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C Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political C figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide C plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access C is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. But it already happened. Ahmad Shah Massoud, the leader of Northern Alliance (most famous and successful anti-Taliban force in Afghanistan) and known as Lion of Panjshir, was assasinated by a Al-Kaida men disguised as TV crew just few days before 9/11. He was quite open with journalists before that. C One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be C forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. Hm, when I photographed (notice that I use this word instead of the more common one beginning in s g) at the Bush-Putin summit this spring, there were a lot of tests before we could get any closer to him. Including functionality of cameras and special sniffing dogs. But it wasn't perfect. Good light! fra
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WR What will happen is that all politics will be done behind locked doors, with WR the public excluded. Isn't it that way already? (just in case, the smiley omission is on purpose...) Good light! fra
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On Oct 28, 2005, at 6:48 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I have the crosshair focusing screen for my MX... I have the grid screen for my nuclear 6x7. That has 35 crosshairs... there won't be much left when I let that baby off. - Dave
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David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 28, 2005, at 6:48 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I have the crosshair focusing screen for my MX... I have the grid screen for my nuclear 6x7. That has 35 crosshairs... there won't be much left when I let that baby off. I bought the MX screen on an eBay auction that described it as a crosshatch screen. I was hoping it would be the grid screen but ended up with an interesting collector's item instead :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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It has happend already. In the movies. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Cotty wrote: On 27/10/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed: Back like 30 or more years ago, in the Communist Czechoslovakian republic, there was a big meeting of the Party brass with journalists coming to it, including few foreign. And in walked a cameraman with a Steadycam and began shooting (for those who don't know, in steadycam you might look like a robocop or terminator holding some rambo-style cannon g). Guess what happened - guards sounded alarm, the brass ducked under their table, the police jumped at the brass to bodily protect them and others jumped at the poor cameraman pinning him to the floor... I am sure the communists officials wetted themselves when they saw the guy with the big something aiming at them, horror it's the latest Wes-Pac weapon here ;-) Classic. Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Wednesday, October 26, 2005, 5:52:27 AM, Bill wrote: BDC Dave wrote: Now if he needs 40 fps etc then he needs to upgrade to the Canons or Nikons. I amd very satisfied with my istD as a steath camera. People run when they see the 70-200VR with 1.7b tele. BDC I just got my 300mm f4 for my 6x7 and I suspect folks will BDC scatter when that combo comes out of the bag, up to the eye, BDC and aimed in their general direction! !8^D Haha :-) I am sure Cotty will appreciate this little story: Back like 30 or more years ago, in the Communist Czechoslovakian republic, there was a big meeting of the Party brass with journalists coming to it, including few foreign. And in walked a cameraman with a Steadycam and began shooting (for those who don't know, in steadycam you might look like a robocop or terminator holding some rambo-style cannon g). Guess what happened - guards sounded alarm, the brass ducked under their table, the police jumped at the brass to bodily protect them and others jumped at the poor cameraman pinning him to the floor... I am sure the communists officials wetted themselves when they saw the guy with the big something aiming at them, horror it's the latest Wes-Pac weapon here ;-) Good light! fra
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On 27/10/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed: Back like 30 or more years ago, in the Communist Czechoslovakian republic, there was a big meeting of the Party brass with journalists coming to it, including few foreign. And in walked a cameraman with a Steadycam and began shooting (for those who don't know, in steadycam you might look like a robocop or terminator holding some rambo-style cannon g). Guess what happened - guards sounded alarm, the brass ducked under their table, the police jumped at the brass to bodily protect them and others jumped at the poor cameraman pinning him to the floor... I am sure the communists officials wetted themselves when they saw the guy with the big something aiming at them, horror it's the latest Wes-Pac weapon here ;-) Classic. Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 10/27/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Classic. Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. well, if the cia, the fbi, scotland yard, nato, and the military/intelligence agencies of every western nation weren't already watching us, they are now! LOL -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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At 10:54 AM 10/27/2005, Cotty wrote: Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. According to some conspiracy buff named Senyk, this very thing has already happened: http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-58476 You will find his post about half-way down the page. Not that I believe a word of it, but at least it was a creative story. ;) I have seen pictures on the internet of gun-cameras that supposedly were designed for use by the CIA. I can't remember what brand of camera they used, but I think it was a 35mm SLR which fired a single shot and would shatter the lens of the camera upon firing. The idea has been around a very long time, and I'm sure that the Secret Service have already considered this possibility when arranging protection for the president. On a possibly related note, a professional corporate photographer friend of mine was once sent to photograph president Bush shortly after his first election. Bush was making a speech at a National Guard facility in West Virginia. The utility company my friend worked for had arranged for his clearance to photograph the event. When he arrived, one of the security people pointed to a line near the stage. My friend was told that if he crossed that line for any reason, snipers would kill him instantly. Maybe they were afraid he had a gun-camera, or that his fanny pack was filled with explosives? I don't know. Maybe they just didn't want him within throwing distance of the stage? I suppose a Nikon hitting Bush's head could potentially do some damage. ;) take care, Glen
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:54:21 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/10/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed: Back like 30 or more years ago, in the Communist Czechoslovakian republic, there was a big meeting of the Party brass with journalists coming to it, including few foreign. And in walked a cameraman with a Steadycam and began shooting (for those who don't know, in steadycam you might look like a robocop or terminator holding some rambo-style cannon g). Guess what happened - guards sounded alarm, the brass ducked under their table, the police jumped at the brass to bodily protect them and others jumped at the poor cameraman pinning him to the floor... I am sure the communists officials wetted themselves when they saw the guy with the big something aiming at them, horror it's the latest Wes-Pac weapon here ;-) Classic. Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. It's a great idea; I'll start on it immediately. Now, where's my little list? Blair, Blunkett, Brown, Bush. B's every one! John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Pentax made such a camera ... it was called the Stinger http://www.aohc.it/oddse1.htm Shel [Original Message] From: Glen I have seen pictures on the internet of gun-cameras that supposedly were designed for use by the CIA. I can't remember what brand of camera they used, but I think it was a 35mm SLR which fired a single shot and would shatter the lens of the camera upon firing. The idea has been around a very long time, and I'm sure that the Secret Service have already considered this possibility when arranging protection for the president.
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I wonder if they put a crosshair on the focusing screen. Pentax made such a camera ... it was called the Stinger http://www.aohc.it/oddse1.htm Shel [Original Message] From: Glen I have seen pictures on the internet of gun-cameras that supposedly were designed for use by the CIA. I can't remember what brand of camera they used, but I think it was a 35mm SLR which fired a single shot and would shatter the lens of the camera upon firing. The idea has been around a very long time, and I'm sure that the Secret Service have already considered this possibility when arranging protection for the president.
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A couple of Al Qaeda/Taliban operatives assassinated Ahmad Shah Massoud. the then leader of the Northern Alliance, on Sept 9, 2001, they were disguised as television journalists, according to eye witnesses their camera had the weapon inside it. Cotty wrote: On 27/10/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed: Back like 30 or more years ago, in the Communist Czechoslovakian republic, there was a big meeting of the Party brass with journalists coming to it, including few foreign. And in walked a cameraman with a Steadycam and began shooting (for those who don't know, in steadycam you might look like a robocop or terminator holding some rambo-style cannon g). Guess what happened - guards sounded alarm, the brass ducked under their table, the police jumped at the brass to bodily protect them and others jumped at the poor cameraman pinning him to the floor... I am sure the communists officials wetted themselves when they saw the guy with the big something aiming at them, horror it's the latest Wes-Pac weapon here ;-) Classic. Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax made such a camera ... it was called the Stinger http://www.aohc.it/oddse1.htm I wonder if they put a crosshair on the focusing screen. I have the crosshair focusing screen for my MX... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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I don't think that much accuracy was possible, or required... (Nor do I think I'd want that thing anywhere near my face when it went off). Mark Roberts wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax made such a camera ... it was called the Stinger http://www.aohc.it/oddse1.htm I wonder if they put a crosshair on the focusing screen. I have the crosshair focusing screen for my MX... -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if they put a crosshair on the focusing screen. smile Meant only for close up work, Tom... keith Pentax made such a camera ... it was called the Stinger http://www.aohc.it/oddse1.htm Shel [Original Message] From: Glen I have seen pictures on the internet of gun-cameras that supposedly were designed for use by the CIA. I can't remember what brand of camera they used, but I think it was a 35mm SLR which fired a single shot and would shatter the lens of the camera upon firing. The idea has been around a very long time, and I'm sure that the Secret Service have already considered this possibility when arranging protection for the president.
