Re: What do you use?
Clive evans wrote: > > Neally all shooting is on Colour Transparency film , building a stock > library. Hi Clive, I've been shooting quite a bit of stock, but I've found that most stock houses don't want transparencies. They want hi-res scans. So I shoot negative film, which seems to scan somewhat better than transparency film. Paul
Re: What do you use?
scans from slides are less grainy and higher resolution than prints. also, you can see what you are supposed to get. do they notice the difference? Herb - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 23:19 Subject: Re: What do you use? > Hi Clive, > I've been shooting quite a bit of stock, but I've found that most stock > houses don't want transparencies. They want hi-res scans. So I shoot > negative film, which seems to scan somewhat better than transparency > film.
Re: What do you use?
I don't scan from prints. I scan from color negatives shot on Provia 160 or Portra 160 film. With 6x7 negs, the grain is all but invisible on a 40 meg file. Herb Chong wrote: > > scans from slides are less grainy and higher resolution than prints. also, you can > see what you are supposed to get. do they notice the difference? > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 23:19 > Subject: Re: What do you use? > > > Hi Clive, > > I've been shooting quite a bit of stock, but I've found that most stock > > houses don't want transparencies. They want hi-res scans. So I shoot > > negative film, which seems to scan somewhat better than transparency > > film.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
I shoot RAW whether I'm shooting on assignment for a pub or just for my own enjoyment -- with two exceptions. When I've had to do a few shots for the Times at the auto show, I shot jpegs, because the turnaround time was right now. When I shot virtual tours of apartments and houses, which consisted of about 300 exposure and color-temp matched pics per location, I shot jpegs. But even for a massive three day shoot that I now do every year at an event called the Mopar Nationals, where I might shoot as many as 600 frames a day, I shoot RAW. The extra bit of control yields a better finished product, which makes my work more valuable to the customer. Paul On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > The green mode discussion caused me to appreciate two different modes > photographers can work in. When you press the shutter, are you looking for > the file produced to be a final product in and of itself, or are you thinking > of the entire workflow, and treating the RAW file as merely one stage in > producing the final product? > > The people that I expect wanting the final product from a shutter press would > be: > > Snapshooters are the obvious ones. They don't care about the process, they > often just want a recognizable photograph of important moments. I've heard > people wax eloquent about their NEX because they don't need to know anything > about photography to get pretty good photos, they just aim the camera, it > figures out where the faces are, focuses on the faces, does it's digital > magic and gets better photos than they ever could. > > Professionals on assignment are another obvious group wanting finished photos > to spring from their camera like Athena from Zeus's head. The more time they > spend diddling with photos, the less money they make. They aren't > necessarily looking for the best possible photo, they're usually looking for > a photo that is good enough in as little time as possible. > > I expect that the people who look at the raw file as the equivalent of a > negative, rather than a final product would be people who want the best > possible photo, or folks who are trying for some artistic vision that can't > be achieved inside the camera. > > Realistically, the above descriptions aren't really of different people, but > of different immediate goals. If I just need a photograph of where I plan to > mount an attic fan to show my contractor, I don't need sufficient > photographic quality to make a 20x30 print to hang in a gallery. I just need > to convey the critical information. If I'm shooting an event, and could > trust my camera to get everything to JPEG in sufficient quality to post to > the web or make prints without using lightroom, I could probably shoot > directly in JPEG. If I need to go through lightroom anyways, then JPEG > doesn't really save me anything over RAW. The percussionist the other night > was commenting that when photographing for customers to post on the web, he'd > just set his camera to 6MP JPEG, and appreciated the much smaller filesize. > In the same vein, every so often almost everyone finds something that they > want to take the best photo that they can of, and will use every tool at > their disposal. > > One of the things that I need to learn is to recognize what my goals of the > moment are, and how to best fulfill them. I've been working on projects on > the house lately, and have to keep reminding myself that when I'm doing > construction carpentry, I don't need to work to machinist tolerances. > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
Pure enthusiast, although I still prefer amateur. Sometimes RAW, sometimes jpegs depending on the nature of the event or setting. I do enjoy fiddling with the image, but only for a limited number of them. If I get busy or distracted, the shots can lie fallow for some time. