Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-26 Thread P.J. Alling

I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.

Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.


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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-26 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting "P.J. Alling" :


I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.

Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.



I bought some third party batteries for my K-5 on eBay (they're  
branded 'DSTE').  I haven't noticed any difference in performance or  
charging time in comparison with the OEM Pentax battery - not that  
I've done any specific tests.



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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Carlos R.

El 27/03/2014 2:33, P.J. Alling escribió:

I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.

Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.


I have a Meike battery grip for my K-7 (it is the same model for the 
K-5, as they share the same camera body). It works well and it is well 
built (for a knockoff). The only disadvantage is that it is not weather 
sealed as the original Pentax. It also comes with an adpater for 6 AA 
batteries, besides of the adapter for DL-90 lithium battery. It was 
quite cheap, about 35 euros.


Carlos

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Boris Liberman
I don't think that saving few pennies on the battery and then
accidentally having to deal with the issues that may arise is worth
it. I had some 3rd party batteries for my K10D, one was really weak,
another was satisfactory. But since I upgraded to K-7 I resolved to
use OEM batteries only. No regrets here.

The same by the way applies to the battery grip. The 3rd party grip
turned out to be not very well made as far as electronics went. So
again I have OEM grip and it is performing flawlessly...

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:33 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.
>
> Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.
>
>
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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Bill

On 27/03/2014 7:58 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

I don't think that saving few pennies on the battery and then
accidentally having to deal with the issues that may arise is worth
it. I had some 3rd party batteries for my K10D, one was really weak,
another was satisfactory. But since I upgraded to K-7 I resolved to
use OEM batteries only. No regrets here.

The same by the way applies to the battery grip. The 3rd party grip
turned out to be not very well made as far as electronics went. So
again I have OEM grip and it is performing flawlessly...



I felt the same way, but last year I wanted to have a few extra 
batteries for an extended trip where I wouldn't have reliable access to 
electricity. The Fuji especially is a battery hog, getting at best a few 
hundred shots on a battery, so I bit the bullet and bought a couple of 
aftermarket batteries for the Pentax and 3 for the Fuji. My net outlay 
was about 1/3 of the cost of OEM batteries, and the dealer is in Canada 
so if there are problems I can resolve them without having the hassle of 
dealing with a foreign company.
The end result is that I have 5 extra batteries for my cameras that are 
indistiguishable in performance from their OEM cousins.
The Fuji batteries are listed as a couple of hundred milli amps lower 
capacity, but I haven't noticed a performance difference. The new Fuji 
is a battery hog, I will probably buy a few more batteries for it. At 
best, I get a couple of hundred shots on a battery with it.


bill


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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Carlos R.

El 27/03/2014 2:33, P.J. Alling escribió:

I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.

Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.




I'm sorry but the answer I gave in my previous message was all wrong, I 
understood you wanted to know about third party battery grips, nor 3rd 
party batteries. I have to learn to read again.
Besides the original battery DL-90 which came with the K-7, I bought an 
Energizer branded compatible battery. It works as well as the original, 
so I can recommend it.

Carlos

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Boris Liberman
Bill, it only proves that with 3rd party batteries it is a bit of a
gamble... Some say that their 3rd party batteries are good. Some say
the opposite. I am yet to see a person report that they bought an OEM
battery that did not perform properly...

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 27/03/2014 7:58 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> I don't think that saving few pennies on the battery and then
>> accidentally having to deal with the issues that may arise is worth
>> it. I had some 3rd party batteries for my K10D, one was really weak,
>> another was satisfactory. But since I upgraded to K-7 I resolved to
>> use OEM batteries only. No regrets here.
>>
>> The same by the way applies to the battery grip. The 3rd party grip
>> turned out to be not very well made as far as electronics went. So
>> again I have OEM grip and it is performing flawlessly...
>>
>
> I felt the same way, but last year I wanted to have a few extra batteries
> for an extended trip where I wouldn't have reliable access to electricity.
> The Fuji especially is a battery hog, getting at best a few hundred shots on
> a battery, so I bit the bullet and bought a couple of aftermarket batteries
> for the Pentax and 3 for the Fuji. My net outlay was about 1/3 of the cost
> of OEM batteries, and the dealer is in Canada so if there are problems I can
> resolve them without having the hassle of dealing with a foreign company.
> The end result is that I have 5 extra batteries for my cameras that are
> indistiguishable in performance from their OEM cousins.
> The Fuji batteries are listed as a couple of hundred milli amps lower
> capacity, but I haven't noticed a performance difference. The new Fuji is a
> battery hog, I will probably buy a few more batteries for it. At best, I get
> a couple of hundred shots on a battery with it.
>
> bill
>
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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The Sony A7 is another power hog. I bought a Wasabi set including two batteries 
and a charger. Cost was $30; they seem to work as well as the OEM batteries so 
far.  

