Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread David Mann
On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.

We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel domestically.  It's 
on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us much.  But we do use it 
sparingly (eg no Youtube).

Cheers,
Dave
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit

2013-02-24 Thread John Sessoms
I wonder why it is the expensive hotels don't offer free internet when 
all of the inexpensive ones do?


From: Bob Sullivan

Paul,
Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
internet service.
Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
interstate motels.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

-p



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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
Yes, when the small town library closes,
the kids move over to the McD's to finish their school projects.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.

 We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel domestically.  It's 
 on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us much.  But we do use it 
 sparingly (eg no Youtube).

 Cheers,
 Dave
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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread Bob W
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
 
 Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
 McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
 Yes, when the small town library closes, the kids move over to the
 McD's to finish their school projects.
 Regards,  Bob S.

Proof categorical that school work leads to bad health in later years. They
should be out in the fresh air getting up to no good.

B




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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread Paul Sorenson
Goes for other things too. Stay in a Country Inn and a fridge in the room is 
the norm. We stayed in a Radisson (same parent company) in downtown Minneapolis 
and had to pay an extra 25 bucks for a fridge. 

-p

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
 McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
 Yes, when the small town library closes,
 the kids move over to the McD's to finish their school projects.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 
 We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel domestically.  
 It's on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us much.  But we do use 
 it sparingly (eg no Youtube).
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread Bob W
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sorenson
 
 Goes for other things too. Stay in a Country Inn and a fridge in the
 room is the norm. We stayed in a Radisson (same parent company) in
 downtown Minneapolis and had to pay an extra 25 bucks for a fridge.
 

You must be mad.

B
 -p
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
  McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
  Yes, when the small town library closes, the kids move over to the
  McD's to finish their school projects.
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Paul,
  Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or
 Platinum(?) member.
  I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
  internet service.
  Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
  interstate motels.
 
  We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel
 domestically.  It's on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us
 much.  But we do use it sparingly (eg no Youtube).
 
  Cheers,
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread kwaller
When I run into this, and who hasn't, I keep asking for the next higher up 
person - generally at least gets me to someone I can converse with.


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- Original Message - 
From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 
8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden

shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this
list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how 
much bad

stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
desktop at work:

http://www.classicshell.net



Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the 
Win

XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's 
wrong

with it -- so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-24 Thread Paul Sorenson
I was 'til I got my fridge.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 24, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sorenson
 
 Goes for other things too. Stay in a Country Inn and a fridge in the
 room is the norm. We stayed in a Radisson (same parent company) in
 downtown Minneapolis and had to pay an extra 25 bucks for a fridge.
 
 You must be mad.
 
 B
 -p
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
 McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
 Yes, when the small town library closes, the kids move over to the
 McD's to finish their school projects.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or
 Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 
 We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel
 domestically.  It's on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us
 much.  But we do use it sparingly (eg no Youtube).
 
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
Snail mail, registered, return receipt requested to the head of operations.

 
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on 
 this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much 
 bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.
 
 Help me.
 
 bill
 
 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:
 
 http://www.classicshell.net
 
 
 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.
 
 bill
 
 Glad to help.
 
 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
 with it -- so far.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo
 
 -- Walt
 
 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill
 
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread John Mullan
They won't listen, no matter what you do or say.  It's all about profits, 
and it is cheaper to setup an overseas call center with people who use 
English words but don't speak the language to read a script that they don't 
understand.  They ask you a question and if you don't give one of their 
possible answers they just ask it again.  The only way to change it is to 
buy the company and make the changes.


jm


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Sullivan

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:49 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 
8.

It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this
list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how 
much bad

stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
desktop at work:

http://www.classicshell.net



Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
with it -- so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
Or you cold drop a bit of coke on Paris and ask her to set you up with a better 
deal:-).

On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:13 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote:

 They won't listen, no matter what you do or say.  It's all about profits, and 
 it is cheaper to setup an overseas call center with people who use English 
 words but don't speak the language to read a script that they don't 
 understand.  They ask you a question and if you don't give one of their 
 possible answers they just ask it again.  The only way to change it is to buy 
 the company and make the changes.
 
 jm
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan
 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:49 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
 
 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on 
 this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much 
 bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.
 
