Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
It also turned out that ultimately I didnt' need to use it .. Just had to tell the printer I was using Epson enhanced matte and let the printer do the work... as I was using Double sided matte from Red river I chose double sided matte in the paper menu.. that turned out to be wrong and was the reason the r2400 prints were washed out. don't really ahve to mess with all the fancy stuff at all ann On 10/13/2016 9:03 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Ann, I think they are rather similar (but I looked only at a very small snippet of the video. Anyway, - I am glad you found what's working for you. Igor ann sanfedele Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:36:56 -0700 wrote: Alas, No help at all.. it is more different than you think, however, I found this on line and it is helpful http://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how-to-use-icc-color-printer-profiles-photoshop-elements-epson-pc.html ann On 10/13/2016 9:01 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Ann: This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print photos on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles: http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they are very close, so, you should be able to follow. Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering what Paul (and others) were talking about. I hope this helps. Igor ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote: On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles and let the printer rule? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
Ann, I think they are rather similar (but I looked only at a very small snippet of the video. Anyway, - I am glad you found what's working for you. Igor ann sanfedele Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:36:56 -0700 wrote: Alas, No help at all.. it is more different than you think, however, I found this on line and it is helpful http://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how-to-use-icc-color-printer-profiles-photoshop-elements-epson-pc.html ann On 10/13/2016 9:01 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Ann: This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print photos on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles: http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they are very close, so, you should be able to follow. Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering what Paul (and others) were talking about. I hope this helps. Igor ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote: On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles and let the printer rule? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
Alas, No help at all.. it is more different than you think, however, I found this on line and it is helpful http://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how-to-use-icc-color-printer-profiles-photoshop-elements-epson-pc.html ann On 10/13/2016 9:01 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Ann: This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print photos on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles: http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they are very close, so, you should be able to follow. Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering what Paul (and others) were talking about. I hope this helps. Igor ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote: On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles and let the printer rule? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
Hi Ann: This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print photos on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles: http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they are very close, so, you should be able to follow. Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering what Paul (and others) were talking about. I hope this helps. Igor ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote: On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles and let the printer rule? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
Thanks - sorry to be pITA On 10/13/2016 1:13 AM, Paul in MKE wrote: Ann, I'll put together a longish reply/info off list tomorrow. -p On 10/12/2016 10:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: If I get the same results regardless of what it says in elements (remove profile, use srgb,use adobe rgb) in the little drop down box in elements... I guess the printner driver is doing it Didn't know r220 was dye or r2400 was pigment I don't know how to install profiles never thought about them at all ann On 10/12/2016 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the Red River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the R220, but they do for the R2400. Would be a good idea to install he one for the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer. Just be sure that if you use Elements to control the output you set the printer driver to not control the output results. Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are pigment based. That could be a reason for the prints looking a slightly different. -p On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes all the difference. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that. I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I don't think it matters... Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it. I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page. any ideas? off to my daily nap now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
Ann, I'll put together a longish reply/info off list tomorrow. -p On 10/12/2016 10:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: If I get the same results regardless of what it says in elements (remove profile, use srgb,use adobe rgb) in the little drop down box in elements... I guess the printner driver is doing it Didn't know r220 was dye or r2400 was pigment I don't know how to install profiles never thought about them at all ann On 10/12/2016 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the Red River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the R220, but they do for the R2400. Would be a good idea to install he one for the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer. Just be sure that if you use Elements to control the output you set the printer driver to not control the output results. Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are pigment based. That could be a reason for the prints looking a slightly different. -p On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes all the difference. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that. I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I don't think it matters... Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it. I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page. any ideas? off to my daily nap now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
If I get the same results regardless of what it says in elements (remove profile, use srgb,use adobe rgb) in the little drop down box in elements... I guess the printner driver is doing it Didn't know r220 was dye or r2400 was pigment I don't know how to install profiles never thought about them at all ann On 10/12/2016 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the Red River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the R220, but they do for the R2400. Would be a good idea to install he one for the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer. Just be sure that if you use Elements to control the output you set the printer driver to not control the output results. Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are pigment based. That could be a reason for the prints looking a slightly different. -p On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes all the difference. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that. I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I don't think it matters... Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it. I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page. any ideas? off to my daily nap now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles and let the printer rule? The printing isn't bad , just different across printers - I can't tell the r220 that I'm using double sided matte, though To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes all the difference. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that. I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I don't think it matters... Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it. I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page. any ideas? off to my daily nap now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the Red River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the R220, but they do for the R2400. Would be a good idea to install he one for the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer. Just be sure that if you use Elements to control the output you set the printer driver to not control the output results. Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are pigment based. That could be a reason for the prints looking a slightly different. -p On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes all the difference. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that. I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I don't think it matters... Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it. I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page. any ideas? off to my daily nap now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...
Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes all the difference. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 > and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to > Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to > me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the > R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you > probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. > > I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte > cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy > weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting > choice for double sided matte so I used that. > > I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I > don't think it matters... > > Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored > in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all > BS, or > > both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop > Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling > it. > > I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the > r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files > every time I print one calendar page. > > any ideas? > > off to my daily nap now > > ann > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Some printer stuff to chew on...
I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile. within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper. I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that. I haven't got any Red River specific profiles - and from what I'm seeing I don't think it matters... Looks like either or both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it. I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page. any ideas? off to my daily nap now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
