Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-15 Thread Toine
Thanks for the link. I will pull some of my hairs in my eyebrows to
check for Demodex mites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demodex

Toine

2009/9/15 Alastair Robertson kiwibiolog...@gmail.com:
 These are phoretic mites - not varroa and probably not harmful.
 Insects commonly carry these - see
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoresy  Bumblebees like yours frequently
 carry them.  Nice pic but a touch more DOF would have had the whole
 eye and mites in focus.  I usually do macros like this with at least
 F8 but preferably F16 or above, unless of course, you are after some
 selective focus which should include the eye
 Alastair

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 I then stand corrected. Those are not crab-like. Still an ugly scene if 
 you're a bee.

 I'll be itching for a week, between seeing this and the heavy flea season in 
 my area. Oh yes, the bed bugs that we can't see that munch on us in the 
 night.

 On Sep 14, 2009, at 01:32 , eckinator wrote:

 True but the mite pic doesn't show Varroa destructor - if you do a
 google image search you will find Varroa looks more like a crab with
 the body in the shape of a sideways oval:
 http://dma01.com/u/195/b/a9666a1ced2af41beaf9.jpg BTW those critters
 are delicious... used to snorkel for them in the early 80s when I was
 still a kid and they were easy to find. That is no longer the case.
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/14 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:

 I'm no expert, but I disagree. The behind of these creatures match the
 capped look of your photo of the mite, and the forest of legs sticking up
 match the coloration of the mite legs in your photo as well. Diving in
 posture. 24 full screen get really ugly.


 On Sep 13, 2009, at 12:39 , Toine wrote:

 All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
 the mites in close-up:

 http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

 Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

 Toine

 2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:

 Tough one.
 Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
 Beezilla's cousin...
 If you want my vote, it is NO
 Great image nonetheless!
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
 the list can give the answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

 That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

 Joseph McAllister
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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread Joseph McAllister
I'm no expert, but I disagree. The behind of these creatures match the  
capped look of your photo of the mite, and the forest of legs sticking  
up match the coloration of the mite legs in your photo as well. Diving  
in posture. 24 full screen get really ugly.



On Sep 13, 2009, at 12:39 , Toine wrote:


All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
the mites in close-up:

http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

Toine

2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:

Tough one.
Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
Beezilla's cousin...
If you want my vote, it is NO
Great image nonetheless!
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:


A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
the list can give the answer.

http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

Toine


That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.


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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread eckinator
True but the mite pic doesn't show Varroa destructor - if you do a
google image search you will find Varroa looks more like a crab with
the body in the shape of a sideways oval:
http://dma01.com/u/195/b/a9666a1ced2af41beaf9.jpg BTW those critters
are delicious... used to snorkel for them in the early 80s when I was
still a kid and they were easy to find. That is no longer the case.
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/14 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 I'm no expert, but I disagree. The behind of these creatures match the
 capped look of your photo of the mite, and the forest of legs sticking up
 match the coloration of the mite legs in your photo as well. Diving in
 posture. 24 full screen get really ugly.


 On Sep 13, 2009, at 12:39 , Toine wrote:

 All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
 the mites in close-up:

 http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

 Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

 Toine

 2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:

 Tough one.
 Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
 Beezilla's cousin...
 If you want my vote, it is NO
 Great image nonetheless!
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
 the list can give the answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

 That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

 Joseph McAllister
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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread mike wilson

 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Tough one.
 Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
 Beezilla's cousin...
 If you want my vote, it is NO

Seconded:
http://entomology.ifas.ufl.edu/creatures/misc/bees/varroa_feeding2.htm


 Great image nonetheless!
 Cheers
 Ecke
 
 2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
 
  A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
  destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
  the list can give the answer.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l
 
  Toine
 
  That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.
 
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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread Toine
Josten,
Thanks for the links. A pollen mite could be it. The bee was moving
slow and didn't want to fly (maybe dying) so I could observe the
crowd. The mites sometimes moved around on his body and sometimes
crowded his back, which is strange for a parasite.
My vote goes to pollen mites.
Toine


2009/9/13 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
 Very interesting pic, Toine.
 After 20 minutes of goofing around with google, I also vote against
 Varroa, based on general body shape. The mites (i'm pretty sure
 they're mites anyway) are longer than they are broad. The Varroa
 isn't, except for some very early development stages.