Godfrey


> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
> 
>> I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.
>> Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

>The Sony A7 is another power hog. I bought a Wasabi set 

I would imagine that's the hot setup...

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
>>The Sony A7 is another power hog. I bought a Wasabi set
>
> I would imagine that's the hot setup...

Another pun thread is going to get a chili reception. But my own kit
bag is peppered with spare non-OEM batteries.

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread P.J. Alling
That is kind of why I asked advice.  I bought a Flashpoint battery with 
better specifications that the OEM battery for the K20D.  It's reliable, 
charges quickly, and in keeping with that seems to hold about 1/2 the 
power of the OEM battery.  It's good in a pinch, but...


I'm looking for a sense of the list, if a particular brand gets decent 
reviews.  I'll look into buying it.


On 3/27/2014 10:35 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Bill, it only proves that with 3rd party batteries it is a bit of a
gamble... Some say that their 3rd party batteries are good. Some say
the opposite. I am yet to see a person report that they bought an OEM
battery that did not perform properly...

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 27/03/2014 7:58 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

I don't think that saving few pennies on the battery and then
accidentally having to deal with the issues that may arise is worth
it. I had some 3rd party batteries for my K10D, one was really weak,
another was satisfactory. But since I upgraded to K-7 I resolved to
use OEM batteries only. No regrets here.

The same by the way applies to the battery grip. The 3rd party grip
turned out to be not very well made as far as electronics went. So
again I have OEM grip and it is performing flawlessly...


I felt the same way, but last year I wanted to have a few extra batteries
for an extended trip where I wouldn't have reliable access to electricity.
The Fuji especially is a battery hog, getting at best a few hundred shots on
a battery, so I bit the bullet and bought a couple of aftermarket batteries
for the Pentax and 3 for the Fuji. My net outlay was about 1/3 of the cost
of OEM batteries, and the dealer is in Canada so if there are problems I can
resolve them without having the hassle of dealing with a foreign company.
The end result is that I have 5 extra batteries for my cameras that are
indistiguishable in performance from their OEM cousins.
The Fuji batteries are listed as a couple of hundred milli amps lower
capacity, but I haven't noticed a performance difference. The new Fuji is a
battery hog, I will probably buy a few more batteries for it. At best, I get
a couple of hundred shots on a battery with it.

bill


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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Bill

On 27/03/2014 9:30 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

That is kind of why I asked advice.  I bought a Flashpoint battery with
better specifications that the OEM battery for the K20D.  It's reliable,
charges quickly, and in keeping with that seems to hold about 1/2 the
power of the OEM battery.  It's good in a pinch, but...

I'm looking for a sense of the list, if a particular brand gets decent
reviews.  I'll look into buying it.



My third party batteries come from batterycanada.com. No problems at 
all. It occurs to me I bought a laptop battery from them as well, also 
no problems.
I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but I suspect buying directly 
from Asia might be more of a crap shoot.


bill



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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread steve harley

on 2014-03-27 7:58 Boris Liberman wrote

I don't think that saving few pennies on the battery and then
accidentally having to deal with the issues that may arise is worth
it.


hmmm, this sounds like a truism - issues may arise either way, so i don't think 
buying brand names is a clear predictor of risk; and it's not just "pennies" so 
there's an opportunity cost - on what else of greater benefit could the 
difference in cost be spent?


in my case the two ebay batteries i bought last November have been problem free 
and the capacity difference is not evident in moderate use; as i mentioned 
then, their rated capacity is 1400mAh, or 75% of OEM; capacity was not my goal 
- i rarely ran my one battery down, but i wanted to have a spare to carry and a 
third to allow for when one is charging; for a net price of about $5 each, i 
met my goal and saved about $80


the seller was "power-alternatives", but no D-Li90s in stock currently; those 
for whom higher capacity *is* the goal might consider the 2800mAh models going 
for $8.50 each right now on eBay


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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread John

On 3/27/2014 1:27 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting "P.J. Alling" :


I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.

Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.



I bought some third party batteries for my K-5 on eBay (they're branded
'DSTE').  I haven't noticed any difference in performance or charging
time in comparison with the OEM Pentax battery - not that I've done any
specific tests.




What about a charger for the D-LI90 battery? Is there a good aftermarket
charger available?

I looked on the Pentax site and it seems like the Pentax chargers are
out of stock.

Also, what about a charger that would work off the 12V socket in the
car? (Assuming there's a time when it's not in use powering a cell
phone, gps, etc.)