 Help me.
 
 bill
 
 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:
 
 http://www.classicshell.net
 
 
 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.
 
 bill
 
 Glad to help.
 
 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
 with it -- so far.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo
 
 -- Walt
 
 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill
 
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread John Sessoms

From: Paul Stenquist


On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:


Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


Snail mail, registered, return receipt requested to the head of operations.



To which the response from ATT is You can't notify us by mail, you 
have to call us on the telephone.


[BTW, the phone number you have to call for that is a *SECRET*.]

I don't actually do any business with ATT any more, but I end up having 
to do battle with them every couple of years. It's a recurring nightmare 
from the days when I did have a telephone.


About the only thing I've found that halfway works is to keep asking 
May I speak to YOUR supervisor? until I get someone who speaks English 
I can understand.


Unfortunately, I'm serious about it only working HALFWAY.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and 
the few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet 
service.  Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?


-p

On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this
list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad
stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
desktop at work:

http://www.classicshell.net



Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
with it -- so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:06:27PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: kwaller
 
 Is that a rhetorical question?
 
 Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his
 response - ie more irate?
 
 Microsoft. You'd think they'd have learned by now.

Oh, they've learned.  Mostly, they've learned they can sell enough
copies of what they want to sell that they don't need to pay all that
much attention to what customers want to buy.

Not that they are in any way alone in that busines model ...


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Bill, honestly, you're not that old and I am most certain that you can 
actually master this thing completely...


On 2/21/2013 4:15 AM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Rob Studdert
Reminds me of the movie Castaway and Wilson the ball, given the
options he made a good friend. I suppose Windows 8 has that sort of
potential too, if one were lost on a desert island and for some reason
needed a computer and that was all that was available. Thank dog there
are other options and reasonable rescue shells.

On 24 February 2013 15:33, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bill, honestly, you're not that old and I am most certain that you can
 actually master this thing completely...


 On 2/21/2013 4:15 AM, Bill wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
 Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
 this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul,
Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
internet service.
Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
interstate motels.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
 few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
 Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

 -p


 On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win
 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows
 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile,
 golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been
 on this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net



 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the
 Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's
 wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread David Parsons
The reason is that the big hotels attract business customers who are
on expense accounts, while the smaller chains attract value conscious
vacation/travel customers.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
 few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
 Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

 -p


 On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win
 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows
 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile,
 golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been
 on this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net



 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the
 Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's
 wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
And truck drivers and plenty of business travelers on smaller budgets.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:33 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 The reason is that the big hotels attract business customers who are
 on expense accounts, while the smaller chains attract value conscious
 vacation/travel customers.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
 few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
 Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

 -p


 On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win
 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows
 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile,
 golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been
 on this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net



 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the
 Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's
 wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread David Mann
On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
 interface.  

They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS.  Nobody will buy it 
without new shiny.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Bill

On 21/02/2013 11:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Remember Vista?
Remember XP before the third is a series of fixes?
Point taken. My gripe with Vista was getting it to play nice on the 
network. Once we turned off all the security warnings and got it 
networking, it was fine. PITA for the first hour. I like XP, though 
admittedly I didn't get it until it was well and truly established.
Generally, I've stayed away from the OS's that haven't been so good (the 
every other one thing).


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Bill

On 21/02/2013 11:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?

Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked. 
Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of Mac 
laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see why 
people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm 
using now (Win7)

What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
interface.
In the case of Win 8, the opening screen is the start screen, much like 
on a tablet. If you hit the start button on a regular MS OS, and it gave 
you a screen instead of a pop up, the start screen is what it would give 
you.
One of the Apps is the desktop. I suspect that app doesn't come on 
tablets. One can remove all the apps from the start screen except the 
ones that are used, any programs you install will show up as an icon on 
the start screen.
It's easy enough, but for me, they could have left that screen off on 
the computer versions of the OS.


The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS.

Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops.  
What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either.
My guess is it will work very well on tablets. It wasn't that much off 
my Android for usability, and for people who carry a tablet and have a 
laptop at home, I expect the familiarity that Win8 brings from the 
tablet to the PC will make it easier for tablet users.
My wife and I both prefer working from the desktop though, and with that 
in mind Classic Shell does the trick.


bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread John Sessoms

Is that a rhetorical question?

