Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Hi All, Anybody ever had negs destroyed by a print shop. Its never happened to me I'm just wondering how common this is? Feroze - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:54 PM Subject: RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD T Rittenhouse wrote: A thing I never seem to see mentioned about archive storage of your images is the fact you can keep first generation quality copies of digital images at physically diverse locations. For instance you keep one CD in your computer room, one in your safe deposit box at the bank, another at your cabin in the mountains, another at you mom's house on the other coast, and one at a friend's house overseas. There is next to no chance that all those copies will be simultaneously destroyed. You can keep your negatives in only one location if something happens to them there they are gone forever. I can tell you that from first hand experience. Graywolf, I remember some time back you writing about this horrific tragedy. It is something I have thought about. As I send my films off to a lab I like for development, and the majority of the film I use is slide, I get them to send me a CD with the images on, which periodically get dropped off at my in-laws in Scotland for safe keeping. They then also have access to the pictures of our children growing up - a safety net and use. Negatives are kept in a *few hours heat resistant small safe - don't know how many and don't want to find out* but until I acquire a good scanner, there is no back up for these, and it is something always nagging away at me. A good reminder. Your terrible experience is one I am sure we will all learn from. Thanks, Malcolm
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Hi! I seem to have deleted the Feroze's post, so I would be answering to this one. DF Hi Feroze, DF On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:38:57 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote: Anybody ever had negs destroyed by a print shop. Its never happened to me I'm just wondering how common this is? DF It's happened to me once in maybe two to three thousand rolls over the DF last 25 years. Well, one instance, but they damaged all five rolls DF that I had in at the time. Actually, damaged five rolls is overly DF harsh. They damaged up to eight or ten frames on each of five DF 36-exposure rolls. DF TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ It happened to me. Only once it did but it was very annoying. I've submitted my film to Oriental Kodak lab - probably the largest lab network in Israel. They've managed to scratch one of the frames so that the scratch was roughly half the frame height, right in the middle. Unfortunately, it was one of the best shots that I've made of my daughter and I was quite annoyed. They produced two 24x36 cm enlargements for me for free from this frame. But both should be seen way from afar to not notice the scratch. One day perhaps I will have it scanned properly and take my time fixing it... Ever since I don't deal with that lab. But the damage has been done. It was one and only time I had such kind of trouble happen to me. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
Re: Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Yes, that's right Butch. Most of my CD-R output goes to clients and is immediately useable. CD-RW's I reserve for internal use only. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: : Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD John: That was on CD-RW's, not CD-R's? I currently have the same set up on a computer I will be replacing shortly. Everything I've burned, however has been in CD-R clicking the compatible with most equipment button. Not that I've burned a whole lot but I would like access to it on the new computer. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian)
RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
jcoyle wrote: There can be a problem with changes of OS. I used Adaptec's Easy CD creator on Win98 with great success: now, having changed to XP, the old CD-RW's are not readable! Adaptec does not have an XP driver for the version of the program I have, so I have to fork out for a new version, on which I cannot necessarily rely to be compatible with the original, or install the burner and Adaptec on another computer and go through the business of re-burning. Not too chuffed with this John, Noted with thanks. Malcolm
RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hear so many people complain of computer failures and corrupt discs and even upgrading and sometime later finding their new computer doesn't support retrieval of older software - but is that the reality of computers in 2003? Yes, it is. Expect media to deteriorate, expect new software to refuse to read old data formats, and to fail to run at all under new versions of operating systems. Think long term: store images using common industry standards such as JPEG, not proprietary application formats. Remember that those CDs are going to be physically unreadable at some time in the future (20 years? 10? 5?), and plan to copy the images on them to new media periodically. Thanks, with that in mind, storage is less of an issue. Every upgrade I have made has made the system more stable and reliable. You're probably using Microsoft systems, right? They sure have improved the stability and reliability of their software a lot in recent years, but that doesn't mean a thing as far as long term storage of data goes. Windows 2020 may run great, but that won't help if your images are stored on physically deteriorated CDs, and in a format that can only be read by a software package that was never upgraded after 2005, and won't run on anything post Windows 2008! Yes, I am at the moment but this may change to a Mac later this year. Regardless of whatever I end up using, your points on storage of data is well made. Thank you. Malcolm
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
