RE: PESO - My First PESO
I think most that needs to be said is said. After Godfrey has over(?)done his magic, it pops ;-) A nice portrait. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Michael Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. mai 2006 06:20 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO - My First PESO This is partly an experiment in BW post-processing, part trying to rescue a low-light shot. Orig: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/joc.jpg BW: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocbw.jpg Technical: *ist DS, A-50mm/1.7, 1/25s, f/2.0, ISO 400. I de-saturated, then adjusted the lightness of the spectrum. Added some noise. Tips? Honesty? Brutality? Thanks. Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca
Re: PESO - My First PESO
The color version can be improved greatly with some curves adjustment and saturation reduction. I also think you should remove the wart on the nose and the pimples on the chin, since this is obviously a portrait, not a news photograph. The BW version shows way too much contrast with no shadow detail and burned highlights. Improving the color version before you convert will yield a better BW version. The noise doesn't add anything IMHO. Sorry I can't be more positive, but keep working on it. Paul On May 3, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote: This is partly an experiment in BW post-processing, part trying to rescue a low-light shot. Orig: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/joc.jpg BW: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocbw.jpg Technical: *ist DS, A-50mm/1.7, 1/25s, f/2.0, ISO 400. I de-saturated, then adjusted the lightness of the spectrum. Added some noise. Tips? Honesty? Brutality? Thanks. Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca
Re: PESO - My First PESO
Michael, It's too soft and seems to lack a little something to make it pop. I'm not one to be very technical about what you can do in PS or whatever but I'd try a slightly different angle and more DOF. All that being said, it's not a BAD photograph. Keep posting and lets see how much better it gets :) Cory - Original Message - From: Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: PESO - My First PESO This is partly an experiment in BW post-processing, part trying to rescue a low-light shot. Orig: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/joc.jpg BW: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocbw.jpg Technical: *ist DS, A-50mm/1.7, 1/25s, f/2.0, ISO 400. I de-saturated, then adjusted the lightness of the spectrum. Added some noise. Tips? Honesty? Brutality? Thanks. Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 5/1/2006
Re: PESO - My First PESO
On 3-May-06, at 12:30 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Michael, the b/w version is less unsuccessful than the original color one. Yet both seem (at least to me) to lack the evident point of focus. It is customary to have at least one eye of a portrayed person to be in focus. You seem to have both out of focus. Yes, that's an ongoing problem. Low-light focusing with a manual focus lens. I recently purchased a homemade split screen, but it doesn't seem to work well with my FA or DA lenses and autofocus. Any suggestions? Assuming you can re-shoot, I suggest you do just that - shoot again. Also my experience with shooting (my daughter) with FA 50/1.7 lens is that for such kind of portraits f/4 is just about the best. It gives enough DOF without getting too much of it. Okay, thanks for the tip! I'll try shooting with more light next time. :) mike\
Re: PESO - My First PESO
On 3-May-06, at 4:05 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The color version can be improved greatly with some curves adjustment and saturation reduction. Okay, i'll try that out! I also think you should remove the wart on the nose and the pimples on the chin, since this is obviously a portrait, not a news photograph. Heh. That's not a wart, actually. It's a piercing. :) The BW version shows way too much contrast with no shadow detail and burned highlights. Improving the color version before you convert will yield a better BW version. The noise doesn't add anything IMHO. Sorry I can't be more positive, but keep working on it. Paul Okay, thanks for your advice! I think I'll just re-shoot the photo for a bit more focus/dof and a better angle. Then I'l start again. Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca
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Hi! Yes, that's an ongoing problem. Low-light focusing with a manual focus lens. I recently purchased a homemade split screen, but it doesn't seem to work well with my FA or DA lenses and autofocus. Any suggestions? No real help there... I had to move completely to AF lenses... Boris
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On May 2, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Michael Hamilton wrote: Technical: *ist DS, A-50mm/1.7, 1/25s, f/2.0, ISO 400. Orig: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/joc.jpg The shot is a bit dark. A little bit of adjustment to levels, contrast and color correction brings it right up nicely. If you want to get fancy, lighten the eyes just a hair more than the rest so that they pop. You got the eyes in sharp focus, which is exactly what you ought to do, but the nose and chin fall out of the focus zone ... f/4 works better at these distances. The nose and mouth are close enough to fine that with a little selective area sharpening, it looks great. BW: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocbw.jpg I de-saturated, then adjusted the lightness of the spectrum. Added some noise. Unfortunately, this is pretty murky on my screen. You can do a much better BW rendering after you've finished with the above adjustments to the color rendering. I would use a channel mix of the red and green or red and blue channels to bring the skin tones up, keep the lips nicely differentiated, and smooth the skin texture. Then a little selective contrast adjustment here and there to finish it off. It's an intimate photograph of a lovely face. Worth the effort. Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO
On May 3, 2006, at 6:37 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote: .. It is customary to have at least one eye of a portrayed person to be in focus. You seem to have both out of focus. Yes, that's an ongoing problem. Low-light focusing with a manual focus lens. I recently purchased a homemade split screen, but it doesn't seem to work well with my FA or DA lenses and autofocus. Any suggestions? Forget the split screens. AF in low light is generally at a disadvantage. Practice manual focusing with the standard screen. The more you do, the better you get at it. BTW: Michael, I took your original color image and did a little adjustment to it in Photoshop, produced a color and BW version. If you use Photoshop CS2, you can get the .PSD file to see what I did specifically. http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ I like that *more* than what I did, but I think you may have gone a bit too far. It appears to be oversharpened, but I'll work with the psd file and see if I can find a happy medium! Thanks, Godfrey.