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I shoot RAW whether I'm shooting on assignment for a pub or just for my own > enjoyment -- with two exceptions. When I've had to do a few shots for the > Times at the auto show, I shot jpegs, because the turnaround time was right > now. When I shot virtual tours of apartments and houses, which consisted of > about 300 exposure and color-temp matched pics per location, I shot jpegs. > But even for a massive three day shoot that I now do every year at an event > called the Mopar Nationals, where I might shoot as many as 600 frames a day, > I shoot RAW. The extra bit of control yields a better finished product, which > makes my work more valuable to the customer. > Paul > On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> The green mode discussion caused me to appreciate two different modes >> photographers can work in. When you press the shutter, are you looking for >> the file produced to be a final product in and of itself, or are you >> thinking of the entire workflow, and treating the RAW file as merely one >> stage in producing the final product? >> >> The people that I expect wanting the final product from a shutter press >> would be: >> >> Snapshooters are the obvious ones. They don't care about the process, they >> often just want a recognizable photograph of important moments. I've heard >> people wax eloquent about their NEX because they don't need to know anything >> about photography to get pretty good photos, they just aim the camera, it >> figures out where the faces are, focuses on the faces, does it's digital >> magic and gets better photos than they ever could. >> >> Professionals on assignment are another obvious group wanting finished >> photos to spring from their camera like Athena from Zeus's head. The more >> time they spend diddling with photos, the less money they make. They aren't >> necessarily looking for the best possible photo, they're usually looking for >> a photo that is good enough in as little time as possible. >> >> I expect that the people who look at the raw file as the equivalent of a >> negative, rather than a final product would be people who want the best >> possible photo, or folks who are trying for some artistic vision that can't >> be achieved inside the camera. >> >> Realistically, the above descriptions aren't really of different people, but >> of different immediate goals. If I just need a photograph of where I plan >> to mount an attic fan to show my contractor, I don't need sufficient >> photographic quality to make a 20x30 print to hang in a gallery. I just >> need to convey the critical information. If I'm shooting an event, and >> could trust my camera to get everything to JPEG in sufficient quality to >> post to the web or make prints without using lightroom, I could probably >> shoot directly in JPEG. If I need to go through lightroom anyways, then >> JPEG doesn't really save me anything over RAW. The percussionist the other >> night was commenting that when photographing for customers to post on the >> web, he'd just set his camera to 6MP JPEG, and appreciated the much smaller >> filesize. In the same vein, every so often almost everyone finds something >> that they want to take the best photo that they can of, and will use every >> tool at their disposal. >> >> One of the things that I need to learn is to recognize what my goals of the >> moment are, and how to best fulfill them. I've been working on projects on >> the house lately, and have to keep reminding myself that when I'm doing >> construction carpentry, I don't need to work to machinist tolerances. >> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
Coming from an almost exclusive slide background, my goal is to produce the best image possible in-camera - I shoot RAW to take advantage of any technology that will improve on that idea. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: What do you use your camera to produce? I shoot RAW whether I'm shooting on assignment for a pub or just for my own enjoyment -- with two exceptions. When I've had to do a few shots for the Times at the auto show, I shot jpegs, because the turnaround time was right now. When I shot virtual tours of apartments and houses, which consisted of about 300 exposure and color-temp matched pics per location, I shot jpegs. But even for a massive three day shoot that I now do every year at an event called the Mopar Nationals, where I might shoot as many as 600 frames a day, I shoot RAW. The extra bit of control yields a better finished product, which makes my work more valuable to the customer. Paul On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The green mode discussion caused me to appreciate two different modes photographers can work in. When you press the shutter, are you looking for the file produced to be a final product in and of itself, or are you thinking of the entire workflow, and treating the RAW file as merely one stage in producing the final product? The people that I expect wanting the final product from a shutter press would be: Snapshooters are the obvious ones. They don't care about the process, they often just want a recognizable photograph of important moments. I've heard people wax eloquent about their NEX because they don't need to know anything about photography to get pretty good photos, they just aim the camera, it figures out where the faces are, focuses on the faces, does it's digital magic and gets better photos than they ever could. Professionals on assignment are another obvious group wanting finished photos to spring from their camera like Athena from Zeus's head. The more time they spend diddling with photos, the less money they make. They aren't necessarily looking for the best possible photo, they're usually looking for a photo that is good enough in as little time as possible. The professional Outdoor Photographers that I know definitely don't fit into that category - the spend a tremendous amount of time getting everything just right before they even push the shutter release. I expect that the people who look at the raw file as the equivalent of a negative, rather than a final product would be people who want the best possible photo, or folks who are trying for some artistic vision that can't be achieved inside the camera. Realistically, the above descriptions aren't really of different people, but of different immediate goals. If I just need a photograph of where I plan to mount an attic fan to show my contractor, I don't need sufficient photographic quality to make a 20x30 print to hang in a gallery. I just need to convey the critical information. If I'm shooting an event, and could trust my camera to get everything to JPEG in sufficient quality to post to the web or make prints without using lightroom, I could probably shoot directly in JPEG. If I need to go through lightroom anyways, then JPEG doesn't really save me anything over RAW. The percussionist the other night was commenting that when photographing for customers to post on the web, he'd just set his camera to 6MP JPEG, and appreciated the much smaller filesize. In the same vein, every so often almost everyone finds something that they want to take the best photo that they can of, and will use every tool at their disposal. One of the things that I need to learn is to recognize what my goals of the moment are, and how to best fulfill them. I've been working on projects on the house lately, and have to keep reminding myself that when I'm doing construction carpentry, I don't need to work to machinist tolerances. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
