Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
William I guess children here are very much like children everywhere else. Selfish, not behaving very considerate, using bad language, noisy etc. Nevertheless, a guy I know is doing 17000 school photografs every august. I figure he must be making considrerately much more than my yearly salery - in just two months - august and september. That's worth at least some trouble - isn't it. I dont want preveiw - just the after check. Will the *ist D software be able to manage my K20D? regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Apr 10, 2009 16:40 William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Subject: Using a PC as monitor for K20D Hi list I want to do school photography. So I want to use a PC as the monitor screen. So, I can check the recordings for closed eyes etc, during the shoot. Is this possible with K20D. I know I have software, that allows my *istD to be managed from a PC . not quite the same, But I thought there might be some kind of similarity here. Answers are agreatly apprecieated. Presuming that kids in Denmark behave as well as kids in Canada Don't do it. You don't have time. If you aren't sure, just take another picture. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
- Original Message - From: Jens Subject: Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D William I guess children here are very much like children everywhere else. Selfish, not behaving very considerate, using bad language, noisy etc. Nevertheless, a guy I know is doing 17000 school photografs every august. I figure he must be making considrerately much more than my yearly salery - in just two months - august and september. That's worth at least some trouble - isn't it. I dont want preveiw - just the after check. Will the *ist D software be able to manage my K20D? Jens, my point is that every extra piece of equipment you bring onto the jobsite has the potential to distract you from your job, and has the potential to turn your work area into a circus. We shoot about a dozen schools per year, none of our photographers has seen the need to take an external monitor (laptop) along to the shoot. If you are using a monitor as instant review you will have a time lag, I don't know how long, between the time the picture is taken and the time it shows up on the monitor. In this time lag, you could just take another shot or two. After the image shows on the external, you have to take your eyes from the camera to check the shot, see if it's good and then either let that student go, or take another shot. Also, the screen just cannot be in view of the subject or they will start mugging to see what sort of idiot expressions they can come up with, but it also can't be in sight of the other students, for the same reason. Meanwhile, you've taken your eye off the ball, which is the subject in front of you. You don't have his/her attention, anymore. School photography is a bit of a pressure cooker. Generally, you have a lot of kids to shoot in not very much time, and you really need to crank them through. Also, kids are a bit like puppies in that they are easily distracted. If you aren't keeping them engaged, their little minds will wander, which can be a bit of a disaster if you need to do another shot because of closed eyes or bad expression. I really think the camera review screen is your best bet here, just from conversations I've had with our photographers and the very limited experience I've had shooting school photos. I'm not saying it isn't worth some trouble, I just can't help but think that overall it really could be trouble, more trouble than it's worth. I don't know if the istD software will manage the K20, but the K20 does have it's own remote assistant software. Anyway, if you decide to take a computer along, I'd be interested to know if it was beneficial, or if you just turned it off as a failed experiment. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
Jens, Pentax did update the adequate software for use with K10D/K20D. You may want to check at home before? Here's the link for win: http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_win.html And for Mac: http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_mac.html For ist-D you need the earlier v2 version. For K10D, you need firmware 1.20. K20D is factory OK. Best regards, -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
Thanks a lot, William I guess you are right. This was what I wanted - some sane advice, form experience. Of cource I am a bit disappointed, that the assistant wil slow down the process. I geuss I could use the remote assistant for our camera club workshops in studio tecnique. It may even be possible to show the computerscreen with a procejtor as the monitor ;-) I have read that live view is not possible using the assistant. Too bad, ehh? http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pentax/k20d-review/ Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Apr 10, 2009 17:36 William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Subject: Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D William I guess children here are very much like children everywhere else. Selfish, not behaving very considerate, using bad language, noisy etc. Nevertheless, a guy I know is doing 17000 school photografs every august. I figure he must be making considrerately much more than my yearly salery - in just two months - august and september. That's worth at least some trouble - isn't it. I dont want preveiw - just the after check. Will the *ist D software be able to manage my K20D? Jens, my point is that every extra piece of equipment you bring onto the jobsite has the potential to distract you from your job, and has the potential to turn your work area into a circus. We shoot about a dozen schools per year, none of our photographers has seen the need to take an external monitor (laptop) along to the shoot. If you are using a monitor as instant review you will have a time lag, I don't know how long, between the time the picture is taken and the time it shows up on the monitor. In this time lag, you could just take another shot or two. After the image shows on the external, you have to take your eyes from the camera to check the shot, see if it's good and then either let that student go, or take another shot. Also, the screen just cannot be in view of the subject or they will start mugging to see what sort of idiot expressions they can come up with, but it also can't be in sight of the other students, for the same reason. Meanwhile, you've taken your eye off the ball, which is the subject in front of you. You don't have