Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
Let the waiting commence! (I refer to the time it took Pentax to develop and bring to market 60-250 lens)... On 2/3/2013 10:36 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
It would be nice if I lived long enough to see a full frame 645D. I believe it could happen, but it won't be soon. From: Bruce Walker Which is implicitly covered by the 1.0 crop factor. AOV, DOF are both different. You get the 35mm look which is undoubtedly a desirable feature. But it gets even better with a medium format camera (645D anyone?) and better still with a large format. I think my own shooting could benefit from something like a Phase One back on a Mamiya body. Absolutely gorgeous tonal rendering and bokeh in portraits, like nothing you can get with any FF or APS-C. snap Ooops, back to the Real World. :-) (But I see that Vistek has a special on a used P25: $5300. All I need now is the Mamiya and some lenses ...) On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: One difference not often mentioned is that it is easier to achieve shallow depth of field with a larger sensor. gs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd guess that my raw technical skill and ability to get a clear, sharp, photograph is likely in the upper half of people who own DSLRs and three or more lenses for them. I choose three to distinguish from the people who buy a DSLR kit with one or two lenses and use them as an expensive point and shoot. If Pentax were to make a full frame version of the K-5, i.e. same pixel density and performance on a 24x36 sensor, and the same performance and features otherwise, I expect that I would see two advantages: 1) I would effectively have nearly twice the number of lenses, because most of my glass would work without vignetting, and I'd get 1.5x wider AOVs on all of my lenses. Mind you, my 50 on APS would be the same AOV as my 77 on FF, so the actual difference is probably closer to 1.5 times the lens choices rather than 2 times. 2) Due to the physics limitations of registration distance, I'd see a substantial improvement in performance at the wide end, particularly in low light. I would, however, be surprised to find a huge difference in the sharpness, clarity, technical excellence, whatever in the vast majority of my photos. I'm pretty good at pushing the limits of performance of my gear in stupid low light, but landscapes and such, in good light. First, I'll need to spend a lot of money on a much better tripod and head than I have. And then there are all of the physical limitations as mentioned in other posts in this and the sister thread on the topic. I think that it would be accurate to say that for the vast majority of people that might buy a camera, the only two things that a full frame DSLR Pentax would give them over an APS equivalent are bragging rights and less money in their bank account. So, in a reality based market, Pentax would be a little foolish to bring out a FF DSLR. The market, however, is not reality based. There are a tremendous number of people that won't buy Pentax, or are considering changing to another brand because Pentax doesn't have a FF option. Never mind that in most respects the K-5 will outperform a large percentage of FF DSLRs, and we can probably expect a significant improvement in the next generation of body. If the goal of Pentax were to produce a camera system with the absolute best possible image performance they would (cue wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth) abandon the DSLR format and develop a mirrorless system that uses a 24x36, or larger, sensor. The physical limitations of a mirrorbox, combined with the jarring and vibration of a 24x36 mirror bouncing around every time that you take a photo are direct impediments to the imaging system. As soon as you have to add lenses for retrofocus you lose speed and sharpness of your lens. If the mirror bouncing around weren't a problem, there wouldn't be so much attention paid to mirror lockup, and two second delays. I'm sorry, but physics is simply an unforgiving bitch. I suppose that Pentax could try some sort of crazy end run and keep the K-mount and registration distance by doing something like putting a 645D (36x48) sensor in something like a K-01. A medium format sensor and a 35mm registration distance, and you have at least the theoretical potential for wider AOV without the retrofocus elements, but I don't think that even Pentax's pet mad scientists are quite that crazy. Hell, I don't think that even I'm that crazy. Yes, in good light, optical viewfinders have all sorts of advantages over electronic. But in lousy light electronic viewfinders work better, and in my opinion the quality of the final image is more important than the quality of the image in the viewfinder. If an optical viewfinder were that important, I could just buy an optical viewfinder to slip in the hot shoe. But, no matter what path they take, I'm fairly sure it will be one that will allow me to use most of my existing lenses, at least with an adapter, and that if the full frame body costs less than $3,000, and I'm still employed, I'll probably buy one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
