Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Gonz wrote: Oops wrong pic. It should have been: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg Gonz wrote: Another one with a similar technique as "Soft", easier to do in PS. http://www.g0nz.com/images/ksoftaprox.jpg Comments welcome. rg I like "k2" much more than "k", which seems a little flat to me. k2 has a lovely waking from a dream quality. Pretty girl, too. I also prefer to use Gaussian blur to Lens blur for this sort of thing. Lens blur tries to mimic iris shapes, but for me, the ideal bokeh needs a perfectly round aperture, hence smooth blurring D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
On 1/30/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oops wrong pic. It should have been: > > http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg I like this one even better than the first one! She has gorgeous eyes... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
frank theriault wrote: On 1/30/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oops wrong pic. It should have been: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg I like this one even better than the first one! She has gorgeous eyes... Thanks Frank. I like this one better too. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Thanks for the comments Derby. I think it might be useful to me to take a picture with a soft lens to see what it actually looks like vs the same picture using a normal lens. I might take up an offer that was made by a member to let me borrow one. The gaussian blur is only a layer that is partially contributing to the final image. I might try adding a series of layers with varying degrees of contribution from each. rg Derby Chang wrote: Gonz wrote: Oops wrong pic. It should have been: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg Gonz wrote: Another one with a similar technique as "Soft", easier to do in PS. http://www.g0nz.com/images/ksoftaprox.jpg Comments welcome. rg I like "k2" much more than "k", which seems a little flat to me. k2 has a lovely waking from a dream quality. Pretty girl, too. I also prefer to use Gaussian blur to Lens blur for this sort of thing. Lens blur tries to mimic iris shapes, but for me, the ideal bokeh needs a perfectly round aperture, hence smooth blurring D -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Hi, You might consider getting an old lens, like an Auto Takumar, which can be purchased for a reasonable price, especially if the front element has some "cleaning marks." Right now I'm looking for one of those - one recently went for $37.00 on an auction site and was described as being in mint condition. I picked one up not too long ago for $6.00 plus shipping - it had a ding in the front threads so a filter wouldn't attach properly. Also, look at some Russian lenses. I've used one that I borrowed from Juan that gave reasonably soft results, and just bought an Industar for the Leica, also for a measly $6.00 plus shipping. I like the second photo quite a bit, so much so that I couldn't help playing around with it a bit in PS. I did it for my own pleasure, but if you'd like to see it, just say the word. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Gonz > Thanks for the comments Derby. I think it might be useful to me to take > a picture with a soft lens to see what it actually looks like vs the > same picture using a normal lens. I might take up an offer that was > made by a member to let me borrow one. > > The gaussian blur is only a layer that is partially contributing to the > final image. I might try adding a series of layers with varying degrees > of contribution from each. > > rg > > > Derby Chang wrote: > > Gonz wrote: > > > >> Oops wrong pic. It should have been: > >> > >> http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi, You might consider getting an old lens, like an Auto Takumar, which can be purchased for a reasonable price, especially if the front element has some "cleaning marks." They are surprisingly "sharp", however, compared to the effects of one of the "soft" lenses like the Pentax 85 2.8 soft. I'm not sure what is happening optically inside those lenses that create that effect, but I'm sure an aproximation can be made in PS if you could break it down to aproximate transformations of the original image. Right now I'm looking for one of those - one recently went for $37.00 on an auction site and was described as being in mint condition. I picked one up not too long ago for $6.00 plus shipping - it had a ding in the front threads so a filter wouldn't attach properly. Wow. Good deal. Also, look at some Russian lenses. I've used one that I borrowed from Juan that gave reasonably soft results, and just bought an Industar for the Leica, also for a measly $6.00 plus shipping. I like the second photo quite a bit, so much so that I couldn't help playing around with it a bit in PS. I did it for my own pleasure, but if you'd like to see it, just say the word. I would like to see it, thanks for looking. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz Thanks for the comments Derby. I think it might be useful to me to take a picture with a soft lens to see what it actually looks like vs the same picture using a normal lens. I might take up an offer that was made by a member to let me borrow one. The gaussian blur is only a layer that is partially contributing to the final image. I might try adding a series of layers with varying degrees of contribution from each. rg Derby Chang wrote: Gonz wrote: Oops wrong pic. It should have been: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Adjusted version: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/soft.html The Gonz Original: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg The differences are subtle, apart from the crop, so, if you can, you might want to look at the two side-by-side. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > You might consider getting an old lens, like an Auto Takumar, which can be > > purchased for a reasonable price, especially if the front element has some > > "cleaning marks." > > > They are surprisingly "sharp", however, compared to the effects of one > of the "soft" lenses like the Pentax 85 2.8 soft. I'm not sure what is > happening optically inside those lenses that create that effect, but I'm > sure an aproximation can be made in PS if you could break it down to > aproximate transformations of the original image. > > > Right now I'm looking for one of those - one recently went for $37.00 on an > > auction site and was described as being in mint condition. I picked one up > > not too long ago for $6.00 plus shipping - it had a ding in the front > > threads so a filter wouldn't attach properly. > > > Wow. Good deal. > > > Also, look at some Russian lenses. I've used one that I borrowed from Juan > > that gave reasonably soft results, and just bought an Industar for the > > Leica, also for a measly $6.00 plus shipping. > > > > I like the second photo quite a bit, so much so that I couldn't help > > playing around with it a bit in PS. I did it for my own pleasure, but if > > you'd like to see it, just say the word. > > > > I would like to see it, thanks for looking.
