Re: PESO - Demo
In a message dated 7/31/2006 12:59:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to know what is being protested, and it would probably help to know what the KPFA is. I googled it, and could not pronounce the fist word :) russell == Old post, I know. KPFA is a talk radio station in the SF Bay Area. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Marnie, KPFA is ~NOT~ a talk radio station. It produces and airs many public affairs shows, but it also airs a lot of music as well. You can do a lot worse things with your time than listening to the station for a day or so. All anyone has to do is Google the call letters and all sorts of information about the station, its programming, its affiliates, and details about the protest, come up. Shel (back to lurking - bye!) russellkerstetter at gmail.com writes: I want to know what is being protested, and it would probably help to know what the KPFA is. I googled it, and could not pronounce the fist word :) russell == Old post, I know. KPFA is a talk radio station in the SF Bay Area. Marnie aka Doe Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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All anyone has to do is Google the call letters and all sorts of information about the station, its programming, its affiliates, and details about the protest, come up. Or the (word I cannot pronounce) Pension Fund Assoc. :) I just couldn't imagine what you were doing in the UK, it's so far from Berkley. russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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oh yes, I forgot the link http://www.kpfa.co.uk/about.php On 8/2/06, Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All anyone has to do is Google the call letters and all sorts of information about the station, its programming, its affiliates, and details about the protest, come up. Or the (word I cannot pronounce) Pension Fund Assoc. :) I just couldn't imagine what you were doing in the UK, it's so far from Berkley. russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm many posts behind, as usual. That's the cost of having a life outside PDML. My next life, will be a virtual life, I think ;-) Kidding, I don't believe in reincarnation. Reading this thread was kind of interesting. Without counting it seem that most comments are negative. Some even _seem_ a bit offended. I do believe I understand the negative reactions. You give nothing out for free here Shel. So, the easy way out is responding ney, does not provoke anything from me. My reactions? Kind of hard to say. It does make me think. Usually that's a good thing. But what do I think? I think What are Shel trying to say? Because, knowing you, it is obvious that you are saying something here. As said, you don't give us much to go at, no context in frame, and nothing in your post. Is it from a demo, or from an artsy happening? I lean toward the artsy theory. What makes me think is the fact that the two motifs seem very disconnected. Apparently no relations between them. If that's the case, then I guess you are saying something about the bad things going on here on the planet (or in you neighbourhood or where ever), and about the fact that many doesnt seem to care. Am I right? If I know you right, you dislike answering this question. Don't worry Shel, you don't have to. In it's own mysterious way, there are something that provokes reactions in me. But, for me, I think it is more a brain puzzle, than something emotional reaction. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 17. juli 2006 16:00 To: PDML Subject: PESO - Demo http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html Pentax MX, Tri-X @ 250 in ID-11 Comments, crits, rotten tomatoes welcome Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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demo unfortunately, speak no evil did not occur to me until i read frank's post, but to answer your question: What do you see? because it is on cardboard, I immediatly think of a demonstration, it remonds me of some of the pictures I saw when studying the civil rights movements in school Does it make you feel anything or want to know more? I want to know what is being protested, and it would probably help to know what the KPFA is. I googled it, and could not pronounce the fist word :) russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel wrote: Well, Frank, apparently, according to some people, if the intent or meaning isn't spelled out for them, it is a bad thing. If I was to answer this your way, Shel, I would also begin with Well, Frank, But I have no shame of discussing photography with people I do not agree with, or whose lines of thought I do not understand. With regards to having intent or meaning spelled out, there are photos in this world that can stand alone without any words accompanying them, and still convey meaning and intent across cultural, ethnic, political, or any other psychological barrier. You have, on occasion, shown good examples of that yourself. The shot in question is not among them. What it may mean to people with anglo-american background escapes me, I'm sorry. I'm genuinely surprised that a man of your abilities needs a definition of context spelled out for him. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html Pentax MX, Tri-X @ 250 in ID-11 Comments, crits, rotten tomatoes welcome Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net I like it a lot - partly because of the ambiguities, partly because of the structure of the shot. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 7/18/2006 5:53:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like it a lot - partly because of the ambiguities, partly because of the structure of the shot. ann === What she said. The meaning can remain a mystery. Although to me it says he does not agree. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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With regards to having intent or meaning spelled out, there are photos in this world that can stand alone without any words accompanying them, and still convey meaning and intent across cultural, ethnic, political, or any other psychological barrier. You have, on occasion, shown good examples of that yourself. The shot in question is not among them. What it may mean to people with anglo-american background escapes me, I'm sorry. Well stated, I agree 100% Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - Demo Shel wrote: Well, Frank, apparently, according to some people, if the intent or meaning isn't spelled out for them, it is a bad thing. If I was to answer this your way, Shel, I would also begin with Well, Frank, But I have no shame of discussing photography with people I do not agree with, or whose lines of thought I do not understand. With regards to having intent or meaning spelled out, there are photos in this world that can stand alone without any words accompanying them, and still convey meaning and intent across cultural, ethnic, political, or any other psychological barrier. You have, on occasion, shown good examples of that yourself. The shot in question is not among them. What it may mean to people with anglo-american background escapes me, I'm sorry. I'm genuinely surprised that a man of your abilities needs a definition of context spelled out for him. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What were you trying to show? Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html Pentax MX, Tri-X @ 250 in ID-11 Comments, crits, rotten tomatoes welcome Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What do you see? How does the photo effect you? Does it make you feel anything or want to know more? Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis What were you trying to show? --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Shel, You wrote: What do you see? How does the photo effect you? Does it make you feel anything or want to know more? What I see does not engage me. Maybe it would be more interesting if it had a context. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Define context in this case. Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein Øksne You wrote: What do you see? How does the photo effect you? Does it make you feel anything or want to know more? What I see does not engage me. Maybe it would be more interesting if it had a context. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Define context in this case. Lol... Why? Jostein [Original Message] From: Jostein Øksne You wrote: What do you see? How does the photo effect you? Does it make you feel anything or want to know more? What I see does not engage me. Maybe it would be more interesting if it had a context. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't think that's my job. Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you see? How does the photo effect you? Does it make you feel anything or want to know more? Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis What were you trying to show? --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I would prefer it if the man was in focus. I think it would give greater continuity from the placard to the man, especially since the tones are similar. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 17 July 2006 15:00 To: PDML Subject: PESO - Demo http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html Pentax MX, Tri-X @ 250 in ID-11 Comments, crits, rotten tomatoes welcome Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/17/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html See no evil, speak no evil. You're missing the third element of the trilogy. g It's interesting, Shel. I'm not sure whether the man on the left is a figure of authority, refusing to acknowledge the woman who's being gagged, or if he's one of the oppressed. Either way, it's a photo that makes me think, so that can't be a bad thing. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks for your comment. I really didn't want greater continuity between the two aspects of the photo. Hopefully, having the man OOF shows some discontinuity, a disconnect, if you will, which is what I wanted to convey. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W I would prefer it if the man was in focus. I think it would give greater continuity from the placard to the man, especially since the tones are similar. http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well, Frank, apparently, according to some people, if the intent or meaning isn't spelled out for them, it is a bad thing. It's interesting how the flower and landscape set see this and how those, on a couple of other venues, who work more with documentary and in other areas of photography, see it. Oh well Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault On 7/17/06, Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html See no evil, speak no evil. You're missing the third element of the trilogy. g It's interesting, Shel. I'm not sure whether the man on the left is a figure of authority, refusing to acknowledge the woman who's being gagged, or if he's one of the oppressed. Either way, it's a photo that makes me think, so that can't be a bad thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel, Are you trying to imply some relationship between the poster with the gag and the man? The poster makes the original artist's statement (whatever that may be). The asian guy looking on is a derivative figure trying to add something to that statement. It would be stronger for me if I thought he was actually looking at the poster's content, not just around a corner wonder what's on the other side. I don't see him as actually reacting to the main visual. Regards, Bob S. On 7/17/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Frank, apparently, according to some people, if the intent or meaning isn't spelled out for them, it is a bad thing. It's interesting how the flower and landscape set see this and how those, on a couple of other venues, who work more with documentary and in other areas of photography, see it. Oh well Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault On 7/17/06, Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/demo.html See no evil, speak no evil. You're missing the third element of the trilogy. g It's interesting, Shel. I'm not sure whether the man on the left is a figure of authority, refusing to acknowledge the woman who's being gagged, or if he's one of the oppressed. Either way, it's a photo that makes me think, so that can't be a bad thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