 Could it be that your mites are just associated with the bees rather
 than direct parasites?

 The closest match I could find was a pollen mite, hitching a ride
 with a Mason Bee.
 http://blueberrytalk.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/mason-bees-and-pollen-mites/

 There's some more information on this mite here:
 http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/beemites/Species_Accounts/Melittiphis.htm

 On the same site there's also information about another scavenging
 mite that might inhabit honey bee colonies:
 http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/beemites/species_accounts/Pneumolaelaps.htm
 But I can't find any image of these relating the size to a bee, or
 even a bumblebee. :-(


 Jostein




 2009/9/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa destructor
 which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of the list can give the
 answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread eckinator
I guess it mite have been anything ]=)
How about it wasn't after bee meat but in fact a Vegemite?

2009/9/14 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 Josten,
 Thanks for the links. A pollen mite could be it. The bee was moving
 slow and didn't want to fly (maybe dying) so I could observe the
 crowd. The mites sometimes moved around on his body and sometimes
 crowded his back, which is strange for a parasite.
 My vote goes to pollen mites.
 Toine


 2009/9/13 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
 Very interesting pic, Toine.
 After 20 minutes of goofing around with google, I also vote against
 Varroa, based on general body shape. The mites (i'm pretty sure
 they're mites anyway) are longer than they are broad. The Varroa
 isn't, except for some very early development stages.

 Could it be that your mites are just associated with the bees rather
 than direct parasites?

 The closest match I could find was a pollen mite, hitching a ride
 with a Mason Bee.
 http://blueberrytalk.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/mason-bees-and-pollen-mites/

 There's some more information on this mite here:
 http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/beemites/Species_Accounts/Melittiphis.htm

 On the same site there's also information about another scavenging
 mite that might inhabit honey bee colonies:
 http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/beemites/species_accounts/Pneumolaelaps.htm
 But I can't find any image of these relating the size to a bee, or
 even a bumblebee. :-(


 Jostein




 2009/9/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa destructor
 which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of the list can give the
 answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread Joseph McAllister
I then stand corrected. Those are not crab-like. Still an ugly scene  
if you're a bee.


I'll be itching for a week, between seeing this and the heavy flea  
season in my area. Oh yes, the bed bugs that we can't see that munch  
on us in the night.


On Sep 14, 2009, at 01:32 , eckinator wrote:

True but the mite pic doesn't show Varroa destructor - if you do a
google image search you will find Varroa looks more like a crab with
the body in the shape of a sideways oval:
http://dma01.com/u/195/b/a9666a1ced2af41beaf9.jpg BTW those critters
are delicious... used to snorkel for them in the early 80s when I was
still a kid and they were easy to find. That is no longer the case.
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/14 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
I'm no expert, but I disagree. The behind of these creatures match  
the
capped look of your photo of the mite, and the forest of legs  
sticking up
match the coloration of the mite legs in your photo as well. Diving  
in

posture. 24 full screen get really ugly.


On Sep 13, 2009, at 12:39 , Toine wrote:


All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
the mites in close-up:

http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

Toine

2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:


Tough one.
Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
Beezilla's cousin...
If you want my vote, it is NO
Great image nonetheless!
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:


A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
the list can give the answer.

http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

Toine


That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.


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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-14 Thread Alastair Robertson
These are phoretic mites - not varroa and probably not harmful.
Insects commonly carry these - see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoresy  Bumblebees like yours frequently
carry them.  Nice pic but a touch more DOF would have had the whole
eye and mites in focus.  I usually do macros like this with at least
F8 but preferably F16 or above, unless of course, you are after some
selective focus which should include the eye
Alastair

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 I then stand corrected. Those are not crab-like. Still an ugly scene if 
 you're a bee.

 I'll be itching for a week, between seeing this and the heavy flea season in 
 my area. Oh yes, the bed bugs that we can't see that munch on us in the night.