On 6/2/13, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed: That seems at odds with this marvelous image that you, yourself, posted and which doesn't seem to have any trace of chocolate (Belgian or otherwise) in its composition. http://www.cottysnaps.com/yum.html Oh *that* one. I ate that a couple of years ago with a sharp Muscadet if I recall correctly. I think the context might have been something to do with 'if William Robb rejoins the list, I'll eat my...' -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/2/13, David Parsons, discombobulated, unleashed: Whatever Pentax is planning with FF, they are up to something. Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And that, pretty much, is how I feel about FF. My photo course starts up again on Friday (another three years to go for us part timers) and I still don't have the unbearable itch to go FF even as my classmates look at 5D III and D600s. There is so much that I can do that doesn't require FF that I can wait another year or two. I waited long enough for the *ist-D, I can do it again. It would be nice to have tethering software but that is the only thing I couldn't do that my Nikon and Canon classmates could (I am the only non Nikon or Canon shooter). Sent from my iPhone On 06/02/2013, at 7:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'd guess that my raw technical skill and ability to get a clear, sharp, photograph is likely in the upper half of people who own DSLRs and three or more lenses for them. I choose three to distinguish from the people who buy a DSLR kit with one or two lenses and use them as an expensive point and shoot. If Pentax were to make a full frame version of the K-5, i.e. same pixel density and performance on a 24x36 sensor, and the same performance and features otherwise, I expect that I would see two advantages: 1) I would effectively have nearly twice the number of lenses, because most of my glass would work without vignetting, and I'd get 1.5x wider AOVs on all of my lenses. Mind you, my 50 on APS would be the same AOV as my 77 on FF, so the actual difference is probably closer to 1.5 times the lens choices rather than 2 times. 2) Due to the physics limitations of registration distance, I'd see a substantial improvement in performance at the wide end, particularly in low light. I would, however, be surprised to find a huge difference in the sharpness, clarity, technical excellence, whatever in the vast majority of my photos. I'm pretty good at pushing the limits of performance of my gear in stupid low light, but landscapes and such, in good light. First, I'll need to spend a lot of money on a much better tripod and head than I have. And then there are all of the physical limitations as mentioned in other posts in this and the sister thread on the topic. I think that it would be accurate to say that for the vast majority of people that might buy a camera, the only two things that a full frame DSLR Pentax would give them over an APS equivalent are bragging rights and less money in their bank account. So, in a reality based market, Pentax would be a little foolish to bring out a FF DSLR. The market, however, is not reality based. There are a tremendous number of people that won't buy Pentax, or are considering changing to another brand because Pentax doesn't have a FF option. Never mind that in most respects the K-5 will outperform a large percentage of FF DSLRs, and we can probably expect a significant improvement in the next generation of body. If the goal of Pentax were to produce a camera system with the absolute best possible image performance they would (cue wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth) abandon the DSLR format and develop a mirrorless system that uses a 24x36, or larger, sensor. The physical limitations of a mirrorbox, combined with the jarring and vibration of a 24x36 mirror bouncing around every time that you take a photo are direct impediments to the imaging system. As soon as you have to add lenses for retrofocus you lose speed and sharpness of your lens. If the mirror bouncing around weren't a problem, there wouldn't be so much attention paid to mirror lockup, and two second delays. I'm sorry, but physics is simply an unforgiving bitch. I suppose that Pentax could try some sort of crazy end run and keep the K-mount and registration distance by doing something like putting a 645D (36x48) sensor in something like a K-01. A medium format sensor and a 35mm registration distance, and you have at least the theoretical potential for wider AOV without the retrofocus elements, but I don't think that even Pentax's pet mad scientists are quite that crazy. Hell, I don't think that even I'm that crazy. Yes, in good light, optical viewfinders have all sorts of advantages over electronic. But in lousy light electronic viewfinders work better, and in my opinion the quality of the final image is more important than the quality of the image in the viewfinder. If an optical viewfinder were that important, I could just buy an optical viewfinder to slip in the hot shoe. But, no matter what path they take, I'm fairly sure it will be one that will allow me to use most of my existing lenses, at least with an adapter, and that if the full frame body costs less than $3,000, and I'm still employed, I'll probably buy one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly
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Besides commercial studio shooting and classroom situations, is there any real need for tethering? Besides the 1.0 crop factor sensor, is there anything _fundamentally_ different between FF cameras and comparable APS-C cameras? We should really think long and hard about how some other manufacturer's FF body would enable us to improve our photography or enable us to shoot subjects that are impossible to shoot now. I'm not saying there aren't good uses for a FF, but many of us are evaluating the leap from, say a K-5 to a Nikon 800E. Feature-wise that's really a jump from a semi-pro to a pro level camera. The features you gain there aren't attributes of FF per se, but rather they are pro level features. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au wrote: And that, pretty much, is how I feel about FF. My photo course starts up again on Friday (another three years to go for us part timers) and I still don't have the unbearable itch to go FF even as my classmates look at 5D III and D600s. There is so much that I can do that doesn't require FF that I can wait another year or two. I waited long enough for the *ist-D, I can do it again. It would be nice to have tethering software but that is the only thing I couldn't do that my Nikon and Canon classmates could (I am the only non Nikon or Canon shooter). Sent from my iPhone On 06/02/2013, at 7:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'd guess that my raw technical skill and ability to get a clear, sharp, photograph is likely in the upper half of people who own DSLRs and three or more lenses for them. I choose three to distinguish from the people who buy a DSLR kit with one or two lenses and use them as an expensive point and shoot. If Pentax were to make a full frame version of the K-5, i.e. same pixel density and performance on a 24x36 sensor, and the same performance and features otherwise, I expect that I would see two advantages: 1) I would effectively have nearly twice the number of lenses, because most of my glass would work without vignetting, and I'd get 1.5x wider AOVs on all of my lenses. Mind you, my 50 on APS would be the same AOV as my 77 on FF, so the actual difference is probably closer to 1.5 times the lens choices rather than 2 times. 2) Due to the physics limitations of registration distance, I'd see a substantial improvement in performance at the wide end, particularly in low light. I would, however, be surprised to find a huge difference in the sharpness, clarity, technical excellence, whatever in the vast majority of my photos. I'm pretty good at pushing the limits of performance of my gear in stupid low light, but landscapes and such, in good light. First, I'll need to spend a lot of money on a much better tripod and head than I have. And then there are all of the physical limitations as mentioned in other posts in this and the sister thread on the topic. I think that it would be accurate to say that for the vast majority of people that might buy a camera, the only two things that a full frame DSLR Pentax would give them over an APS equivalent are bragging rights and less money in their bank account. So, in a reality based market, Pentax would be a little foolish to bring out a FF DSLR. The market, however, is not reality based. There are a tremendous number of people that won't buy Pentax, or are considering changing to another brand because Pentax doesn't have a FF option. Never mind that in most respects the K-5 will outperform a large percentage of FF DSLRs, and we can probably expect a significant improvement in the next generation of body. If the goal of Pentax were to produce a camera system with the absolute best possible image performance they would (cue wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth) abandon the DSLR format and develop a mirrorless system that uses a 24x36, or larger, sensor. The physical limitations of a mirrorbox, combined with the jarring and vibration of a 24x36 mirror bouncing around every time that you take a photo are direct impediments to the imaging system. As soon as you have to add lenses for retrofocus you lose speed and sharpness of your lens. If the mirror bouncing around weren't a problem, there wouldn't be so much attention paid to mirror lockup, and two second delays. I'm sorry, but physics is simply an unforgiving bitch. I suppose that Pentax could try some sort of crazy end run and keep the K-mount and registration distance by doing something like putting a 645D (36x48) sensor in something like a K-01. A medium format sensor and a 35mm registration distance, and you have at least the theoretical potential for wider AOV without the retrofocus elements, but I don't think that even Pentax's pet mad scientists are quite that crazy. Hell, I don't think that even I'm that crazy. Yes, in good light, optical viewfinders have all sorts of advantages over
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
And that, pretty much, is how I feel about FF. My photo course starts up again on Friday (another three years to go for us part timers) and I still don't have the unbearable itch to go FF even as my classmates look at 5D III and D600s. There is so much that I can do that doesn't require FF that I can wait another year or two. I waited long enough for the *ist-D, I can do it again. It would be nice to have tethering software but that is the only thing I couldn't do that my Nikon and Canon classmates could (I am the only non Nikon or Canon shooter). When I bought my K100 about five years ago, the cost of DSLRs had finally dropped below my pain threshold, and the goal was a short term investment that would last me a few years until a camera with the performance I wanted was available. I wasn't even going to buy anything beyond the kit lens, as I had gone almost 20 years with just a 58/1.4, then my 35-105 series 1 pretty much did everything I needed since then. That lasted almost a week until I tried some low light photography, and bought an FA31 the following Monday. Initially, except for the 18-250 I only bought lenses that would work on full frame. Fast forward a K20, a K-x and 3-4 years and the K-5 was released. It was the DSLR that I had been wanting ever since I first started looking at them. It has some warts, though most of them are things I could fix with access to the source code. Assuming that I'm still employed, I'll probably get a full frame body if/when the price is below $2500. There is very little that I *need* it for, but it would sure be nice to widen the field of view of my 20, 31 and 50mm fast lenses for shooting indoors at what on APS would be 14/1.8, 20/1.8 and 31/1.4. Also, my 50/2.8 macro would be a good walkabout in the forest lens, so I wouldn't need to get a 35/2.8. My bigma would go from standard to long rather than short tele to very long tele, and then be surprisingly useful as a rather large walkaround lens. So, as you can see, since I took care to buy mostly lenses that would work on full frame, buying a full frame body would be easy to justify on the basis of the money that it would save me on lenses that I would effectively get for free with it. -- l...@red4est.com via squirrelmail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