his/her attention, anymore. School photography is a bit of a pressure cooker. Generally, you have a lot of kids to shoot in not very much time, and you really need to crank them through. Also, kids are a bit like puppies in that they are easily distracted. If you aren't keeping them engaged, their little minds will wander, which can be a bit of a disaster if you need to do another shot because of closed eyes or bad expression. I really think the camera review screen is your best bet here, just from conversations I've had with our photographers and the very limited experience I've had shooting school photos. I'm not saying it isn't worth some trouble, I just can't help but think that overall it really could be trouble, more trouble than it's worth. I don't know if the istD software will manage the K20, but the K20 does have it's own remote assistant software. Anyway, if you decide to take a computer along, I'd be interested to know if it was beneficial, or if you just turned it off as a failed experiment. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
Thanks very much for the links, Thibouille Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Apr 10, 2009 20:22 Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Jens, Pentax did update the adequate software for use with K10D/K20D. You may want to check at home before? Here's the link for win: http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_win. html And for Mac: http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_mac. html For ist-D you need the earlier v2 version. For K10D, you need firmware 1.20. K20D is factory OK. Best regards, -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
Thanks, Paul Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Apr 10, 2009 17:44 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I agree with Bill. I've used the Pentax assistant software. The write speed is slowed considerably. It's okay for some kinds of studio work but not mass production portraiture. Paul On Apr 10, 2009, at 11:36 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Subject: Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D William I guess children here are very much like children everywhere else. Selfish, not behaving very considerate, using bad language, noisy etc. Nevertheless, a guy I know is doing 17000 school photografs every august. I figure he must be making considrerately much more than my yearly salery - in just two months - august and september. That's worth at least some trouble - isn't it. I dont want preveiw - just the after check. Will the *ist D software be able to manage my K20D? Jens, my point is that every extra piece of equipment you bring onto the jobsite has the potential to distract you from your job, and has the potential to turn your work area into a circus. We shoot about a dozen schools per year, none of our photographers has seen the need to take an external monitor (laptop) along to the shoot. If you are using a monitor as instant review you will have a time lag, I don't know how long, between the time the picture is taken and the time it shows up on the monitor. In this time lag, you could just take another shot or two. After the image shows on the external, you have to take your eyes from the camera to check the shot, see if it's good and then either let that student go, or take another shot. Also, the screen just cannot be in view of the subject or they will start mugging to see what sort of idiot expressions they can come up with, but it also can't be in sight of the other students, for the same reason. Meanwhile, you've taken your eye off the ball, which is the subject in front of you. You don't have his/her attention, anymore. School photography is a bit of a pressure cooker. Generally, you have a lot of kids to shoot in not very much time, and you really need to crank them through. Also, kids are a bit like puppies in that they are easily distracted. If you aren't keeping them engaged, their little minds will wander, which can be a bit of a disaster if you need to do another shot because of closed eyes or bad expression. I really think the camera review screen is your best bet here, just from conversations I've had with our photographers and the very limited experience I've had shooting school photos. I'm not saying it isn't worth some trouble, I just can't help but think that overall it really could be trouble, more trouble than it's worth. I don't know if the istD software will manage the K20, but the K20 does have it's own remote assistant software. Anyway, if you decide to take a computer along, I'd be interested to know if it was beneficial, or if you just turned it off as a failed experiment. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Using a PC as monitor for K20D
Good points, Luiz I'm not sure how this is usually done. I'd prefere being alone waith each student for a few minutes. The guy I know is telling me he is shooting one class - 25 students - in just 15 minutes. I haven't seen his shots, but they certainly made him rich :-) If I can earn my yearly sallery in two months, I will have 8 months left to do really nice, artistic shots elsewhere - and two months holliday with my family ;-) Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Apr 10, 2009 17:27 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Well, I'd take more even if I knew they kept the eyes open... you may take 3 extra pics in the time you take to review one - you'll hardly be checking only the eyes. Were you using film the fun would be just great... waiting for the lab. Depending on the number of kids, the time you'll have them, their age and how confortable they feel with you and the location you should concentrate in more options then perfecting one shot. (keywords being attention span, time they take to brush their just-combed hair with the hands, side chat and giggles, teachers or parents telling them to right their heads or smiling so they look at anyone else but you, etc, etc, etc...) LF William Robb escreveu: - Original Message - From: Jens Subject: Using a PC as monitor for K20D Hi list I want to do school photography. So I want to use a PC as the monitor screen. So, I can check the recordings for closed eyes etc, during the shoot. Is this possible with K20D. I know I have software, that allows my *istD to be managed from a PC . not quite the same, But I thought there might be some kind of similarity here. Answers are agreatly apprecieated. Presuming that kids in Denmark behave as well as kids in Canada Don't do it. You don't have time. If you aren't sure, just take another picture. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
