… (that's the group of 
photographers who participated in the exhibition and photo book classes that i 
attended and participated in a decade ago). There have been zero complaints. 

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:01 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> There's also forumotion.com
> 
> Forums are not email based and there is usually a free image server 
> associated with each one, or you can link to your own hosting or a 
> proprietary image hoster.

I'll have to look at that one, mike. Forums pose a different kind of 
conversation than email lists, and a different cost/complexity structure in 
setup and management; it might also be useful and appropriate for various of my 
groups. Thanks!

Personally, I haven't maintained a personal, "portfolio" website or web server 
in a decade or so. I have found sufficient utility in using Flickr.com as 
master image hosting web server and have found my small participation in a 
couple of groups there has been 100% positive. If I did want to maintain my own 
portfolio website again, I'd probably go with Square Space rather than writing 
my site by hand the way I did last time. The technology has progressed since 
then… ;)

G

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:31 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email 
> based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like 
> Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look.
> 
> Cot
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and 
>> photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the 
>> PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three 
>> other photo groups to this service  and it's been 100% successful, including 
>> one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues. 
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There's also forumotion.com

Forums are not email based and there is usually a free image server associated 
with each one, or you can link to your own hosting or a proprietary image 
hoster.

> On 07/01/2023 10:31 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
>  
> Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email 
> based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like 
> Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look.
> 
> Cot
> 
> 
> On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and 
> photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the 
> PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three 
> other photo groups to this service  and it's been 100% successful, including 
> one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues. 
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Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email 
based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like 
Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look.

Cot


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If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo 
sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a 
modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo 
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I understand completely.

In bed with the devil has its moments tho!!

Cot


On 7 Jan 2023, at 01:42, Bill  wrote:

Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook.
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Aah - thanks Lar

Cot


On 7 Jan 2023, at 00:51, Larry Colen  wrote:

No, the Pentaxian group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/155414957979206
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[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 07.01.23 um 06:50 schrieb John Francis:


Not from me.  I don't (and won't) do facebook - I just find far too annoying.


Same here. Never have, never will.

I've seen a number of interesting discussion groups on audio-related
topics go that way and I still miss them.

Ralf

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Am 07.01.23 um 01:30 schrieb Steve Cottrell:

Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion 
Facebook Group?


No.

Ralf

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> On 07/01/2023 01:42 Bill  wrote:
> 
>  
> On 1/6/2023 6:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> > Oh really?
> >
> > Here’s a test:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/482940207253506
> >
> > See if it garners any interest…
> >
> > If not, it will be killed off.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Cotty
> Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook.

Nor me.  I like the fact that there is very little white noise here, even 
though thread drift is almost a requisite.  Without accepting that I am a 
victim of confirmation bias, it's no coincidence that the only other online 
forum that I frequent is a private, invitation only one.
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On Sat, Jan 07, 2023 at 12:30:07AM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion 
> Facebook Group?

Not from me.  I don't (and won't) do facebook - I just find far too annoying.

But there again I'm not doing a lot of Pentax stuff nowadays, either.
Probably the most interesting thing I'll do here is post a 'for sale'
list - I'm working up to selling my A* and FA* lenses (A* 300/2.8,
FA* 80-200/2.8 & 250-600/5.6) once I've worked out just how much 
(or how little) they should go for.

I'm holding on to the DA* zooms for a while (16-50, 50-135, 60-250),
and the K-5 still works just fine, but quite honestly I'll probably
rarely if ever use them again.
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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Personally, I detest FB. I only have an account there because there is a 
contingent of old friends who have seemingly lost the ability to communicate 
any other way ( including answering the telephone without messaging them on FB 
first...!). Ugh. I'm there, in essence, because I value my old friends more 
than I despise the medium of communications. 

Also, FB terms of service essentially give them 100% rights to use any 
photographs you post on their service any way they like in perpetuity with no 
compensation to photographers. I only post photos that I consider valueless 
there as a consequence. 

I've not found any motivation to participate in any of the photo groups I've 
tried there. There seems to be little real conversation of any depth in them. 

If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo 
sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a 
modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo 
groups to this service  and it's been 100% successful, including one that 
started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues. 

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

I think the idea has merit.

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 7:30 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion
> Facebook Group?
>
> I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are
> posted daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is
> Meta, but if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just
> like camera gear…
>
> Best
>
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> On Jan 6, 2023, at 6:15 PM,   wrote:
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> I use FB for other interests, and yes, it is far more active in the main.  
> Some groups may go a few days without a post, others multiple posts daily.
> Of course, Gen Z (or is it now Gen AA) decry FB, but I'm happy for them to 
> use their Tik-Tok etc and leave FB to us old fogies.
> I'd join a Pentax FB group like a shot, and might even post more images!

I used to post  event images to facebook, but they made some changes and if 
anything I’ll post a link. 

I use it out of necessity, but hate it with a luke warm passion.  It regularly 
makes me miss livejournal before it was bought by the Russians.

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I use FB for other interests, and yes, it is far more active in the main.  Some 
groups may go a few days without a post, others multiple posts daily.
Of course, Gen Z (or is it now Gen AA) decry FB, but I'm happy for them to use 
their Tik-Tok etc and leave FB to us old fogies.
I'd join a Pentax FB group like a shot, and might even post more images!


John in Brisbane



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Subject: PDML - PDFG ?

Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion 
Facebook Group?

I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are posted 
daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is Meta, but 
if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just like camera 
gear…

Best

Cotty
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On 1/6/2023 6:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Oh really?

Here’s a test:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/482940207253506

See if it garners any interest…

If not, it will be killed off.

Just a thought.

Cotty

Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook.

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> On Jan 6, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Which one - this one? 'Pentaxian Street photography’ ?

No, the Pentaxian group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/155414957979206


> 
> Cot
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> On 7 Jan 2023, at 00:34, David J Brooks  wrote:
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> There is a pentaxian fb group
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Which one - this one? 'Pentaxian Street photography’ ?

Cot


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There is a pentaxian fb group
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Oh really?

Here’s a test:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/482940207253506

See if it garners any interest…

If not, it will be killed off.

Just a thought.

Cotty


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There is a pentaxian fb group

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 7:30 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion
> Facebook Group?
>
> I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are
> posted daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is
> Meta, but if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just
> like camera gear…
>
> Best
>
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