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Stanley Halpin
I have a Pearstone charger for D-Li90’s. The same basic charger is sold with 
various slide-in clip-in battery cradles for various battery styles. The unit 
plugs directly into the wall with fold-out prongs - no messy cords to cope 
with. I’ve used this for a least a couple of years with no issues.
Charging speed compared to OEM? I have no idea. I put the battery in, 
eventually it is ready, I take it out and repeat as needed with additional 
batteries.But I don’t think it is appreciably slower than the Pentax charger.  
Do the D-Li90’s get as completely charged? Over-charged? Do they hold the 
charge as long? Again, I have no idea. That is why I carry spare batteries so I 
needn’t worry about such details. My spares are mostly OEM with 1-2 3rd party 
purchased via B&H IIRC. Never any issues. The only non-Pentax that I can lay my 
hands on at the moment is labeled Watson, 7.4v, 1800mAh.

stan

On Mar 27, 2014, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:

> On 3/27/2014 1:27 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
>> 
>>> I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.
>>> 
>>> Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.
>> 
>> 
>> I bought some third party batteries for my K-5 on eBay (they're branded
>> 'DSTE').  I haven't noticed any difference in performance or charging
>> time in comparison with the OEM Pentax battery - not that I've done any
>> specific tests.
>> 
>> 
> 
> What about a charger for the D-LI90 battery? Is there a good aftermarket
> charger available?
> 
> I looked on the Pentax site and it seems like the Pentax chargers are
> out of stock.
> 
> Also, what about a charger that would work off the 12V socket in the
> car? (Assuming there's a time when it's not in use powering a cell
> phone, gps, etc.)
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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread John

For the D-Li50s that powered the K10D/K20D I have 5 batteries & 3
chargers. I have the two Pentax chargers that came with the cameras and
an after-market charger I bought that has the folding prongs for 110VAC
and plug-in adapter for the 12VDC in the car.

The only non-Pentax battery I have is a Konica Minolta NP-400 1500mAh.
I've never noticed it being any different than the Pentax branded
batteries. The Pentax batteries came with the K10D, the K20D, the K20D
battery grip and Wolf Camera when it was going out of business.

I like being able to keep the "spare" battery on the charger even in the
car. That way the length of time it takes to charge becomes moot.

I'd like to be able to do the same for the D-Li90s. The cost of the
Pentax branded batteries doesn't bother me that much, given that I've
not yet seen any of the aftermarket batteries with a higher rated capacity.

On 3/27/2014 7:14 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I have a Pearstone charger for D-Li90’s. The same basic charger is
sold with various slide-in clip-in battery cradles for various
battery styles. The unit plugs directly into the wall with fold-out
prongs - no messy cords to cope with. I’ve used this for a least a
couple of years with no issues. Charging speed compared to OEM? I
have no idea. I put the battery in, eventually it is ready, I take it
out and repeat as needed with additional batteries.But I don’t think
it is appreciably slower than the Pentax charger.  Do the D-Li90’s
get as completely charged? Over-charged? Do they hold the charge as
long? Again, I have no idea. That is why I carry spare batteries so I
needn’t worry about such details. My spares are mostly OEM with 1-2
3rd party purchased via B&H IIRC. Never any issues. The only
non-Pentax that I can lay my hands on at the moment is labeled
Watson, 7.4v, 1800mAh.

stan

On Mar 27, 2014, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:


On 3/27/2014 1:27 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting "P.J. Alling" :


I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.

Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who
know.



I bought some third party batteries for my K-5 on eBay (they're
branded 'DSTE').  I haven't noticed any difference in performance
or charging time in comparison with the OEM Pentax battery - not
that I've done any specific tests.




What about a charger for the D-LI90 battery? Is there a good
aftermarket charger available?

I looked on the Pentax site and it seems like the Pentax chargers
are out of stock.

Also, what about a charger that would work off the 12V socket in
the car? (Assuming there's a time when it's not in use powering a
cell phone, gps, etc.)



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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Bruce Walker
I bought a battery through Amazon that claims 2800 mAH and the box
("High Voltage Technologies") says 2900 mAH. I haven't managed to run
it down yet, but I've only had a couple of 4-5 hours shoots so far.

Cost under $20 Canadian, free shipping. The OEM battery is easily four
times that price here.

