RE: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
Thanks, Tom! I agree, though there is something gentler (or something) about the original that I like, too. Rick --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Very nice! This is a big improvement on the > original. It has alot of > impact. > > Tom C. > > > >From: Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: pdml@pdml.net > >Subject: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised > >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:48:02 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > > >The answer to the mystery of the light below the > >bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > >skylight, which only illuminates the center. When > one > >gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > >tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled > with > >things a bit to try to make this change less > apparent. > > > >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > > >Comments welcome! > > > >Rick > > > >http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > > > > > >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. > Join Yahoo!'s user > >panel and lay it on us. > >http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >PDML@pdml.net > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
Thanks, Frank! I have about two dozen exposures of this stairwell, most with people somewhere in them. I was following Sam Abell's dictum: find an interesting background, and then wait for something to happen. Rick --- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/2/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > > > The answer to the mystery of the light below the > > bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > > skylight, which only illuminates the center. When > one > > gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > > tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled > with > > things a bit to try to make this change less > apparent. > > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > > > Comments welcome! > > > > Rick > > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > Didn't see the "original", but I really like this > one. Not just for > the terrific comp, but for the "perfect" timing of > the two passersby > below. > > Terrific shot, Rick! > > cheers, > frank > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri > Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
They became more visible when I cropped the left edge. I adjusted the WB a bit, but didn't do anything to contrast or saturation. Rick --- AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like this one better too. > Did you do something to make the two persons more > visible also? > > Jostein > > 2007/7/3, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > > > The answer to the mystery of the light below the > > bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > > skylight, which only illuminates the center. When > one > > gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > > tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled > with > > things a bit to try to make this change less > apparent. > > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > > > Comments welcome! > > > > Rick > > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. > Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > -- > http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ > http://alunfoto.blogspot.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
I like this one better too. Did you do something to make the two persons more visible also? Jostein 2007/7/3, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > The answer to the mystery of the light below the > bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > skylight, which only illuminates the center. When one > gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled with > things a bit to try to make this change less apparent. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > Comments welcome! > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel > and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
On 7/2/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > The answer to the mystery of the light below the > bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > skylight, which only illuminates the center. When one > gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled with > things a bit to try to make this change less apparent. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > Comments welcome! > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Didn't see the "original", but I really like this one. Not just for the terrific comp, but for the "perfect" timing of the two passersby below. Terrific shot, Rick! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
Very nice! This is a big improvement on the original. It has alot of impact. Tom C. >From: Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: pdml@pdml.net >Subject: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:48:02 -0700 (PDT) > >Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > >The answer to the mystery of the light below the >bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large >skylight, which only illuminates the center. When one >gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed >tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled with >things a bit to try to make this change less apparent. > >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > >Comments welcome! > >Rick > >http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user >panel and lay it on us. >http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
Stronger composition for sure. But I'd still like to see a monochrome rendering. G On Jul 2, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
Me too! Thanks! Rick --- Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like the composition much better. > > Jack > --- Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > > > The answer to the mystery of the light below the > > bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > > skylight, which only illuminates the center. When > one > > gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > > tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled > with > > things a bit to try to make this change less > apparent. > > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > > > Comments welcome! > > > > Rick > > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. > Join Yahoo!'s > > user panel and lay it on us. > > > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell Revised
