Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
On May 11, 2010, at 07:34 , Charles Robinson wrote: So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html I like the second one better, more for the composition than the sharper rendition. The guitarist on the left in the first throws me off. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com I couldn't remember most of what I know today if it weren't for others sharing their knowledge of my past on the Internet. Thank you… -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
I've thought about it for a while now. Overall I like the second better. I think the issue is, or may be, how much movement and where in the image. The first image has movement/blur through the entire frame. It's [...] I agree with Tom. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Second. Jack --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com Subject: PESO: Blurry or Clear? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:34 AM I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Right this second, I second that second. :-) For a stronger impression, I would consider cropping it to a square - left of his shoulder and right of the end of the guitar neck, - in the area of the turning keys. Igor Tue May 11 10:25:19 CDT 2010 Jack Davis wrote: Second. Jack --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charlesr at visi.com wrote: From: Charles Robinson charlesr at visi.com Subject: PESO: Blurry or Clear? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml at pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:34 AM I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Second. I also agree with Igor's crop suggestion. The first one doe shave it's charms but the second is just a stronger image. A K10D? How quaint. - a fellow tenner On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Right this second, I second that second. :-) For a stronger impression, I would consider cropping it to a square - left of his shoulder and right of the end of the guitar neck, - in the area of the turning keys. Igor Tue May 11 10:25:19 CDT 2010 Jack Davis wrote: Second. Jack --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charlesr at visi.com wrote: From: Charles Robinson charlesr at visi.com Subject: PESO: Blurry or Clear? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml at pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:34 AM I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
On May 11, 2010, at 11:03, Steven Desjardins wrote: Second. I also agree with Igor's crop suggestion. The first one doe shave it's charms but the second is just a stronger image. A K10D? How quaint. Cute. I find it entirely acceptable at 800/1100 ISO for concert photography. Hopefully the K7 will be at the very least no worse in that regard? Regarding cropping... I'm weird about that. I always like to leave everything in the same aspect ratio as the original shot. I'll take a look at the image and work on the suggested Square/Igor Crop but it goes against my normal routine! - a fellow tenner On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Right this second, I second that second. :-) For a stronger impression, I would consider cropping it to a square - left of his shoulder and right of the end of the guitar neck, - in the area of the turning keys. Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Charles, I also like the original aspect ratio in my photos, - so when I crop, - I usually keep that. The main exception is a square crop. I found that is gives some sort of impact power to some photos. See, e.g. http://42graphy.komkon.org/tango/atf-2010/ or http://42graphy.org/swing/ch-2008/1-selected/ Igor PS. I'll take a look at the image and work on the suggested Square/Igor Crop but it goes against my normal routine! Igor is not Square! :-) Tue May 11 11:25:53 CDT 2010 Charles Robinson wrote: On May 11, 2010, at 11:03, Steven Desjardins wrote: Second. I also agree with Igor's crop suggestion. The first one doe shave it's charms but the second is just a stronger image. A K10D? How quaint. Cute. I find it entirely acceptable at 800/1100 ISO for concert photography. Hopefully the K7 will be at the very least no worse in that regard? Regarding cropping... I'm weird about that. I always like to leave everything in the same aspect ratio as the original shot. I'll take a look at the image and work on the suggested Square/Igor Crop but it goes against my normal routine! Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Second shot. (It makes me think my glasses weren't clean for the first one.) It's amazing how much more powerful the impression is with the sharp photo. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Second shot. Dave On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Clearly clear. Clears Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 11, 2010, at 11:03, Steven Desjardins wrote: A K10D? How quaint. Cute. I find it entirely acceptable at 800/1100 ISO for concert photography. Or even ISO 1600: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10994550 (fellow choristers waiting for a rehearsal to begin) The second shot is great. The first, not so much. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
On May 11, 2010, at 15:59, Rick Womer wrote:
--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 11:03, Steven
Desjardins wrote:
A K10D? How quaint.
Cute.
I find it entirely acceptable at 800/1100 ISO for concert
photography.
Or even ISO 1600:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10994550
(fellow choristers waiting for a rehearsal to begin)
The second shot is great. The first, not so much.
