Re: eBay Communications PART 2

[Cotty]

On 24/1/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Interesting story Cotty, but I think I can beat it. If you enjoy
>poking yourself in the eye with a blunt stick on occasion check out my
>little experience:
>
>http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/An_eBay_folly.html

What a bloody chore!  And 'War And Peace' to boot. You have the patience
of a saint.

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Re: eBay Communications PART 2

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2007 6:00:07 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 1/24/07, Mark Roberts  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My personal policy eith eBay auctions  is not to leave any feedback at
> all unless the auction is exceptional in  some way, either good or bad.
> For a routine transaction - price  reasonable, money transferred without
> problems, product shipped without  much delay and received in good
> condition - I neither give nor expect  feedback at all. No different
> than any other commercial sale outside  eBay.

===
A lot of people take that attitude, actually. It is  not unusual, as feedback 
is a post transaction thing. On Amazon, where there  isn't really buyer 
feedback like on ebay, that means that only a small  percentage leave feedback. 
And 
only either because they were really impressed by  a transaction or were very 
unhappy with it.

Marnie aka Doe  


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RE: eBay Communications PART 2

[Rob Brigham]

My personal policy is to not leave feedback until the other party has
left for me.  Of course if they do the same then no-one leaves anything.

My overriding policy is not to leave feedback for anything I don't want
the missus to know I have bought, and sometimes to ask the seller to do
the same!

Rob


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Mark Roberts
Sent: 24 January 2007 13:31
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My personal policy eith eBay auctions is not to leave any feedback at 
all unless the auction is exceptional in some way, either good or bad. 
For a routine transaction - price reasonable, money transferred without 
problems, product shipped without much delay and received in good 
condition - I neither give nor expect feedback at all. No different 
than any other commercial sale outside eBay.




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Re: eBay Communications PART 2

[Scott Loveless]

On 1/24/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My personal policy eith eBay auctions is not to leave any feedback at
> all unless the auction is exceptional in some way, either good or bad.
> For a routine transaction - price reasonable, money transferred without
> problems, product shipped without much delay and received in good
> condition - I neither give nor expect feedback at all. No different
> than any other commercial sale outside eBay.
>
Has anyone ever called you a "master of the obvious" and meant it as a
compliment?  That's the sanest piece of advice I've read during the
course of this thread.

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Re: eBay Communications PART 2

[Mark Roberts]

My personal policy eith eBay auctions is not to leave any feedback at 
all unless the auction is exceptional in some way, either good or bad. 
For a routine transaction - price reasonable, money transferred without 
problems, product shipped without much delay and received in good 
condition - I neither give nor expect feedback at all. No different 
than any other commercial sale outside eBay.




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RE: eBay Communications PART 2

[Rob Brigham]

That's nothing - read this little lot if you have some time on your hands:

http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322205

Pretty hilarious!

Certainly puts me off selling on ebay regularly although I do on occasion when 
I must...

Rob



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty
Sent: 24 January 2007 10:08
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Subject: eBay Communications PART 2


Steve,

In your advert you say "operate your camera from 200yds distance using this 
gear" and "the item will be exactly as described or I will offer you a full 
refund". I have not had time to test the item at all, but I did read the 
manual last evening and it says that the maximum direct transmission range 
is 100 m/330ft. I will return the item in the same secure packaging and by 
the same method of post for full refund. With regret.

Regards

Peter Broadbent


(Ahar -  knew it!  Trouble with a capital T. I checked the book and indeed he 
was right - the book says 100 metres, but I have used it past this distance 
fine on full batteries. Nevertheless, I did make a mistake in my listing, which 
is unusual for me. Anyway I'd had enough of this bozo, so decided to call his 
bluff..)



Peter,

I have tested the item at 200 yards and it works.

I will not  be offering a refund on this item.

The item is as described.

Please do not send the item back as I will not be refunding you in this 
instance.

Please feel free to take the matter up with eBay. I will be forwarding all 
email exchanges between us to eBay for consideration.

Regards,

Steve C.