One difference not often mentioned is that it is easier to achieve shallow depth of field with a larger sensor. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ...snip... Besides the 1.0 crop factor sensor, is there anything _fundamentally_ different between FF cameras and comparable APS-C cameras? ...snip... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Which is implicitly covered by the 1.0 crop factor. AOV, DOF are both different. You get the 35mm look which is undoubtedly a desirable feature. But it gets even better with a medium format camera (645D anyone?) and better still with a large format. I think my own shooting could benefit from something like a Phase One back on a Mamiya body. Absolutely gorgeous tonal rendering and bokeh in portraits, like nothing you can get with any FF or APS-C. snap Ooops, back to the Real World. :-) (But I see that Vistek has a special on a used P25: $5300. All I need now is the Mamiya and some lenses ...) On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: One difference not often mentioned is that it is easier to achieve shallow depth of field with a larger sensor. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ...snip... Besides the 1.0 crop factor sensor, is there anything _fundamentally_ different between FF cameras and comparable APS-C cameras? ...snip... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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George Sinos wrote: One difference not often mentioned is that it is easier to achieve shallow depth of field with a larger sensor. gs I find the difference in DOF between APS-C and FF is so small it's not worth mentioning. When you get up to 6x7 format, though... Then DOF gets small enough to be a real issue at times. (And why large format cameras need lens tilt.) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The difference in DOF between FF and apsc is approx 1 fstop. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:43 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen George Sinos wrote: One difference not often mentioned is that it is easier to achieve shallow depth of field with a larger sensor. gs I find the difference in DOF between APS-C and FF is so small it's not worth mentioning. When you get up to 6x7 format, though... Then DOF gets small enough to be a real issue at times. (And why large format cameras need lens tilt.) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/2/13, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: If so, I suggest it should happen during a grand gathering of the PDML at Grandfather Mountain duly documented for the sake of future generations of Pentaxians. You get my flight, I'll eat the hat. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/2/13, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Hell, we could all book tickets to the UK to watch such a major event! Maybe we could get an Oxford Univ. surgery amphitheater as a venue. Au contraire mon frere. I think Pentax OWE it to fly us all to Tokyo and provide me with a dining table at the FF unveiling! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/2/13, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Hasn't the statute of limitations run out on the hat munch? Cotty was right: no full frame. Doing it in a different eon doesn't count. Oh I don't mind Paul. I'm 53 - chances are I'll be dead and buried by the time it happens. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/2/13, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: If all those claiming a FF by Pentax is arriving soon will eat a sock or two for each year they kept claiming that, I'm ready to help Cotty eating his hat right now. That did make me laugh. MARK! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I could clear the calander for a trip to Japan! But I would still like to see the event in one of those old fashioned teaching surgeries, where you sat down in the center and the galleries ran in higher and higher circles around you. And if you had any digestion problems, they could operate immediately. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 4/2/13, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Hell, we could all book tickets to the UK to watch such a major event! Maybe we could get an Oxford Univ. surgery amphitheater as a venue. Au contraire mon frere. I think Pentax OWE it to fly us all to Tokyo and provide me with a dining table at the FF unveiling! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/2/13, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: I could clear the calander for a trip to Japan! But I would still like to see the event in one of those old fashioned teaching surgeries, where you sat down in the center and the galleries ran in higher and higher circles around you. And if you had any digestion problems, they could operate immediately. I said I would eat my hat. I didn't say which one. I have a rather fetching pith helmet made of Belgian chocolate. I won't be having digestive problems ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com On 4 February 2013 14:21, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: It's hard to be competitive when producing in the low volumes Pentax does. Most everybody wants a bargain and Pentax is viewed by many as the bargain brand, yet Pentax's per unit costs must trend higher than competitors because their volume is a mere fraction of, for example Nikon. That means per unit profit will tend to be lower. Add to that the aforementioned tendency of many Pentax users to 'wait until the price drops' and you can see the struggle they face. I expect that they'll need to produce a FF camera, regardless of profit margins, otherwise even their most die-hard proponents would have a hard time taking them seriously. I'm sure whatever they produce will be competent. Then the question becomes will they have the lenses to complement the increased resolution on a FF digital sensor? Right now there's nothing empiric to know how their best FF legacy lenses will work on a FF sensor. No doubt 'good enough' for web and smaller prints. So, following the way of APS-C and FF competitors, a new body will prompt many to purchase new, as of now, theoretical lenses. You mean increased resolution compared to film? In any case, if legacy lenses can withstand a K-5 sensor, they can withstand a 36MP FF sensor, and most of them perform just fine resolution wise on the K-5. I mean increased from APS-C. I wasn't thinking about film. I also was thinking of more than just mathematical resolution (but used only that word). I disagree with a blanket statement on this. I know the following is something you already know. For one, most users of a FF digital would be moving up from APS-C. Their legacy film lenses used on APS-C sensors had an advantage in that the image circle projected on the sensor was cropped and represented pretty much the sweet spot of the lens. It's possible the results from a given lens were overall superior on APS-C as opposed to film. That same lens now used on a high resolution FF sensor, will have what ever deficiencies exist as one moves outwards from the center of the image circle revealed. One paragraph from a Thom Hogan article discussing the D800/E: Resolution not only reveals more detail, it can also reveal more about how your lens performs. A lot was written about how the D800 would out-resolve lenses. Get that out of your mind, because that's not what's happening. Your lenses are capable of resolving even more than the D800 models will manage. But along with that extra resolution comes the ability to actually resolve what the lenses are doing. Poor corners become very obviously poor. Edge to edge sharpness differences (miscentered elements, etc.) become more obvious, especially on a D800E at or near maximum aperture. Chromatic aberrations now encompass more pixels on edges, so often become more visible at pixel level, too. Be prepared to see how your lens actually performs, at least if you're a pixel peeper or printing big. I'm not saying one can't obtain satisfactory results with legacy lenses on FF digital. Satisfactory is relative to final output size and end use of the image. It would be somewhat of a shame to have a higher resolution body and then essentially lose some of that advantage. As usual it's all in the eye of the beholder and of course constrained by what's in the wallet. If that's true, then the question is, if I need new lenses to make the most out of the new body vs. accepting the likely limitations of legacy lenses, is there much difference between staying with Pentax and changing systems all together? Especially so, considering the glacial slowness at which they seem to be moving. Blah, blah, blah. Look Tom, you ALWAYS need new lenses; stop trying to justify your habit to us, we're friends, we know the pain. LOL. Good I have permission then :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well the source is Pentax Fora, and Pentax did have a FF camera in prototype before so that means nothing. Hell Pentax even had that FF prototype out in public for testing. Just playing devils advocate here. On 2/3/2013 4:05 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Tokina people already undisclosed they are developing new lenses for Pentax. http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/tokina-confirms-pentax-full-frame-under-development.html -Messaggio originale- From: George Sinos Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it happens at least Cotty will get lots of fiber. Pentax won't be the last major manufacture to release a FF camera, Olympus and Panasonic still won't have. Oh, wait... On 2/3/2013 8:12 PM, Miserere wrote: This might finally be the hat-eating moment we've all been waiting for :-) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 3 February 2013 15:36, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv: On 5/2/13, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: I could clear the calander for a trip to Japan! But I would still like to see the event in one of those old fashioned teaching surgeries, where you sat down in the center and the galleries ran in higher and higher circles around you. And if you had any digestion problems, they could operate immediately. I said I would eat my hat. I didn't say which one. I have a rather fetching pith helmet made of Belgian chocolate. I won't be having digestive problems ;-) That seems at odds with this marvelous image that you, yourself, posted and which doesn't seem to have any trace of chocolate (Belgian or otherwise) in its composition. http://www.cottysnaps.com/yum.html -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Whatever Pentax is planning with FF, they are up to something. They seem to have remembered that they have a Pinterest account, and have been pinning pictures of cameras and lenses for 2 days now. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well I for one would want that, and I believe that when the MZ-D, (MR-52), was being developed there was full legacy support, by the time the *ist cameras were released not so much, and Pentax quickly added the green button KLUGE to the *ist-D firmware when the shitstorm hit. On 2/3/2013 4:31 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote: The question regarding legacy lenses is, are they going to engineer the mechanical controls for M type lens and integrate the electronic camera controls that allow aperture control without operator intervention i.e. the green button to set the meter on the K-10 cameras? Jonathan Ayers -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of George Sinos Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 12:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Dario Bonazza Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo At this point to be honest, that's about as wishy-washy a confirmation as I've ever heard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Given the smoky way they usually speak about their plans, I'd take that as quite a solid confirmation. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sessoms Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:17 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen From: Dario Bonazza Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo At this point to be honest, that's about as wishy-washy a confirmation as I've ever heard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.2897 / Database dei virus: 2639/6079 - Data di rilascio: 03/02/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It almost sounds like an apology for taking so long. Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Given the smoky way they usually speak about their plans, I'd take that as quite a solid confirmation. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sessoms Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:17 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen From: Dario Bonazza Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo At this point to be honest, that's about as wishy-washy a confirmation as I've ever heard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/2/13, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo The bloke on the right looks like he's sat on a 60-250. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/2/13, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: This might finally be the hat-eating moment we've all been waiting for :-) I really hope it is, but can't see it being offered for sale before 2014. If the functionality is suitable, I will be considering it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If so, I suggest it should happen during a grand gathering of the PDML at Grandfather Mountain duly documented for the sake of future generations of Pentaxians. From: Miserere This might finally be the hat-eating moment we've all been waiting for :-) Cheers, ?M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 3 February 2013 15:36, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com From: Larry Colen On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:17 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: David J Brooks On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:00 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, Just popping back in to PDML land to see whats up. Anything new happening? A new FF Pentax on the horizon (with hat sauce for Cotty). Apparently Pentax Forums is reporting a leaked memo that there is one in the works. But the source. I myself am still eying the D600 at the moment Dave I've been looking at it too. It doesn't have a couple of things Pentax does that I'd like to keep, but Pentax needs to move ahead expeditiously toward getting a full frame body to market. There are a couple of problems with the D600. First of all it seems that for about the first 3,000 shutter actuations it splatters something onto the sensor that needs to be cleaned off. It also falls down in low light focus. In an informal test with similar lenses it was unable to lock focus on a scene that my K-5 was. But, damn! If I had a couple thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket, I'd be very tempted. That's kind of where I am right now. I think Pentax should be able to deliver a camera with all the good things the D600 has PLUS the good things the K-5 is able to do at a competitive price. The D600 only looks attractive to the extent I can't get the full-frame DSLR I want from Pentax. I don't expect to buy a D600. But if Pentax doesn't get off the dime, I expect I will be buying whatever camera Nikon brings out to replace the D600. It's hard to be competitive when producing in the low volumes Pentax does. Most everybody wants a bargain and Pentax is viewed by many as the bargain brand, yet Pentax's per unit costs must trend higher than competitors because their volume is a mere fraction of, for example Nikon. That means per unit profit will tend to be lower. Add to that the aforementioned tendency of many Pentax users to 'wait until the price drops' and you can see the struggle they face. I expect that they'll need to produce a FF camera, regardless of profit margins, otherwise even their most