 On Sep 14, 2009, at 01:32 , eckinator wrote:

 True but the mite pic doesn't show Varroa destructor - if you do a
 google image search you will find Varroa looks more like a crab with
 the body in the shape of a sideways oval:
 http://dma01.com/u/195/b/a9666a1ced2af41beaf9.jpg BTW those critters
 are delicious... used to snorkel for them in the early 80s when I was
 still a kid and they were easy to find. That is no longer the case.
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/14 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:

 I'm no expert, but I disagree. The behind of these creatures match the
 capped look of your photo of the mite, and the forest of legs sticking up
 match the coloration of the mite legs in your photo as well. Diving in
 posture. 24 full screen get really ugly.


 On Sep 13, 2009, at 12:39 , Toine wrote:

 All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
 the mites in close-up:

 http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

 Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

 Toine

 2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:

 Tough one.
 Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
 Beezilla's cousin...
 If you want my vote, it is NO
 Great image nonetheless!
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
 the list can give the answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

 That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

 Joseph McAllister
 pentax...@mac.com

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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
Interesting shot. Very clean.

Not sure if i would like to see the bees head in focus as well, but i
like it regardless.
Dave

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 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa destructor
 which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of the list can give the
 answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

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RE: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread Bob W
 
 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa 
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of 
 the list can give the answer.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l
 
 Toine

That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

Bob


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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread eckinator
Tough one.
Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
Beezilla's cousin...
If you want my vote, it is NO
Great image nonetheless!
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
 the list can give the answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

 That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread Toine
All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
the mites in close-up:

http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

Toine

2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Tough one.
 Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
 Beezilla's cousin...
 If you want my vote, it is NO
 Great image nonetheless!
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
 the list can give the answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

 That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

 Bob


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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread eckinator
Positively not Varroa.
By the same token positively not hitchhiking; no towel.
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
 the mites in close-up:

 http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

 Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

 Toine

 2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Tough one.
 Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
 Beezilla's cousin...
 If you want my vote, it is NO
 Great image nonetheless!
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
 destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
 the list can give the answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

 That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

 Bob


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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling

Douglas Adams has much to answer for...

eckinator wrote:

Positively not Varroa.
By the same token positively not hitchhiking; no towel.
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
  

All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
the mites in close-up:

http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

Maybe they are only hitchhiking...

Toine

2009/9/13 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:


Tough one.
Adult Varroa mites are much bigger in proportion - unless this is
Beezilla's cousin...
If you want my vote, it is NO
Great image nonetheless!
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/13 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
  

A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa
destructor which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of
the list can give the answer.

http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

Toine
  

That's a superb shot - horrible subject matter though.

Bob


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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread AlunFoto
Very interesting pic, Toine.
After 20 minutes of goofing around with google, I also vote against
Varroa, based on general body shape. The mites (i'm pretty sure
they're mites anyway) are longer than they are broad. The Varroa
isn't, except for some very early development stages.

Could it be that your mites are just associated with the bees rather
than direct parasites?

The closest match I could find was a pollen mite, hitching a ride
with a Mason Bee.
http://blueberrytalk.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/mason-bees-and-pollen-mites/

There's some more information on this mite here:
http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/beemites/Species_Accounts/Melittiphis.htm

On the same site there's also information about another scavenging
mite that might inhabit honey bee colonies:
http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/beemites/species_accounts/Pneumolaelaps.htm
But I can't find any image of these relating the size to a bee, or
even a bumblebee. :-(


Jostein




2009/9/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 A bee unter attack from ugly parasites. Is this Varroa destructor
 which kills our honey bee's. Maybe the wisdom of the list can give the
 answer.

 http://tinyurl.com/qqeu2l

 Toine

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Re: PESO Bee killers

2009-09-13 Thread AlunFoto
2009/9/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 All the googled pics of Varroa indicate this isn't Varroa. Got on of
 the mites in close-up:

 http://tinyurl.com/m6fmrr

 Maybe they are only hitchhiking...


Duh... What I get for not reading the whole thread before responding. :-)

Hope the links could be useful for you anyway.

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