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Very nice, thanks. I see you touched up some of the blemishes, which I debated doing or not. The crop is also very interesting, giving more space to the right and not centering the face. Your crop looks alot better to me. I appreciate your efforts. I learned something. rg Shel Belinkoff wrote: Adjusted version: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/soft.html The Gonz Original: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg The differences are subtle, apart from the crop, so, if you can, you might want to look at the two side-by-side. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Shel Belinkoff wrote: You might consider getting an old lens, like an Auto Takumar, which can be purchased for a reasonable price, especially if the front element has some "cleaning marks." They are surprisingly "sharp", however, compared to the effects of one of the "soft" lenses like the Pentax 85 2.8 soft. I'm not sure what is happening optically inside those lenses that create that effect, but I'm sure an aproximation can be made in PS if you could break it down to aproximate transformations of the original image. Right now I'm looking for one of those - one recently went for $37.00 on an auction site and was described as being in mint condition. I picked one up not too long ago for $6.00 plus shipping - it had a ding in the front threads so a filter wouldn't attach properly. Wow. Good deal. Also, look at some Russian lenses. I've used one that I borrowed from Juan that gave reasonably soft results, and just bought an Industar for the Leica, also for a measly $6.00 plus shipping. I like the second photo quite a bit, so much so that I couldn't help playing around with it a bit in PS. I did it for my own pleasure, but if you'd like to see it, just say the word. I would like to see it, thanks for looking. -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Hmmm ... you didn't mention the slightly warmer tone ... were you not able to see it? It's subtle. If you view the pic in PS, which is a color managed space, the differences may become more apparent. Glad you found the crop to your liking ;-)) Shel > [Original Message] > From: Gonz > Very nice, thanks. I see you touched up some of the blemishes, which I > debated doing or not. The crop is also very interesting, giving more > space to the right and not centering the face. Your crop looks alot > better to me. I appreciate your efforts. I learned something. > > rg > > > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Adjusted version: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/soft.html > > > > The Gonz Original: > > http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg > > > > The differences are subtle, apart from the crop, so, if you can, you might > > want to look at the two side-by-side.
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Here is a link to some casual portraits illustrating the range of softening available from the Pentax FA 85mm f2.8 Soft. lens: http://www.pbase.com/jamesk8752/fa85_soft Regards, Jim
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
I didnt notice the tone. My LCD display here is not the best for viewing pics. At home I have a nice large color managed CRT which would probably show it. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hmmm ... you didn't mention the slightly warmer tone ... were you not able to see it? It's subtle. If you view the pic in PS, which is a color managed space, the differences may become more apparent. Glad you found the crop to your liking ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz Very nice, thanks. I see you touched up some of the blemishes, which I debated doing or not. The crop is also very interesting, giving more space to the right and not centering the face. Your crop looks alot better to me. I appreciate your efforts. I learned something. rg Shel Belinkoff wrote: Adjusted version: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/soft.html The Gonz Original: http://www.g0nz.com/images/k2softaprox.jpg The differences are subtle, apart from the crop, so, if you can, you might want to look at the two side-by-side. -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
Thats amazing. Thanks Jim. I shows a much larger soft effect than I expected at 2.8. I dont think you can achieve this with cheap normal lenses as has been mentioned. Jim King wrote: Here is a link to some casual portraits illustrating the range of softening available from the Pentax FA 85mm f2.8 Soft. lens: http://www.pbase.com/jamesk8752/fa85_soft Regards, Jim -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
A fat guy squinting in the sun??? -- Original message -- From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thats amazing. Thanks Jim. I shows a much larger soft effect than I > expected at 2.8. I dont think you can achieve this with cheap normal > lenses as has been mentioned. > > > Jim King wrote: > > Here is a link to some casual portraits illustrating the range of > > softening available from the Pentax FA 85mm f2.8 Soft. lens: > > http://www.pbase.com/jamesk8752/fa85_soft > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > -- > Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I > was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's > a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? > - Mitch Hedberg >
Re: PESO - Soft part deux (corrected url)
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, 12:51:48, pnstenquist wrote: A fat guy squinting in the sun??? He's my financial advisor; I thought I'd put him to some honest work for a change! I'd just received the lens and wanted a subject for my tests of proper operation. A little softening did him a world of good... Regards, Jim