A thing I never seem to see mentioned about archive storage of your images is the fact you can keep first generation quality copies of digital images at physically diverse locations. For instance you keep one CD in your computer room, one in your safe deposit box at the bank, another at your cabin in the mountains, another at you mom's house on the other coast, and one at a friend's house overseas. There is next to no chance that all those copies will be simultaneously destroyed. You can keep your negatives in only one location if something happens to them there they are gone forever. I can tell you that from first hand experience. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hear so many people complain of computer failures and corrupt discs and even upgrading and sometime later finding their new computer doesn't support retrieval of older software - but is that the reality of computers in 2003? Yes, it is. Expect media to deteriorate, expect new software to refuse to read old data formats, and to fail to run at all under new versions of operating systems. Think long term: store images using common industry standards such as JPEG, not proprietary application formats. Remember that those CDs are going to be physically unreadable at some time in the future (20 years? 10? 5?), and plan to copy the images on them to new media periodically. Thanks, with that in mind, storage is less of an issue. Every upgrade I have made has made the system more stable and reliable. You're probably using Microsoft systems, right? They sure have improved the stability and reliability of their software a lot in recent years, but that doesn't mean a thing as far as long term storage of data goes. Windows 2020 may run great, but that won't help if your images are stored on physically deteriorated CDs, and in a format that can only be read by a software package that was never upgraded after 2005, and won't run on anything post Windows 2008! Yes, I am at the moment but this may change to a Mac later this year. Regardless of whatever I end up using, your points on storage of data is well made. Thank you. Malcolm
RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
T Rittenhouse wrote: A thing I never seem to see mentioned about archive storage of your images is the fact you can keep first generation quality copies of digital images at physically diverse locations. For instance you keep one CD in your computer room, one in your safe deposit box at the bank, another at your cabin in the mountains, another at you mom's house on the other coast, and one at a friend's house overseas. There is next to no chance that all those copies will be simultaneously destroyed. You can keep your negatives in only one location if something happens to them there they are gone forever. I can tell you that from first hand experience. Graywolf, I remember some time back you writing about this horrific tragedy. It is something I have thought about. As I send my films off to a lab I like for development, and the majority of the film I use is slide, I get them to send me a CD with the images on, which periodically get dropped off at my in-laws in Scotland for safe keeping. They then also have access to the pictures of our children growing up - a safety net and use. Negatives are kept in a *few hours heat resistant small safe - don't know how many and don't want to find out* but until I acquire a good scanner, there is no back up for these, and it is something always nagging away at me. A good reminder. Your terrible experience is one I am sure we will all learn from. Thanks, Malcolm
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Well, all I lost was some negatives and exhibition prints, my parents lost a house and everything in it. Just to put things in proper perspective. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD T Rittenhouse wrote: A thing I never seem to see mentioned about archive storage of your images is the fact you can keep first generation quality copies of digital images at physically diverse locations. For instance you keep one CD in your computer room, one in your safe deposit box at the bank, another at your cabin in the mountains, another at you mom's house on the other coast, and one at a friend's house overseas. There is next to no chance that all those copies will be simultaneously destroyed. You can keep your negatives in only one location if something happens to them there they are gone forever. I can tell you that from first hand experience. Graywolf, I remember some time back you writing about this horrific tragedy. It is something I have thought about. As I send my films off to a lab I like for development, and the majority of the film I use is slide, I get them to send me a CD with the images on, which periodically get dropped off at my in-laws in Scotland for safe keeping. They then also have access to the pictures of our children growing up - a safety net and use. Negatives are kept in a *few hours heat resistant small safe - don't know how many and don't want to find out* but until I acquire a good scanner, there is no back up for these, and it is something always nagging away at me. A good reminder. Your terrible experience is one I am sure we will all learn from. Thanks, Malcolm
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Buy and use film! Not the answer you wanted but that is my opinion. Bob - Original Message - From: adphoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD i recently burnt a selection of my digital photographs as an image to CD with nero 5 now all i have on the CD is 635 meg size image but no way of accessing files. Anyone know how? Cos this is my backup and my system buggered up so these are the only copies i have.
RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Bob Rapp wrote: Buy and use film! Not the answer you wanted but that is my opinion. This is my ~fear~ of digital retention. A real nasty :-( Until someone can convince me otherwise, I prefer the security of slides and negatives. Malcolm From: adphoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD i recently burnt a selection of my digital photographs as an image to CD with nero 5 now all i have on the CD is 635 meg size image but no way of accessing files. Anyone know how? Cos this is my backup and my system buggered up so these are the only copies i have.
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 08:12:25PM +1030, adphoto wrote: i recently burnt a selection of my digital photographs as an image to CD with nero 5 now all i have on the CD is 635 meg size image but no way of accessing files. Anyone know how? Cos this is my backup and my system buggered up so these are the only copies i have. Does it look like one single, large file on the CD? In that case, programs like WinIso and Isobuster may be able to access the individual pictures. Of not, you have to find out what other container format is used. -- http://members.chello.nl/~j.schoone\\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything.