Like the composition much better. Jack --- Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cropped, and white balance adjusted. > > The answer to the mystery of the light below the > bannisters is: The stairwell is lit by a large > skylight, which only illuminates the center. When one > gets out toward the edges, the dimmer mixed > tungsten-fluorescent light takes over. I diddled with > things a bit to try to make this change less apparent. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6151795&size=lg > > Comments welcome! > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s > user panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Thanks for all the responses! I'm going to try a crop, and will post it--though it may be a few days before I have time. I have some other shots of this stairwell that I may post, too. Rick --- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice geometry to the shot Rick. I like the colour > tone of the > lighting, and the two people at the bottom. Makes it > even more > interesting. > > Our Feds have something like 15 billion in excess, > but are not > spending much on new hospitals etc. Seems building > roads to nowwere is > more important. Our cancer and heart and stroke > hospitals do a lot of > lottery ticket selling to raise funds needed. Sad > stae of affairs. > > Dave > > On 7/1/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, > lobbying > > for restoration of money for childhood cancer > research > > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies > have > > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > > minutes between appointments, and it was way too > hot > > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > > Lightroom and PE4. > > > > Comments appreciated. > > > > Rick > > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel > answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - > Check it out. > > > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > -- > Equine Photography > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > Ontario Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Nice geometry to the shot Rick. I like the colour tone of the lighting, and the two people at the bottom. Makes it even more interesting. Our Feds have something like 15 billion in excess, but are not spending much on new hospitals etc. Seems building roads to nowwere is more important. Our cancer and heart and stroke hospitals do a lot of lottery ticket selling to raise funds needed. Sad stae of affairs. Dave On 7/1/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying > for restoration of money for childhood cancer research > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > Lightroom and PE4. > > Comments appreciated. > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Good shot. Getting the two people where you did was great timing. I think I would crop off the left edge to get rid of the brown railing there. I like this one. -- Bruce Sunday, July 1, 2007, 4:01:18 PM, you wrote: RW> I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying RW> for restoration of money for childhood cancer research RW> via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have RW> cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 RW> minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot RW> and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots RW> inside the Hart Senate Office Building. RW> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg RW> K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via RW> Lightroom and PE4. RW> Comments appreciated. RW> Rick RW> http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW RW> RW> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from RW> someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. RW> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Nice, the lighting gives it a slightly eerie look. I'd be interested to see what you could do with it in monochrome. Godfrey 2007/7/2, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying > for restoration of money for childhood cancer research > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > Lightroom and PE4. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Nice shot, but I too think a crop off the left would be nice, just as Jack suggested. Odd thing about those lights along the rail. Please let us know if you figure it out. Jostein 2007/7/2, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying > for restoration of money for childhood cancer research > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > Lightroom and PE4. > > Comments appreciated. > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
In a message dated 7/1/2007 4:01:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying for restoration of money for childhood cancer research via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots inside the Hart Senate Office Building. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via Lightroom and PE4. Comments appreciated. Rick === Nice shot. DC is full of neat stuff to shoot. Marnie aka Doe Hmmm, that doesn't sound right. :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Rick, Nice photo and remindes me of a famous shot of the spiral stairwell in the old Rookery Building here in Chicago. Nice to have the two guys at the bottom of your spiral as well. Regards, Bob S. On 7/1/07, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying > for restoration of money for childhood cancer research > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > Lightroom and PE4. > > Comments appreciated. > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Interesting question! I didn't notice it while processing the image. I don't recall any lighting below the rails. I'll have to check the original. Cropping out the left 15% could work well. Rick --- Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting shot. Is it lighting under the railing > that causes the > foggy appearing area that follows the rail side of > the stairs? > I wonder about cropping the left side to eliminate > the dark vertical > border and railing curve.(?) > > Jack > --- Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, > lobbying > > for restoration of money for childhood cancer > research > > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies > have > > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > > minutes between appointments, and it was way too > hot > > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > > Lightroom and PE4. > > > > Comments appreciated. > > > > Rick > > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel > answers from someone who > > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship > answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - > Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Senate Stairwell
Interesting shot. Is it lighting under the railing that causes the foggy appearing area that follows the rail side of the stairs? I wonder about cropping the left side to eliminate the dark vertical border and railing curve.(?) Jack --- Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spent Tuesday in Washington DC last week, lobbying > for restoration of money for childhood cancer research > via the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act (the Bushies have > cut said funds 20% in the last 3 years). I had 20 > minutes between appointments, and it was way too hot > and bright to shoot outside, so I took some shots > inside the Hart Senate Office Building. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6147657&size=lg > > K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, 1/20 @f/6.7, RAW via > Lightroom and PE4. > > Comments appreciated. > > Rick > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
