Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[P.J. Alling]

See, now you have a plan.

On 5/18/2014 1:14 PM, John wrote:
Just as soon as The Doctor gets back with the TARDIS, I'll jump back 
to 1989 and do just that.


On 5/18/2014 12:47 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

There's only one way to decide this, somebody shoot the thing and send
it to a natural history museum for identification.  Must I think of
everything.

On 5/17/2014 9:36 PM, steve harley wrote:

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well
from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, 
but
note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the 
color.

Their size and chubbiness is similar

with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
familiarity backed with sources

first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live 
up to

their name with red extending along the side

as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
grey)

of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)













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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[Stanley Halpin]

Yes, a better image for sure! I’ll concede game set and match to Steve - Towhee 
it is. Thanks, Steve, for expanding my repertoire.   

stan

On 18 May 2014, at 13:12, John  wrote:

> On 5/17/2014 9:36 PM, steve harley wrote:
>> On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>> Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well
>>> from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but
>>> note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
>>> Their size and chubbiness is similar
>> 
>> with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
>> familiarity backed with sources
>> 
>> first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
>> search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
>> concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live up to
>> their name with red extending along the side
>> 
>> as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
>> the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
>> grey)
>> 
>> of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> The beak is kind of grey.
> 
> I got two frames of it. Here's the other one. You can see the beak a
> little better & where the red is on the side & maybe how much it creeps
> around to the front (or not) ... if that helps:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14027832057/
> 
> This actually might be a slightly better image of it.
> 
> The magenta cast might be an artifact of the scan software's "restore
> color" & "restore fading" functions. I tried it both ways & the image
> that resulted from not using them was horribly washed out, but when I do
> use them the image is over-saturated.
> 
> 
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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[steve harley]

on 2014-05-17 19:59 Ann Sanfedele wrote

apologies


thank you and accepted, but really, no need to apologize — would that the birds 
knew we pursued their identities with zeal


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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[John]

Just as soon as The Doctor gets back with the TARDIS, I'll jump back to 
1989 and do just that.


On 5/18/2014 12:47 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

There's only one way to decide this, somebody shoot the thing and send
it to a natural history museum for identification.  Must I think of
everything.

On 5/17/2014 9:36 PM, steve harley wrote:

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well
from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but
note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
Their size and chubbiness is similar

with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
familiarity backed with sources

first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live up to
their name with red extending along the side

as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
grey)

of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)










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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[John]

On 5/17/2014 9:36 PM, steve harley wrote:

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well
from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but
note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
Their size and chubbiness is similar


with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
familiarity backed with sources

first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live up to
their name with red extending along the side

as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
grey)

of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)







The beak is kind of grey.

I got two frames of it. Here's the other one. You can see the beak a
little better & where the red is on the side & maybe how much it creeps
around to the front (or not) ... if that helps:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14027832057/

This actually might be a slightly better image of it.

The magenta cast might be an artifact of the scan software's "restore
color" & "restore fading" functions. I tried it both ways & the image
that resulted from not using them was horribly washed out, but when I do
use them the image is over-saturated.


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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[P.J. Alling]

There's only one way to decide this, somebody shoot the thing and send 
it to a natural history museum for identification.  Must I think of 
everything.


On 5/17/2014 9:36 PM, steve harley wrote:

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well
from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but
note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
Their size and chubbiness is similar

with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
familiarity backed with sources

first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live up to
their name with red extending along the side

as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
grey)

of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)








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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[Ann Sanfedele]

apologies - my dyslexia is extending to birdies now..
ann


On 5/17/2014 21:36, steve harley wrote:

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well
from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but
note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
Their size and chubbiness is similar


with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
familiarity backed with sources

first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live up to
their name with red extending along the side

as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
grey)

of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)







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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[steve harley]

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 18:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well 
> from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but
> note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
> Their size and chubbiness is similar

with due respect, i am going to stick to my ID, which was from
familiarity backed with sources

first tip off for me was the red color is on the side, google image
search, plus ibird pro app, show all RB grosbeaks with white sides, red
concentrated to the front and center breast, while RS towhees live up to
their name with red extending along the side

as for the beak, the color in the photo is oversaturated, but i think
the beak is black; pinkish legs are also indicative (the grosbeak has
grey)

of many sources, these are pretty clear (scroll down to the photos)





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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[Ann Sanfedele]

Nope _ Stan had it - Rose-breasted grosbreak.  The towee I know well 
from Maine (and elsewhere) .  Confusion understandable at a glance, but

note the very white bit on his front and the magenta tone to the color.
Their size and chubbiness is similar

ann


On 5/17/2014 19:48, steve harley wrote:



On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 11:49, John wrote:


All I know for sure is it's not a Cardinal and I'm pretty sure it's not
a Robin.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14226796993/


that would be a rufus sided towhee; used to hear them scratching around
in scrubby woodlands in Maine much more than i ever saw them; after 25+
years in Colorado i finally saw them here a couple of times



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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[steve harley]

On Sat, May 17, 2014, at 11:49, John wrote:
> 
> All I know for sure is it's not a Cardinal and I'm pretty sure it's not 
> a Robin.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14226796993/

that would be a rufus sided towhee; used to hear them scratching around
in scrubby woodlands in Maine much more than i ever saw them; after 25+
years in Colorado i finally saw them here a couple of times

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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[John]

Works for me. You can probably tell I'm no bird expert.