Re: PESO - My First PESO
On May 3, 2006, at 6:37 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote: Michael, I took your original color image and did a little adjustment to it in Photoshop, produced a color and BW version. If you use Photoshop CS2, you can get the .PSD file to see what I did specifically. http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ I like that *more* than what I did, but I think you may have gone a bit too far. It appears to be oversharpened, but I'll work with the psd file and see if I can find a happy medium! Upon taking a look at the PSD file, I see what you were doing. Something didn't look right in the JPGs. I like it and will try your tips. Thanks again, Godfrey.
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On May 3, 2006, at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ I like that *more* than what I did, but I think you may have gone a bit too far. It appears to be oversharpened, but I'll work with the psd file and see if I can find a happy medium! Thanks, Godfrey. You're welcome, glad to help. The sharpening is somewhat a matter of taste ... I tend to like more texture in the skin then some, I find. I felt it a little heavy (quick pass, didn't do much tuning), but it's done non-destructively in the Photoshop file as a background layer copy with masking. It can be adjusted to your taste easily. :-) Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO
On May 3, 2006, at 6:37 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote: .. It is customary to have at least one eye of a portrayed person to be in focus. You seem to have both out of focus. Yes, that's an ongoing problem. Low-light focusing with a manual focus lens. I recently purchased a homemade split screen, but it doesn't seem to work well with my FA or DA lenses and autofocus. Any suggestions? Forget the split screens. AF in low light is generally at a disadvantage. Practice manual focusing with the standard screen. The more you do, the better you get at it. BTW: Michael, I took your original color image and did a little adjustment to it in Photoshop, produced a color and BW version. If you use Photoshop CS2, you can get the .PSD file to see what I did specifically. http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO, The Second Edition
I'm quite happy with the tips that Godfrey provided me. Here is my second edition of my BW post-processing. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=106 Thoughts? Comments? Critiques? Are the eyes too front and center now? Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca On 3-May-06, at 5:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ I like that *more* than what I did, but I think you may have gone a bit too far. It appears to be oversharpened, but I'll work with the psd file and see if I can find a happy medium! Thanks, Godfrey. You're welcome, glad to help. The sharpening is somewhat a matter of taste ... I tend to like more texture in the skin then some, I find. I felt it a little heavy (quick pass, didn't do much tuning), but it's done non- destructively in the Photoshop file as a background layer copy with masking. It can be adjusted to your taste easily. :-) Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO, The Second Edition
I'm quite happy with the tips that Godfrey provided me. Here is my second edition of my BW post-processing. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=106 Thoughts? Comments? Critiques? Are the eyes too front and center now? Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca On 3-May-06, at 5:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ I like that *more* than what I did, but I think you may have gone a bit too far. It appears to be oversharpened, but I'll work with the psd file and see if I can find a happy medium! Thanks, Godfrey. You're welcome, glad to help. The sharpening is somewhat a matter of taste ... I tend to like more texture in the skin then some, I find. I felt it a little heavy (quick pass, didn't do much tuning), but it's done non- destructively in the Photoshop file as a background layer copy with masking. It can be adjusted to your taste easily. :-) Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO, The Second Edition
On May 3, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Michael Hamilton wrote: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=106 Thoughts? Comments? Critiques? Nice. It's a softer, warmer rendering than I did with it, probably a bit more flattering. The eyes look fine to me, a little darker than I might prefer but it's your picture ... :-) Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO, The Second Edition
Much better. Good work. Paul On May 3, 2006, at 11:45 PM, Michael Hamilton wrote: I'm quite happy with the tips that Godfrey provided me. Here is my second edition of my BW post-processing. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=106 Thoughts? Comments? Critiques? Are the eyes too front and center now? Michael Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michaelhamilton.ca On 3-May-06, at 5:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/joc/ I like that *more* than what I did, but I think you may have gone a bit too far. It appears to be oversharpened, but I'll work with the psd file and see if I can find a happy medium! Thanks, Godfrey. You're welcome, glad to help. The sharpening is somewhat a matter of taste ... I tend to like more texture in the skin then some, I find. I felt it a little heavy (quick pass, didn't do much tuning), but it's done non-destructively in the Photoshop file as a background layer copy with masking. It can be adjusted to your taste easily. :-) Godfrey