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Oh, I guess it's only good for snapshots. I suppose you can't expect much from ISO 1800 ft/sec anyway. I bet the results probably give new meaning to the term barrel distortion. Meant only for close up work, Tom... I wonder if they put a crosshair on the focusing screen. Pentax made such a camera ... it was called the Stinger http://www.aohc.it/oddse1.htm
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- Original Message - From: Glen Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother I suppose a Nikon hitting Bush's head could potentially do some damage. ;) To what? William Robb
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- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. What will happen is that all politics will be done behind locked doors, with the public excluded. We will be told it is for our own good. William Robb
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To the camera Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 10/27/2005 12:41:02 PM Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother - Original Message - From: Glen Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother I suppose a Nikon hitting Bush's head could potentially do some damage. ;) To what? William Robb
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John Forbes wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:54:21 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/10/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed: Back like 30 or more years ago, in the Communist Czechoslovakian republic, there was a big meeting of the Party brass with journalists coming to it, including few foreign. And in walked a cameraman with a Steadycam and began shooting (for those who don't know, in steadycam you might look like a robocop or terminator holding some rambo-style cannon g). Guess what happened - guards sounded alarm, the brass ducked under their table, the police jumped at the brass to bodily protect them and others jumped at the poor cameraman pinning him to the floor... I am sure the communists officials wetted themselves when they saw the guy with the big something aiming at them, horror it's the latest Wes-Pac weapon here ;-) Classic. Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. It's a great idea; I'll start on it immediately. Now, where's my little list? Blair, Blunkett, Brown, Bush. B's every one! Rumsfeld, the gang in Beijing, Putin, Chirac, many equatorial African leaders. Odd. They all seem to be B's to me, too!
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Cotty escribió: Actually I'm surprised nobody has ever actually assassinated a political figure using a video camera as the weapon. Hollowed out, it could provide plenty of cavity space for high explosives or projectile weaponry. Access is excellent, and they even stand the target in front of the thing for you. One day it will happen, and then all stills and TV cameras will be forever suspect and subjected to stringent tests. Mark my words. Cotty, Ahmad Shah Massoud, a legendary Afghan warlord and defence minister of the Northern Alliance, was killed the way you suggest in September 2001 (some days before the 9-11 attacks), by a fake TV crew, using a modified video camera which contained a grenade launcher. Carlos
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On 27/10/05, Carlos Royo, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty, Ahmad Shah Massoud, a legendary Afghan warlord and defence minister of the Northern Alliance, was killed the way you suggest in September 2001 (some days before the 9-11 attacks), by a fake TV crew, using a modified video camera which contained a grenade launcher. Thanks. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0110/junger.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Shah_Massoud http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/11/wmass11.xml Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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the Schwarzenegger movie True Lies had the special forces team sneak one of their people into a hostage situation as a cameraman. they frisked him, but he had his gun inside the camera. Herb... - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother A couple of Al Qaeda/Taliban operatives assassinated Ahmad Shah Massoud. the then leader of the Northern Alliance, on Sept 9, 2001, they were disguised as television journalists, according to eye witnesses their camera had the weapon inside it.