Steve,

Have checked with Canon Support and the item is for use up to a maximum 
range of 100 metres. Please reconsider your position and accept that you 
will refund in full.

Regards

Peter




Hi Peter,

I have read the Canon literature and concede the point that it does indeed say 
that the LC-4 is capable of a range up to a maximum of 100 metres. However, I 
have used the LC-4 past that maximum. But that is a moot point.

Other points you may wish to consider:

You claim to have read the details on the auction page but in case you missed 
it, anyone with negative feedback should have emailed me first before bidding. 
In fact you bid and won the item with some negative feedback, in total 
contravention to eBay's policy as listed here:



I was minded to cancel the auction and file a complaint. However, I did not. 
Your 2nd and 3rd emails to me were not what I would describe as 'friendly', and 
indeed I found them threatening.

Bidding and buying on an item in an eBay auction is supposed to be final. In 
fact I am happy to refund on any item that is not as described
- a totally optional and friendly gesture. The Canon LC-4 Wireless Remote 
Control that I sold to you was as described in full working order and in mint 
condition. The fact that I may have detailed one fact with an incorrect number 
(according to Canon) is relevant but not, in my opinion, reason for a refund.

The fact is that you have had the item for several days now - you claimed you 
needed it in a hurry, and I went against my better judgement and sent it off 
earlier than I normally would have (again a friendly gesture). And now you 
claim you have not even had the unit out to test it?

I am what I would consider to be a reasonable chap - I'm not out to con anyone. 
Never have and never will. I provided an item for sale in good faith. Anyone 
buying from eBay should do their own research and consider carefully the deal 
they are entering into.

Regards,

Steve C


(If I had listed it correctly at 100m working distance, I would not entertain a 
refund, unless the unit was faulty. I'll list my lessons learned at the end of 
tail)


Steve,

Have now tested the item and it appears NOT to be working. Have spoken with 
Canon who are having a technician call me back to ascertain whether or not 
this is so. Will update you when I have a response.

Regards

Peter



Peter,

If this is the case, and the LC-4 is not working, then of course I will honour 
a refund, including your postage costs. However, if the item is returned to me 
and I test it and find it to be working, then it will be packaged up and 
returned to you.

regards,

Steve C



Steve,

I have faults identified with the transmitter plus the item being "not as 
described" in your auction description. I shall return the item to you asap 
and if I do not receive a refund in full by return I shall not refer the 
matter to eBay but place the matter in County Court without further 
reference to your good self.

Regards
Peter



Peter,

I will gladly receive the item back. I will then test it myself, and if I find 
the item to be in good working order, I will send it back to you by return. 
Your idle threats about county court action do not frighten me, so threaten 
away.

If I test the item and I find it is faulty, I will gladly refund you, and offer 

Re: eBay Communications PART 2

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/01/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/24/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hope this is of use to someone :-)
>
> Yeah, it'll make me think twice about selling stuff on eBay (I've only
> ever bought).
>
> Cheers,

Interesting story Cotty, but I think I can beat it. If you enjoy
poking yourself in the eye with a blunt stick on occasion check out my
little experience:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/An_eBay_folly.html

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Re: eBay Communications PART 2

[David Savage]

On 1/24/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hope this is of use to someone :-)

Yeah, it'll make me think twice about selling stuff on eBay (I've only
ever bought).

Cheers,

Dave

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RE: eBay Communications PART 2

[Malcolm Smith]

Cotty wrote:

> Hope this is of use to someone :-)

Very much so. Thanks, a reminder to keep all correspondence.

Here's another one to note. My one neg came from a non-paying bidder. You've
got to watch these and just file a non-paying report ASAP and end it as soon
as you can without a reply from them. I waited for a reply - it was coming
up to Xmas -  (said he was a pensioner and ill in a direct e-mail and I felt
sorry for him at that time of year) and he never paid - probably never
intended too - because he finally replied to the non-paying report, it
entitled him to leave feedback - and he waited almost the 90 days to do
that, the fact he never paid was irrelevant. I could have ended the wait and
he would have lost the opportunity to reply and to leave feedback. I should
have sniffed the furry rodent :-(   

Malcolm


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