Re: PESO - My First PESO, The Second Edition
Hi! I'm quite happy with the tips that Godfrey provided me. Here is my second edition of my BW post-processing. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=106 Thoughts? Comments? Critiques? Are the eyes too front and center now? Much better, Michael... Now, for some reason (whereas I may be absolutely wrong) it seems to me that there is ever so slight smile present here... If (and only if) I am right, I humbly suggest that you add just a little white sparkle to her eyes, to make the smile slightly more pronounced. My wife Julia seems to agree... Boris
Re: PESO - My First PESO
Hi! This is partly an experiment in BW post-processing, part trying to rescue a low-light shot. Orig: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/joc.jpg BW: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocbw.jpg Technical: *ist DS, A-50mm/1.7, 1/25s, f/2.0, ISO 400. I de-saturated, then adjusted the lightness of the spectrum. Added some noise. Tips? Honesty? Brutality? Michael, the b/w version is less unsuccessful than the original color one. Yet both seem (at least to me) to lack the evident point of focus. It is customary to have at least one eye of a portrayed person to be in focus. You seem to have both out of focus. Assuming you can re-shoot, I suggest you do just that - shoot again. Also my experience with shooting (my daughter) with FA 50/1.7 lens is that for such kind of portraits f/4 is just about the best. It gives enough DOF without getting too much of it. Just my few cents and pixels. Boris
Re: Peso: My First Peso
The URL? Jack --- Manuel Magalhães [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, During my vacations I bought a F35-135mm 3.5-4.5 in an old shop to an old guy, in Andorra. As I said before it is a brand new lens with more or less 15 years old. So here is one shot taken in Bilbao Spain. Comments are welcome. Manuel Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Peso: My First Peso
Very nice hot summer in the city picture. Very well executed. The children interacting with the water and each other, beautiful. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Manuel Magalhães [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18. august 2005 23:05 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Fw: Peso: My First Peso Something was missing, http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/35146415/ Sorry, Manuel ---Mensagem original--- De: Manuel Magalhães Data: 08/18/05 22:04:01 Para: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Assunto: Peso: My First Peso Hi all, During my vacations I bought a F35-135mm 3.5-4.5 in an old shop to an old guy, in Andorra. As I said before it is a brand new lens with more or less 15 years old. So here is one shot taken in Bilbao Spain. Comments are welcome. Manuel
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How should I put this, it's very clear... Manuel Magalhães wrote: Hi all, During my vacations I bought a F35-135mm 3.5-4.5 in an old shop to an old guy, in Andorra. As I said before it is a brand new lens with more or less 15 years old. So here is one shot taken in Bilbao Spain. Comments are welcome. Manuel -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: PESO: My First PESO
In a message dated 8/11/2005 1:06:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html take care, Glen == Interesting shot! It's so perfect it looks unreal -- like a stage set or something. Keep them coming. Marnie aka Doe
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I like it a lot Glen. A nice calm relaxing picture postcard feel. Well done. Dave On 8/12/05, Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html take care, Glen
Re: PESO: My First PESO
On 8/11/05, Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html Holy crap, I like this shot! It's the lighting. It's about perfect. The rest of the shot is pretty damned good, too. Love the tight geometrical precision with which it's composed and framed. Great stuff. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 11/8/05, Glen, discombobulated, unleashed: I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html That's a very appealing shot! I like the symmetry and the colour. And there's lots happening in it. Well done you. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Nice, but it looks over processed, more like a table top model, say for an HO gauge railroad layout, than a real place... Glen wrote: Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html take care, Glen -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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At 04:33 PM 8/11/2005, P. J. Alling wrote: Nice, but it looks over processed, more like a table top model, say for an HO gauge railroad layout, than a real place... Hi PJ, I assume that you know that Pullman Square refers to the railroad industry? People in Huntington are very fond of railroad imagery and themes. The design of many features of this town square are intended to echo a railroad theme, so it's not too surprising that you found some resemblance to a model railroad. ;-) However, if you want to see real scale models of the area, click here: http://www.cityofhuntington.com/Work_and_Do_Business/ps-model.asp I hope you agree that my image looks far more realistic than scale models. ;-) Also, if you want to see the JPEG version of my original image (caution: it's large), click here: http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/Pullman.jpg This version is pretty much unprocessed, except for conversion from Pentax RAW format. take care, Glen