die-hard proponents would have a hard time taking them seriously. Blah, blah, blah (all said before). I'm sure whatever they produce will be competent. Then the question becomes will they have the lenses to complement the increased resolution on a FF digital sensor? Right now there's nothing empiric to know how their best FF legacy lenses will work on a FF sensor. No doubt 'good enough' for web and smaller prints. So, following the way of APS-C and FF competitors, a new body will prompt many to purchase new, as of now, theoretical lenses. If that's true, then the question is, if I need new lenses to make the most out of the new body vs. accepting the likely limitations of legacy lenses, is there much difference between staying with Pentax and changing systems all together? Especially so, considering the glacial slowness at which they seem to be moving. I'm not anti-Pentax, simply pro-reality, wanting what I want in this lifetime and as far this side of the finish line as possible. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tom C I'm sure whatever they produce will be competent. Then the question becomes will they have the lenses to complement the increased resolution on a FF digital sensor? Right now there's nothing empiric to know how their best FF legacy lenses will work on a FF sensor. No doubt 'good enough' for web and smaller prints. So, following the way of APS-C and FF competitors, a new body will prompt many to purchase new, as of now, theoretical lenses. If that's true, then the question is, if I need new lenses to make the most out of the new body vs. accepting the likely limitations of legacy lenses, is there much difference between staying with Pentax and changing systems all together? Especially so, considering the glacial slowness at which they seem to be moving. I'm not anti-Pentax, simply pro-reality, wanting what I want in this lifetime and as far this side of the finish line as possible. They've taken too long already, but my patience is not quite yet come to the end. IF Pentax brings a FF body to market within a reasonable time frame, there is the advantage of being able to use legacy lenses until better lenses become available/affordable. That's on the pro side of the equation. On the con side is the question of how long it's going to take Pentax to get off the dime. A promise that they will announce a Full Frame camera by 2014 is not enough. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4 February 2013 14:21, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: It's hard to be competitive when producing in the low volumes Pentax does. Most everybody wants a bargain and Pentax is viewed by many as the bargain brand, yet Pentax's per unit costs must trend higher than competitors because their volume is a mere fraction of, for example Nikon. That means per unit profit will tend to be lower. Add to that the aforementioned tendency of many Pentax users to 'wait until the price drops' and you can see the struggle they face. I expect that they'll need to produce a FF camera, regardless of profit margins, otherwise even their most die-hard proponents would have a hard time taking them seriously. Funny, but I don't take them seriously for a whole 'nother reason. Blah, blah, blah (all said before). Horse is dead and redead by flogging. I'm sure whatever they produce will be competent. Then the question becomes will they have the lenses to complement the increased resolution on a FF digital sensor? Right now there's nothing empiric to know how their best FF legacy lenses will work on a FF sensor. No doubt 'good enough' for web and smaller prints. So, following the way of APS-C and FF competitors, a new body will prompt many to purchase new, as of now, theoretical lenses. You mean increased resolution compared to film? In any case, if legacy lenses can withstand a K-5 sensor, they can withstand a 36MP FF sensor, and most of them perform just fine resolution wise on the K-5. If that's true, then the question is, if I need new lenses to make the most out of the new body vs. accepting the likely limitations of legacy lenses, is there much difference between staying with Pentax and changing systems all together? Especially so, considering the glacial slowness at which they seem to be moving. Blah, blah, blah. Look Tom, you ALWAYS need new lenses; stop trying to justify your habit to us, we're friends, we know the pain. I'm not anti-Pentax, simply pro-reality, MARK! wanting what I want in this lifetime and as far this side of the finish line as possible. I wonder which one of us will have to wait longer, and which one of us will have the most time before the finish line... Here's to optimism! —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hell, we could all book tickets to the UK to watch such a major event! Maybe we could get an Oxford Univ. surgery amphitheater as a venue. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: If so, I suggest it should happen during a grand gathering of the PDML at Grandfather Mountain duly documented for the sake of future generations of Pentaxians. From: Miserere This might finally be the hat-eating moment we've all been waiting for :-) Cheers, ?M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 3 February 2013 15:36, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hasn't the statute of limitations run out on the hat munch? Cotty was right: no full frame. Doing it in a different eon doesn't count. Paul via phone On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Hell, we could all book tickets to the UK to watch such a major event! Maybe we could get an Oxford Univ. surgery amphitheater as a venue. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: If so, I suggest it should happen during a grand gathering of the PDML at Grandfather Mountain duly documented for the sake of future generations of Pentaxians. From: Miserere This might finally be the hat-eating moment we've all been waiting for :-) Cheers, ?M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 3 February 2013 15:36, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Hasn't the statute of limitations run out on the hat munch? Cotty was right: no full frame. Doing it in a different eon doesn't count. I'm pretty sure there was a time out called during the Hoya ownership ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If all those claiming a FF by Pentax is arriving soon will eat a sock or two for each year they kept claiming that, I'm ready to help Cotty eating his hat right now. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:46 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen Paul Stenquist wrote: Hasn't the statute of limitations run out on the hat munch? Cotty was right: no full frame. Doing it in a different eon doesn't count. I'm pretty sure there was a time out called during the Hoya ownership ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.2897 / Database dei virus: 2639/6081 - Data di rilascio: 04/02/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5 February 2013 08:42, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Hasn't the statute of limitations run out on the hat munch? Cotty was right: no full frame. Doing it in a different eon doesn't count. Where's the like button? :) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tokina people already undisclosed they are developing new lenses for Pentax. http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/tokina-confirms-pentax-full-frame-under-development.html -Messaggio originale- From: George Sinos Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.2897 / Database dei virus: 2639/6078 - Data di rilascio: 03/02/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
Tokina people already undisclosed they are discussing developing new lenses for Pentax. http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/tokina-confirms-pentax-full-frame-under-development.html -Messaggio originale- From: George Sinos Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.2897 / Database dei virus: 2639/6078 - Data di rilascio: 03/02/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax FF is going to happen
The question regarding legacy lenses is, are they going to engineer the mechanical controls for M type lens and integrate the electronic camera controls that allow aperture control without operator intervention i.e. the green button to set the meter on the K-10 cameras? Jonathan Ayers -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of George Sinos Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 12:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
Let me think...no. Paul via phone On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:31 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote: The question regarding legacy lenses is, are they going to engineer the mechanical controls for M type lens and integrate the electronic camera controls that allow aperture control without operator intervention i.e. the green button to set the meter on the K-10 cameras? Jonathan Ayers -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of George Sinos Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 12:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax FF is going to happen It will be interesting to see if they announce a FF lens roadmap at the same time as an announcement of a FF camera body. One of the nice things about the Current aps-c line is the very nice set of available lenses designed specifically for the crop format. They'll need to move pretty fast. Not many people are going to invest in a body that only has a few current lenses available. I know, there are a bunch of old lenses on the used market that will provide limited functions. That's a nice addition to a list of current offerings. But you need to have at least a minimal catalog of two or three zooms to draw a big enough consumer base to matter. I'm sure they can partner with tamron, tokina or some third party lens maker to re-badge enough lenses to get them quickly up to speed. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
On 4 February 2013 08:42, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Let me think...no. They should, Nikon managed to provide significant backwards compatibility on their top end bodies as far as I'm aware. I just hope Sigma come to the party, I would like the 120-300/2.8 but I don't want to have to buy a Nikon to own it. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
Paul via phone On Feb 3, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2013 08:42, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Let me think...no. They should, Nikon managed to provide significant backwards compatibility on their top end bodies as far as I'm aware. I just hope Sigma come to the party, I would like the 120-300/2.8 but I don't want to have to buy a Nikon to own it. I'd like that lens as well. It would work well for much of my work. Paul -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax FF is going to happen
This might finally be the hat-eating moment we've all been waiting for :-) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 3 February 2013 15:36, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Official confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQk4ZkYVzVo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