I can tell a Red Tail Hawk from a Robin; identify a male Cardinal, a
Great Blue Heron, an adult Bald Eagle and I know what a woodpecker is
(mainly because they sound like woodpeckers).

On 5/17/2014 2:55 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Walt has it just about right. Almost certainly a Rose-breasted Grosbeak. (Not 
Red-breasted.) We have two pair in our neighborhood, attractive birds apart 
from their gross beaks.

stan

On 17 May 2014, at 13:49, John  wrote:


Stan's Oriole prompted me to put this one up on Flickr.

As I've been going through & scanning old film, I found what must
have been the first roll of Kodak Ektar 25 that I tried. One of the
frames has what I think might be some kind of an Oriole.

All I know for sure is it's not a Cardinal and I'm pretty sure it's
not a Robin.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14226796993/

My best guess is this is around about Feb 20, 1989 or so. If memory
serves Ektar 25 was introduced in January & according to weather
records, we had 4 inches of snow in Raleigh on Feb 19.

I noticed the birds were hanging around a fallen limb at the rear
edge of my property, about 50 feet from my house. I hung up my army
poncho up under my back porch to make a blind, set up my tripod and
poked the lens out through the opening for the head.

It was probably taken with an LX & a Soligor F/8 Cat lens w/
Pentax-K T-mount. It's not real sharp.

Anyway, it's the only one of the kind I remember seeing.
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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[Stanley Halpin]

Walt has it just about right. Almost certainly a Rose-breasted Grosbeak. (Not 
Red-breasted.) We have two pair in our neighborhood, attractive birds apart 
from their gross beaks.

stan

On 17 May 2014, at 13:49, John  wrote:

> Stan's Oriole prompted me to put this one up on Flickr.
> 
> As I've been going through & scanning old film, I found what must have been 
> the first roll of Kodak Ektar 25 that I tried. One of the frames has what I 
> think might be some kind of an Oriole.
> 
> All I know for sure is it's not a Cardinal and I'm pretty sure it's not a 
> Robin.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14226796993/
> 
> My best guess is this is around about Feb 20, 1989 or so. If memory serves 
> Ektar 25 was introduced in January & according to weather records, we had 4 
> inches of snow in Raleigh on Feb 19.
> 
> I noticed the birds were hanging around a fallen limb at the rear edge of my 
> property, about 50 feet from my house. I hung up my army poncho up under my 
> back porch to make a blind, set up my tripod and poked the lens out through 
> the opening for the head.
> 
> It was probably taken with an LX & a Soligor F/8 Cat lens w/ Pentax-K 
> T-mount. It's not real sharp.
> 
> Anyway, it's the only one of the kind I remember seeing.
> 
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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[Walt]

Maybe a red-breasted grosbeak?

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On 5/17/2014 12:49 PM, John wrote:

Stan's Oriole prompted me to put this one up on Flickr.

As I've been going through & scanning old film, I found what must have 
been the first roll of Kodak Ektar 25 that I tried. One of the frames 
has what I think might be some kind of an Oriole.


All I know for sure is it's not a Cardinal and I'm pretty sure it's 
not a Robin.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14226796993/

My best guess is this is around about Feb 20, 1989 or so. If memory 
serves Ektar 25 was introduced in January & according to weather 
records, we had 4 inches of snow in Raleigh on Feb 19.


I noticed the birds were hanging around a fallen limb at the rear edge 
of my property, about 50 feet from my house. I hung up my army poncho 
up under my back porch to make a blind, set up my tripod and poked the 
lens out through the opening for the head.


It was probably taken with an LX & a Soligor F/8 Cat lens w/ Pentax-K 
T-mount. It's not real sharp.


Anyway, it's the only one of the kind I remember seeing.




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Re: PESO: Another bird photo - What is it?

[Christine Aguila]

That has a nice Christmas feel to it--to my eye anyway.  Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On May 17, 2014, at 12:49 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> Stan's Oriole prompted me to put this one up on Flickr.
> 
> As I've been going through & scanning old film, I found what must have been 
> the first roll of Kodak Ektar 25 that I tried. One of the frames has what I 
> think might be some kind of an Oriole.
> 
> All I know for sure is it's not a Cardinal and I'm pretty sure it's not a 
> Robin.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/14226796993/
> 
> My best guess is this is around about Feb 20, 1989 or so. If memory serves 
> Ektar 25 was introduced in January & according to weather records, we had 4 
> inches of snow in Raleigh on Feb 19.
> 
> I noticed the birds were hanging around a fallen limb at the rear edge of my 
> property, about 50 feet from my house. I hung up my army poncho up under my 
> back porch to make a blind, set up my tripod and poked the lens out through 
> the opening for the head.
> 
> It was probably taken with an LX & a Soligor F/8 Cat lens w/ Pentax-K 
> T-mount. It's not real sharp.
> 
> Anyway, it's the only one of the kind I remember seeing.
> 
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