It's funny that this is (or WAS) my first blurry shot that I kinda liked, and
I'm absolutely the only person who thinks so ('cept for my twin brother).
So many other people get away with blurry action shots and I thought I'd
figured it out. I'll go back to my sharpness is KEY attitude now.
Thanks for the opinions, all.
-Charles
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Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
I also vote for the second (clearer) shot. Dan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On May 11, 2010, at 11:03, Steven Desjardins wrote: A K10D? How quaint. Cute. I find it entirely acceptable at 800/1100 ISO for concert photography. Or even ISO 1600: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10994550 (fellow choristers waiting for a rehearsal to begin) The second shot is great. The first, not so much. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
That's because Frank is the only one allowed to take blurry shots.
It's sort of like when you're a kid at a picnic and they let you swing
10 times in baseball instead of striking you out after 3.
Tom C
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 15:59, Rick Womer wrote:
--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 11:03, Steven
Desjardins wrote:
A K10D? How quaint.
Cute.
I find it entirely acceptable at 800/1100 ISO for concert
photography.
Or even ISO 1600:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10994550
(fellow choristers waiting for a rehearsal to begin)
The second shot is great. The first, not so much.
It's funny that this is (or WAS) my first blurry shot that I kinda liked, and
I'm absolutely the only person who thinks so ('cept for my twin brother).
So many other people get away with blurry action shots and I thought I'd
figured it out. I'll go back to my sharpness is KEY attitude now.
Thanks for the opinions, all.
-Charles
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Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Charles,
On occasion, I try to get motion-blurry shots on purpose, and very seldom
(if ever), I get anything reasonable.
After one of dance events, I tried to put together some of the
motion-blurry photos, but I still don't like them:
http://42graphy.org/swing/ch-2008/motion/
.. except maybe one:
http://42graphy.org/swing/ch-2008/motion/IMGP4504_1.html
After yet another recent event, it took some struggle to keep this photo
in the posted gallery, as it was not quite sharp, but it was appealing
to me: http://42graphy.komkon.org/tango/astf-2010/_DSC1133.html
I am still struggling with that decision. :-)
Igor
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Charles Robinson charlesr at visi.com
wrote:
It's funny that this is (or WAS) my first blurry shot that I kinda
liked, and I'm absolutely the only person who thinks so ('cept for my
twin brother).
So many other people get away with blurry action shots and I thought
I'd figured it out. I'll go back to my sharpness is KEY attitude
now.
Thanks for the opinions, all.
-Charles
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RE: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
Unusually for me, the first - there is far more sense of movement, which is essential to the moment. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 12:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Blurry or Clear? I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP 1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP 1152_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?
I've thought about it for a while now. Overall I like the second better. I think the issue is, or may be, how much movement and where in the image. The first image has movement/blur through the entire frame. It's hard to differentiate the image from one that was simply blurry due to camera shake vs.movement of the subject. I can imagine the second image, where it's basically crisp and sharp as it is, but possibly only the strumming hand has some motion blur visible. That type of selective blur of course depends what the subject is doing and how they're moving. Which leaves it very hit and miss. Which leads me to think that a shutter speed somwehere between the two could have yielded the kind of result you were wishing for. Which leads me to believe it's very hit and miss. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: I was at a concert this weekend, and came up with (among other things) a pair of photos I couldn't decide between, so I included them both in the gallery. I usually only like photos which I can describe as being reasonably sharp. Now, when shooting low-light high-movement subjects such as a rock concert, that's sometimes an unachievable goal. Nonetheless, this is the first blurry shot I've taken which I actually like. So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html I do like the first one, but prefer the second by a fair margin. Surprised you all, eh? ;-) Terrific shot, BTW! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Both are good, but in the second the top of his head is cut off. I prefer the spacing and lines of the blurry one. Marnie :-) In a message dated 5/11/2010 7:34:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, charl...@visi.com writes: So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer? The first blurry shot, or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later? Blurry (1/15 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP 1150_large.html Clear (1/25 sec): http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP 1152_large.html -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