I'm with Ken. I shoot RAW exclusively, even when I don't "need" to. I want the most dynamic range possible plus the flexibility. Lightroom and or Photoshop are always part of my workflow. I have programmed the K20D's RAW button to stay in RAW because I've accidentally bumped it in the past and ruined a few otherwise good shots. Life is short; keepers are rare; disk space is cheap. -bmw On 11-04-20 12:01 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Coming from an almost exclusive slide background, my goal is to produce the best image possible in-camera - I shoot RAW to take advantage of any technology that will improve on that idea. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: What do you use your camera to produce? I shoot RAW whether I'm shooting on assignment for a pub or just for my own enjoyment -- with two exceptions. When I've had to do a few shots for the Times at the auto show, I shot jpegs, because the turnaround time was right now. When I shot virtual tours of apartments and houses, which consisted of about 300 exposure and color-temp matched pics per location, I shot jpegs. But even for a massive three day shoot that I now do every year at an event called the Mopar Nationals, where I might shoot as many as 600 frames a day, I shoot RAW. The extra bit of control yields a better finished product, which makes my work more valuable to the customer. Paul On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The green mode discussion caused me to appreciate two different modes photographers can work in. When you press the shutter, are you looking for the file produced to be a final product in and of itself, or are you thinking of the entire workflow, and treating the RAW file as merely one stage in producing the final product? The people that I expect wanting the final product from a shutter press would be: Snapshooters are the obvious ones. They don't care about the process, they often just want a recognizable photograph of important moments. I've heard people wax eloquent about their NEX because they don't need to know anything about photography to get pretty good photos, they just aim the camera, it figures out where the faces are, focuses on the faces, does it's digital magic and gets better photos than they ever could. Professionals on assignment are another obvious group wanting finished photos to spring from their camera like Athena from Zeus's head. The more time they spend diddling with photos, the less money they make. They aren't necessarily looking for the best possible photo, they're usually looking for a photo that is good enough in as little time as possible. The professional Outdoor Photographers that I know definitely don't fit into that category - the spend a tremendous amount of time getting everything just right before they even push the shutter release. I expect that the people who look at the raw file as the equivalent of a negative, rather than a final product would be people who want the best possible photo, or folks who are trying for some artistic vision that can't be achieved inside the camera. Realistically, the above descriptions aren't really of different people, but of different immediate goals. If I just need a photograph of where I plan to mount an attic fan to show my contractor, I don't need sufficient photographic quality to make a 20x30 print to hang in a gallery. I just need to convey the critical information. If I'm shooting an event, and could trust my camera to get everything to JPEG in sufficient quality to post to the web or make prints without using lightroom, I could probably shoot directly in JPEG. If I need to go through lightroom anyways, then JPEG doesn't really save me anything over RAW. The percussionist the other night was commenting that when photographing for customers to post on the web, he'd just set his camera to 6MP JPEG, and appreciated the much smaller filesize. In the same vein, every so often almost everyone finds something that they want to take the best photo that they can of, and will use every tool at their disposal. One of the things that I need to learn is to recognize what my goals of the moment are, and how to best fulfill them. I've been working on projects on the house lately, and have to keep reminding myself that when I'm doing construction carpentry, I don't need to work to machinist tolerances. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:25 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > I'm with Ken. I shoot RAW exclusively, even when I don't "need" to. I want > the most dynamic range possible plus the flexibility. Lightroom and or > Photoshop are always part of my workflow. Pretty much the same with me. > > I have programmed the K20D's RAW button to stay in RAW because I've > accidentally bumped it in the past and ruined a few otherwise good shots. I programmed it to go into bracket mode, unfortunately, there isn't a one button solution to get out of bracket mode. I wish that it would go into bracket mode for one shutter press, or pressing it again would take it out. > > Life is short; keepers are rare; disk space is cheap. That's T-shirt material. My original question wasn't so much about raw vs jpeg, the file format is almost a symptom of the planned process. When I shot film, even though I processed it myself, I'd try to get things right in the camera, I wouldn't fiddle with the processing, but I would try to fix my screwups in the darkroom. When I had no access to a darkroom, I'd just hope that everything I did in the camera was right. On the other hand, photographers like Adams, would take a photograph, keeping in mind the type of film and how he was going to process it. The film processing would be done to get the most performance out of the film for that particular exposure, and I expect he also had specific darkroom techniques for particular films, processed a certain way. These days, I'll usually shoot with the intention that my raw file can be converted directly to JPEG, using the white balance set at the time of exposure, and preferably with no exposure correction, or for that matter cropping, needed in lightroom. I'm usually pleasantly surprised when I actually succeed. However, there are specific shots where I know that the camera won't be able to capture the photo I want, without some specific post processing, whether it's radically underexposing the musician to keep the color of the stage lights (I suppose that a graduated ND filter with just the top of the filter darkened would be better for this), or bracketing in case I want or need to use an HDR technique on the photo. Let me rephrase the question: How often do you alter the way that you take a photo, to optimize the final product, taking into account post processing, rather than just trying to get something that could pretty much go straight to jpeg, or the printer? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
On 2011-04-19 13:44 , Larry Colen wrote: When you press the shutter, are you looking for the file produced to be a final product in and of itself, or are you thinking of the entire workflow, and treating the RAW file as merely one stage in producing the final product? i always shoot RAW, except on my phone most shooting i do is intended for minimal manipulation, but the camera often doesn't get the exposure i see, or i may miss something a crop will fix; beyond that, more manipulation seems to correlate to when i was least sure what my vision was when i took the shot, but i learn from it i also shoot a certain amount of raw material for experiments -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
On 11-04-20 4:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote Let me rephrase the question: How often do you alter the way that you take a photo, to optimize the final product, taking into account post processing, rather than just trying to get something that could pretty much go straight to jpeg, or the printer? I optimize for PP with pretty much every shot, for the simple reason that I "expose to the right"; part of that maxing out the d-range (and minimizing noise) thing. So if I'm successful none of my shots can go straight to jpeg or print because they are all at least a little overexposed. That's not even taking into account the fact that by choosing to always shoot RAW I must also always apply sharpening and usually some detail enhancement, then possibly saturation boost too. In-camera JPEG processing always applies these. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What do you use your camera to produce?
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Re: What do you use your camera to produce? On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:25 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: I'm with Ken. I shoot RAW exclusively, even when I don't "need" to. I want the most dynamic range possible plus the flexibility. Lightroom and or Photoshop are always part of my workflow. Pretty much the same with me. I have programmed the K20D's RAW button to stay in RAW because I've accidentally bumped it in the past and ruined a few otherwise good shots. I programmed it to go into bracket mode, unfortunately, there isn't a one button solution to get out of bracket mode. I wish that it would go into bracket mode for one shutter press, or pressing it again would take it out. Life is short; keepers are rare; disk space is cheap. That's T-shirt material. My original question wasn't so much about raw vs jpeg, the file format is almost a symptom of the planned process. When I shot film, even though I processed it myself, I'd try to get things right in the camera, I wouldn't fiddle with the processing, but I would try to fix my screwups in the darkroom. When I had no access to a darkroom, I'd just hope that everything I did in the camera was right. On the other hand, photographers like Adams, would take a photograph, keeping in mind the type of film and how he was going to process it. The film processing would be done to get the most performance out of the film for that particular exposure, and I expect he also had specific darkroom techniques for particular films, processed a certain way. These days, I'll usually shoot with the intention that my raw file can be converted directly to JPEG, using the white balance set at the time of exposure, and preferably with no exposure correction, or for that matter cropping, needed in lightroom. I'm usually pleasantly surprised when I actually succeed. However, there are specific shots where I know that the camera won't be able to capture the photo I want, without some specific post processing, whether it's radically underexposing the musician to keep the color of the stage lights (I suppose that a graduated ND filter with just the top of the filter darkened would be better for this), or bracketing in case I want or need to use an HDR technique on the photo. Let me rephrase the question: How often do you alter the way that you take a photo, to optimize the final product, taking into account post processing, rather than just trying to get something that could pretty much go straight to jpeg, or the printer? I try to stay with the same process - why change ? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