RE: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Rob Studdert wrote: Both film and digital source images are vulnerable to loss or damage. You wouldn't store your films in a spot where you knew it leaked during rain? LOL! NO! Likewise I check my digital image archive CDs straight after writing and store them in a dark dry vessel with a 3 hour fire rating (along with my films). Rob, I come with emotional baggage of two decades of slides and negatives - things I understand and trust. If I make a mistake scanning or the media corrupts, I still have the slides etc. For anyone brought up with computers and then buys a digital camera, I'm sure that persons attitude towards digital image retention is quite different. I hear so many people complain of computer failures and corrupt discs and even upgrading and sometime later finding their new computer doesn't support retrieval of older software - but is that the reality of computers in 2003? Every upgrade I have made has made the system more stable and reliable. I think digital is a very useful medium and a K-mount DSLR will certainly join my camera kit at some stage. Knowing the sort of CD manufacturer you trust to store pictures on and how many you store per disc, is the sort of information I am after. It's positive digital comments I'm after! Malcolm
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Sounds like you burned an image of the CD onto the CD instead of burning the data onto the cd. -Copy the image on to your harddrive and burn the IMAGE (not the FILE) onto a new CD. Bob Rapp wrote: Buy and use film! Not the answer you wanted but that is my opinion. Bob - Original Message - From: adphoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD i recently burnt a selection of my digital photographs as an image to CD with nero 5 now all i have on the CD is 635 meg size image but no way of accessing files. Anyone know how? Cos this is my backup and my system buggered up so these are the only copies i have.
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
There can be a problem with changes of OS. I used Adaptec's Easy CD creator on Win98 with great success: now, having changed to XP, the old CD-RW's are not readable! Adaptec does not have an XP driver for the version of the program I have, so I have to fork out for a new version, on which I cannot necessarily rely to be compatible with the original, or install the burner and Adaptec on another computer and go through the business of re-burning. Not too chuffed with this John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:26 AM SNIP I hear so many people complain of computer failures and corrupt discs and even upgrading and sometime later finding their new computer doesn't support retrieval of older software - but is that the reality of computers in 2003? Every upgrade I have made has made the system more stable and reliable. SNIP Malcolm
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
jcoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There can be a problem with changes of OS. I used Adaptec's Easy CD creator on Win98 with great success: now, having changed to XP, the old CD-RW's are not readable! Adaptec does not have an XP driver for the version of the program I have, so I have to fork out for a new version, on which I cannot necessarily rely to be compatible with the original, or install the burner and Adaptec on another computer and go through the business of re-burning. Not too chuffed with this Are you referring to Adaptec's Direct CD software? Reading plain CD-RW discs (which is what Easy CD Creator makes) is just a hardware issue, but the pseudo-hard-drive CD-RWs made with Direct CD would indeed depend on special software. I could never get that software to work at all for me and heard of a lot of people having much trouble with it. Adaptec's tech support was so bad I vowed never to buy anything from them EVER. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Yes, it was Direct CD - sorry. It took a little while to sort it out, but in the end I got there and it was 99% reliable - just the occasional buffering problem. Incidentally, I had to drop the write speed on the CD burner to 2x instead of 4x under XP, using the inbuilt Cd software, otherwise I got an error message - but only after some weeks of use. Weird, inn'it? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD SNIP Are you referring to Adaptec's Direct CD software? Reading plain CD-RW discs (which is what Easy CD Creator makes) is just a hardware issue, but the pseudo-hard-drive CD-RWs made with Direct CD would indeed depend on special software. I could never get that software to work at all for me and heard of a lot of people having much trouble with it. Adaptec's tech support was so bad I vowed never to buy anything from them EVER. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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John: That was on CD-RW's, not CD-R's? I currently have the same set up on a computer I will be replacing shortly. Everything I've burned, however has been in CD-R clicking the compatible with most equipment button. Not that I've burned a whole lot but I would like access to it on the new computer. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian)
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It should work on your new computer it might have trouble being read by older cd-ROM drives. At 10:55 PM 1/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: John: That was on CD-RW's, not CD-R's? I currently have the same set up on a computer I will be replacing shortly. Everything I've burned, however has been in CD-R clicking the compatible with most equipment button. Not that I've burned a whole lot but I would like access to it on the new computer. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian) Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: help recovering files in an image after burning a CD
Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hear so many people complain of computer failures and corrupt discs and even upgrading and sometime later finding their new computer doesn't support retrieval of older software - but is that the reality of computers in 2003? Yes, it is. Expect media to deteriorate, expect new software to refuse to read old data formats, and to fail to run at all under new versions of operating systems. Think long term: store images using common industry standards such as JPEG, not proprietary application formats. Remember that those CDs are going to be physically unreadable at some time in the future (20 years? 10? 5?), and plan to copy the images on them to new media periodically. Every upgrade I have made has made the system more stable and reliable. You're probably using Microsoft systems, right? They sure have improved the stability and reliability of their software a lot in recent years, but that doesn't mean a thing as far as long term storage of data goes. Windows 2020 may run great, but that won't help if your images are stored on physically deteriorated CDs, and in a format that can only be read by a software package that was never upgraded after 2005, and won't run on anything post Windows 2008! -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, Senior System Administrator, EUnet Norway www.eunet.no T: +47-22092958 M: +47-93013940 F: +47-22092901