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B004F0EX5O


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:51 PM, John  wrote:
> For the D-Li50s that powered the K10D/K20D I have 5 batteries & 3
> chargers. I have the two Pentax chargers that came with the cameras and
> an after-market charger I bought that has the folding prongs for 110VAC
> and plug-in adapter for the 12VDC in the car.
>
> The only non-Pentax battery I have is a Konica Minolta NP-400 1500mAh.
> I've never noticed it being any different than the Pentax branded
> batteries. The Pentax batteries came with the K10D, the K20D, the K20D
> battery grip and Wolf Camera when it was going out of business.
>
> I like being able to keep the "spare" battery on the charger even in the
> car. That way the length of time it takes to charge becomes moot.
>
> I'd like to be able to do the same for the D-Li90s. The cost of the
> Pentax branded batteries doesn't bother me that much, given that I've
> not yet seen any of the aftermarket batteries with a higher rated capacity.
>
>
> On 3/27/2014 7:14 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>>
>> I have a Pearstone charger for D-Li90’s. The same basic charger is
>> sold with various slide-in clip-in battery cradles for various
>> battery styles. The unit plugs directly into the wall with fold-out
>> prongs - no messy cords to cope with. I’ve used this for a least a
>> couple of years with no issues. Charging speed compared to OEM? I
>> have no idea. I put the battery in, eventually it is ready, I take it
>> out and repeat as needed with additional batteries.But I don’t think
>> it is appreciably slower than the Pentax charger.  Do the D-Li90’s
>> get as completely charged? Over-charged? Do they hold the charge as
>> long? Again, I have no idea. That is why I carry spare batteries so I
>> needn’t worry about such details. My spares are mostly OEM with 1-2
>> 3rd party purchased via B&H IIRC. Never any issues. The only
>> non-Pentax that I can lay my hands on at the moment is labeled
>> Watson, 7.4v, 1800mAh.
>>
>> stan
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 6:16 PM, John  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/27/2014 1:27 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

 Quoting "P.J. Alling" :

> I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.
>
> Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who
> know.



 I bought some third party batteries for my K-5 on eBay (they're
 branded 'DSTE').  I haven't noticed any difference in performance
 or charging time in comparison with the OEM Pentax battery - not
 that I've done any specific tests.


>>>
>>> What about a charger for the D-LI90 battery? Is there a good
>>> aftermarket charger available?
>>>
>>> I looked on the Pentax site and it seems like the Pentax chargers
>>> are out of stock.
>>>
>>> Also, what about a charger that would work off the 12V socket in
>>> the car? (Assuming there's a time when it's not in use powering a
>>> cell phone, gps, etc.)
>>>
>
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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread steve harley

on 2014-03-27 18:28 Bruce Walker wrote

I bought a battery through Amazon that claims 2800 mAH and the box
("High Voltage Technologies") says 2900 mAH. I haven't managed to run
it down yet, but I've only had a couple of 4-5 hours shoots so far.


earlier today, i saw some "2800mAh" D-Li90s on eBay for $8.50 shipped; they are 
DSTE brand, seller "tianlin2010", and i can't vouch for them, but if i were 
buying today and not in a hurry (free shipping from Hong Kong), i'd get them



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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-27 Thread Ken Waller


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Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery



On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:


The Sony A7 is another power hog. I bought a Wasabi set


I would imagine that's the hot setup...


Another pun thread is going to get a chili reception. But my own kit
bag is peppered with spare non-OEM batteries.


I'll salt that away for future reference.

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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-28 Thread Bruce
I've had excellent experiences with Wasabi brand found on Amazon.  Have 
purchased 4 of them and they have performed just like the Pentax ones. 

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> I though the K20D battery took a long time to fully charge.
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> Started to do some research and then decided ask the people who know.
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Re: Recommendations for a Third party K-5 battery

2014-03-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Steve, I wasn't suggesting a general theory. I merely indicated my own 
experience. It follows from my experience that OEM batteries/battery 
grips are preferable.




On 3/27/2014 9:24 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2014-03-27 7:58 Boris Liberman wrote

I don't think that saving few pennies on the battery and then
accidentally having to deal with the issues that may arise is worth
it.


hmmm, this sounds like a truism - issues may arise either way, so i
don't think buying brand names is a clear predictor of risk; and it's
not just "pennies" so there's an opportunity cost - on what else of
greater benefit could the difference in cost be spent?

in my case the two ebay batteries i bought last November have been
problem free and the capacity difference is not evident in moderate use;
as i mentioned then, their rated capacity is 1400mAh, or 75% of OEM;
capacity was not my goal - i rarely ran my one battery down, but i
wanted to have a spare to carry and a third to allow for when one is
charging; for a net price of about $5 each, i met my goal and saved
about $80

the seller was "power-alternatives", but no D-Li90s in stock currently;
those for whom higher capacity *is* the goal might consider the 2800mAh
models going for $8.50 each right now on eBay




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