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Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Dave wrote: Now if he needs 40 fps etc then he needs to upgrade to the Canons or Nikons. I amd very satisfied with my istD as a steath camera. People run when they see the 70-200VR with 1.7b tele. I just got my 300mm f4 for my 6x7 and I suspect folks will scatter when that combo comes out of the bag, up to the eye, and aimed in their general direction! !8^D (KEH sent me a pristine SuperTakumar 300mm f4 in m42 by mistake first go-round) Brother Bill Me too, Brother Bill, http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7554560888ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:AU:11 http://tinyurl.com/d9aan Do you have a gym membership? I think I'll have to join. Brother D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
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Dave wrote: Now if he needs 40 fps etc then he needs to upgrade to the Canons or Nikons. I amd very satisfied with my istD as a steath camera. People run when they see the 70-200VR with 1.7b tele. I just got my 300mm f4 for my 6x7 and I suspect folks will scatter when that combo comes out of the bag, up to the eye, and aimed in their general direction! !8^D (KEH sent me a pristine SuperTakumar 300mm f4 in m42 by mistake first go-round) Brother Bill Still debating if i should pick up a 300 for my 6x7.:-) Brother Dave
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With whom are you debating? Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still debating if i should pick up a 300 for my 6x7.:-)
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother Still debating if i should pick up a 300 for my 6x7.:-) Your a big guy. You can do it. William Robb
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Do you have a gym membership? I think I'll have to join. Brother D Just consider the 300 as training for the 600! Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Dave wrote: Now if he needs 40 fps etc then he needs to upgrade to the Canons or Nikons. I amd very satisfied with my istD as a steath camera. People run when they see the 70-200VR with 1.7b tele. I just got my 300mm f4 for my 6x7 and I suspect folks will scatter when that combo comes out of the bag, up to the eye, and aimed in their general direction! !8^D (KEH sent me a pristine SuperTakumar 300mm f4 in m42 by mistake first go-round) Brother Bill Me too, Brother Bill, http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7554560888ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:AU:11 http://tinyurl.com/d9aan Do you have a gym membership? I think I'll have to join. Brother D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still debating if i should pick up a 300 for my 6x7.:-) Your a big guy. You can do it. Well with a lens that big it's not so much as being able to pick it up as being able to, erm... keep it up. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother Still debating if i should pick up a 300 for my 6x7.:-) Your a big guy. You can do it. William Robb Well, thats stil true.:-) However i'm stil an XL Kenora dinner Jacket. Have not made the move to XXL . LOL Dave
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Gee, I thought the 300/4 for the 67 was basically the same lens as the K-300/4 with a different mount. I never had a problem lifting or holding that. Now Ken's 600mm Bazooka, that would be a bit of a problem handholding. A 300 on the 67 is about the same magnification as a 135 on a 35mm camera. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Kenneth Waller wrote: Do you have a gym membership? I think I'll have to join. Brother D Just consider the 300 as training for the 600! Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Dave wrote: Now if he needs 40 fps etc then he needs to upgrade to the Canons or Nikons. I amd very satisfied with my istD as a steath camera. People run when they see the 70-200VR with 1.7b tele. I just got my 300mm f4 for my 6x7 and I suspect folks will scatter when that combo comes out of the bag, up to the eye, and aimed in their general direction! !8^D (KEH sent me a pristine SuperTakumar 300mm f4 in m42 by mistake first go-round) Brother Bill Me too, Brother Bill, http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7554560888ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:AU:11 http://tinyurl.com/d9aan Do you have a gym membership? I think I'll have to join. Brother D
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On Oct 26, 2005, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still debating if i should pick up a 300 for my 6x7.:-) Brother Dave You should. I have the old Takumar one and it's pretty good. Or are you thinking more along the lines of the new ED version? - Other Brother Dave
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Dave wrote: Now if he needs 40 fps etc then he needs to upgrade to the Canons or Nikons. I amd very satisfied with my istD as a steath camera. People run when they see the 70-200VR with 1.7b tele. I just got my 300mm f4 for my 6x7 and I suspect folks will scatter when that combo comes out of the bag, up to the eye, and aimed in their general direction! !8^D (KEH sent me a pristine SuperTakumar 300mm f4 in m42 by mistake first go-round) Brother Bill