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Excellent! In the near perfection of the square and the bright colors in which it's rendered, it has an almost surreal quality to it. Great shot, well executed. Paul On 11/8/05, Glen, discombobulated, unleashed: I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html That's a very appealing shot! I like the symmetry and the colour. And there's lots happening in it. Well done you. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Well, yes I know about who Pullman was. It's not just the layout of the square. Looking at the original, it looks like a noise reduction program was used on the image at high settings and then it was over sharpened, (at least that's what it looks like from the halos around so many objects), to combat the softness the noise reduction imposed on the image. This resulted in a cartoonie artificial look. It's not a bad image, in fact it's a very good image, just looks less like a photograph than I think it should. Glen wrote: At 04:33 PM 8/11/2005, P. J. Alling wrote: Nice, but it looks over processed, more like a table top model, say for an HO gauge railroad layout, than a real place... Hi PJ, I assume that you know that Pullman Square refers to the railroad industry? People in Huntington are very fond of railroad imagery and themes. The design of many features of this town square are intended to echo a railroad theme, so it's not too surprising that you found some resemblance to a model railroad. ;-) However, if you want to see real scale models of the area, click here: http://www.cityofhuntington.com/Work_and_Do_Business/ps-model.asp I hope you agree that my image looks far more realistic than scale models. ;-) Also, if you want to see the JPEG version of my original image (caution: it's large), click here: http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/Pullman.jpg This version is pretty much unprocessed, except for conversion from Pentax RAW format. take care, Glen -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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It's a really lovely shot. I love the star shapes in the street lights; they add sparkle and interest to a very nice scene. Glen wrote: Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html
Re: PESO: My First PESO
At 05:26 PM 8/11/2005, P. J. Alling wrote: Well, yes I know about who Pullman was. It's not just the layout of the square. Looking at the original, it looks like a noise reduction program was used on the image at high settings and then it was over sharpened, (at least that's what it looks like from the halos around so many objects), to combat the softness the noise reduction imposed on the image. This resulted in a cartoonie artificial look. It's not a bad image, in fact it's a very good image, just looks less like a photograph than I think it should. There was no noise reduction program used. When I converted to JPEG, I turned off color and luminance noise reduction in Photoshop's Camera RAW plugin. However, you're correct about the sharpening. During the conversion from RAW, the image was set for maximum sharpness which resulted in the halos you see around so many objects. I know this is extreme, but I liked the look of the very sharpened image better than the look of the slightly blurry alternative. On most of my images, I don't set the sharpness nearly so high during conversion from RAW. I often don't sharpen at all during the conversion. For some reason, this one image seemed more interesting to me with the extreme sharpness setting. I was hoping that when viewed from an appropriate distance, the halos wouldn't be noticed. ;-) take care, Glen
RE: PESO: My First PESO
Hi Glen, A very pleasing shot! Nice balance, composition and color. It feel real and the lights are great. Thanks for sharing. Tom C. From: Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: My First PESO Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:06:00 -0400 Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html take care, Glen
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Interesting image. It almost looks like an illustration to me. What post processing did you do? Butch
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Nice, Glen. You got just the right time of day. Joe
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On 8/11/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice, but it looks over processed, more like a table top model, say for an HO gauge railroad layout, than a real place... My initial thoughts, exactly. But I like the way it looks. Very cool photo. Glen wrote: Hello, I just uploaded one of the images I shot with the *istDS. The picture was shot at twilight, with the camera resting on the handrail of a balcony. The image is of Huntington, West Virginia. I would have preferred the skyline of New York or LA, but this is all I had to work with. ;-) http://mclilith.audioshot.net/photos2005/pullman.html take care, Glen -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