From: kwaller

From bill or Microsoft ? ;+


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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating
system?
Dan Matyola



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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: Larry Colen


On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:

On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?

Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that
has sucked. Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of
using a couple of Mac laptops, and they have been different, but
still intuitive. I can see why people like the things. What I
didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm using now (Win7)


What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
interface.

The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS.

Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and
desktops.  What it will get is something that doesn't work well on
either.


Trying to increase market share for WindozePhones.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: David Mann


On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:


What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the
user interface.


They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS.  Nobody will
buy it without new shiny.

Dave



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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: David Mann

 On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the
 user interface.

 They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS.  Nobody will
 buy it without new shiny.

 Dave

 Chrome plating a turd doesn't make it any less of a piece of shit.

That's not Microsoft's primary concern. Revenue and shareholder value
is. Thus the chrome plating.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Walt

On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:

On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with 
Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to 
it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when 
compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of 
just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net


Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the 
Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.

Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's 
wrong with it -- so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread kwaller

Is that a rhetorical question?


Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his 
response - ie more irate?


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- Original Message - 
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



Is that a rhetorical question?

From: kwaller

From bill or Microsoft ? ;+


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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating
system?
Dan Matyola



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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2013-02-22 0:51, Larry Colen wrote:


Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops.  
What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either.


That is exactly what they got.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: kwaller


Is that a rhetorical question?


Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his
response - ie more irate?


Microsoft. You'd think they'd have learned by now.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Bill

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:

On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with 
Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to 
it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when 
compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have 
been on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware 
of just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net


Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the 
Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.

Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's 
wrong with it -- so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

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Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:

 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:

 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on 
 this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much 
 bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net


 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill

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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread Bob W
you probably got one of the European versions that was labelled as bullshit.

B

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 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill
 Sent: 21 February 2013 02:16
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
 
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
 Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
 this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.
 
 Help me.
 
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Bill

 OK, so I got that out of the way.



 That was pretty much my take on Windoze8 as well. I'd contact the
 manufacturer  make a nuisance of myself.

Bill proved that the 6x7 mirror shake was a myth, so if he says
Windows 8 blows, then it blows.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread John Sessoms

I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread John Mullan

Bill,

It really isn't as bad as all that.  Especially on a laptop.  Slide your 
finger onto the touchpad from the right to pull up charms, do the same from 
the left side to go to the last app, and down from the top to bring up the 
menu for the program.  Far easier than the hot corners.  Windows key and D 
gets the desktop, Windows key and X brings up a useful menu.  It is just a 
matter of it being different.  I have to sell the stuff, so I am becoming 
used to it and it really isn't that bad.


John Mullan


-Original Message- 
From: Bill

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:15 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread Bill

On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, 
and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared 
to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of 
just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net


Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win 
XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.

Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread Bill

On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has 
sucked. Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a 
couple of Mac laptops, and they have been different, but still 
intuitive. I can see why people like the things. What I didn't see was a 
huge advantage over what I'm using now (Win7)


bill




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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread kwaller

From bill or Microsoft ? ;+


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- Original Message - 
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola
Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating 
system?

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com 
wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
unkind

to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about
just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this 
list
for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad 
stuff

I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill




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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Remember Vista?
Remember XP before the third is a series of fixes?
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating
 system?

 Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked.
 Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of
 Mac laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see
 why people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what
 I'm using now (Win7)

 bill



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 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this
 list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad
 stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:

 On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
 Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked. 
 Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of Mac 
 laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see why 
 people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm 
 using now (Win7)

What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
interface.  

The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS.

Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops.  
What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-20 Thread Walt

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, 
and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared 
to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden 
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just 
how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net/

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-20 Thread Bruce Walker
I'm actually glad that Win8 was created if only to have been able to
read this entertaining and bar-raising critique of it.

Bravo, Bill; Bravo!


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-20 Thread David Parsons
I use Classic Shell as well.  The whole Start Screen and hot corners
is really annoying to deal with.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new desktop
 at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net/

 -- Walt


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-20 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

2013-02-20 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bill

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


That was pretty much my take on Windoze8 as well. I'd contact the 
manufacturer  make a nuisance of myself.


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