Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-13 Thread ann sanfedele 

It also turned out that ultimately I didnt' need to use it ..

Just had to tell the printer I was using Epson enhanced matte and let 
the printer do the work... as I was using Double sided matte from Red 
river I chose


double sided matte in the paper menu.. that turned out to be wrong and 
was the reason the r2400 prints were washed out.  don't really ahve to 
mess with all the fancy stuff at all


ann


On 10/13/2016 9:03 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Ann,

I think they are rather similar (but I looked only at a very small 
snippet of the video.

Anyway, - I am glad you found what's working for you.

Igor

 ann sanfedele Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:36:56 -0700 wrote:

Alas, No help at all.. it is more different than you think, however,


I found this on line and it is  helpful

http://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how-to-use-icc-color-printer-profiles-photoshop-elements-epson-pc.html 



ann


On 10/13/2016 9:01 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Hi Ann:

This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print 
photos on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles:

http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf
While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they 
are very close, so, you should be able to follow.
Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering 
what Paul (and others) were talking about.


I hope this helps.

Igor


ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote:


On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

   Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's

   color controls?

I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped 
someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you 
removed profiles and let the printer rule?







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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-13 Thread Igor PDML-StR 


Ann,

I think they are rather similar (but I looked only at a very small snippet 
of the video.

Anyway, - I am glad you found what's working for you.

Igor

 ann sanfedele Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:36:56 -0700 wrote:

Alas, No help at all.. it is more different than you think, however,


I found this on line and it is  helpful

http://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how-to-use-icc-color-printer-profiles-photoshop-elements-epson-pc.html

ann


On 10/13/2016 9:01 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Hi Ann:

This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print photos on 
Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles:

http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf
While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they are 
very close, so, you should be able to follow.
Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering what Paul 
(and others) were talking about.


I hope this helps.

Igor


ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote:


On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

   Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's

   color controls?

I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone 
would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles 
and let the printer rule?




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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-13 Thread ann sanfedele 

Alas, No help at all.. it is more different than you think, however,

I found this on line and it is  helpful

http://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how-to-use-icc-color-printer-profiles-photoshop-elements-epson-pc.html

ann


On 10/13/2016 9:01 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Hi Ann:

This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print 
photos on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles:

http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf
While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they 
are very close, so, you should be able to follow.
Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering 
what Paul (and others) were talking about.


I hope this helps.

Igor


ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote:


On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's

color controls?

I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped 
someone would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you 
removed profiles and let the printer rule?





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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-13 Thread Igor PDML-StR 


Hi Ann:

This document describes with pictures of the menus of how to print photos 
on Epson printers (like R2400) using paper profiles:

http://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd3/cpd39134.pdf
While in PSE the menus might look slightly different then in PS, they are 
very close, so, you should be able to follow.
Pay attention to the pictures on p. 10 and p.12. These are covering what 
Paul (and others) were talking about.


I hope this helps.

Igor


ann sanfedele Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:07:56 -0700 wrote:


On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's

color controls?

I don't know and don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped someone 
would tell me. :-) Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed 
profiles and let the printer rule?


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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-13 Thread ann sanfedele 

Thanks - sorry to be pITA


On 10/13/2016 1:13 AM, Paul in MKE wrote:

Ann, I'll put together a longish reply/info off list tomorrow.

-p


On 10/12/2016 10:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
If I get the same results regardless of what it says in elements 
(remove profile, use srgb,use adobe rgb) in the little drop down box 
in elements... I guess the printner driver is doing it


Didn't know r220 was dye or r2400 was pigment

I don't know how to install profiles
never thought about them at all

ann



On 10/12/2016 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the 
color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the 
Red River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the 
R220, but they do for the R2400.  Would be a good idea to install he 
one for the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer.  
Just be sure that if you use Elements to control the output you set 
the printer driver to not control the output results.


Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks 
are pigment based.  That could be a reason for the prints looking a 
slightly different.


-p


On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use 
the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a 
paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That 
makes all the difference.


Paul via phone


On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times 
on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from 
SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile.  within the same printer run, 
they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply 
overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black 
cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But 
you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper.


I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the 
matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte 
paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 
there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that.


I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm 
seeing I don't think it matters...


Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever 
is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one 
uses and it is all BS, or


both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in 
Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT 
which is controlling it.


I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better 
than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to 
fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page.


any ideas?

off to my daily nap now

ann


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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-12 Thread Paul in MKE 

Ann, I'll put together a longish reply/info off list tomorrow.

-p


On 10/12/2016 10:22 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
If I get the same results regardless of what it says in elements 
(remove profile, use srgb,use adobe rgb) in the little drop down box 
in elements... I guess the printner driver is doing it


Didn't know r220 was dye or r2400 was pigment

I don't know how to install profiles
never thought about them at all

ann



On 10/12/2016 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the 
color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the 
Red River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the 
R220, but they do for the R2400.  Would be a good idea to install he 
one for the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer.  Just 
be sure that if you use Elements to control the output you set the 
printer driver to not control the output results.


Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are 
pigment based.  That could be a reason for the prints looking a 
slightly different.


-p


On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use 
the former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a 
paper for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That 
makes all the difference.


Paul via phone


On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times 
on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from 
SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile.  within the same printer run, 
they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply 
overall lighter than the R220. Now the R220 only has one black 
cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But 
you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper.


I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the 
matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte 
paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 
there was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that.


I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm 
seeing I don't think it matters...


Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever 
is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one 
uses and it is all BS, or


both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in 
Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT 
which is controlling it.


I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better 
than the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to 
fiddle with the files every time I print one calendar page.


any ideas?

off to my daily nap now

ann


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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-12 Thread ann sanfedele 
If I get the same results regardless of what it says in elements (remove 
profile, use srgb,use adobe rgb) in the little drop down box in 
elements... I guess the printner driver is doing it


Didn't know r220 was dye or r2400 was pigment

I don't know how to install profiles
never thought about them at all

ann



On 10/12/2016 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the 
color output or depending on the printer's driver? I looked on the Red 
River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the R220, 
but they do for the R2400.  Would be a good idea to install he one for 
the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer.  Just be sure 
that if you use Elements to control the output you set the printer 
driver to not control the output results.


Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are 
pigment based.  That could be a reason for the prints looking a 
slightly different.


-p


On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the 
printer's color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the 
former. Accurate profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper 
for which ics profiles for your printers are available? That makes 
all the difference.


Paul via phone


On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times 
on my R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from 
SGRBto ADobe RGB, to Remove profile.  within the same printer run, 
they all look identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply 
overall lighter than the R220.  Now the R220 only has one black 
cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. But you 
switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper.


I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the 
matte cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte 
paper heavy weight best photo and photo enhanced. On the R2400 there 
was a setting choice for double sided matte so I used that.


I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm 
seeing I don't think it matters...


Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever 
is stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one 
uses and it is all BS, or


both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in 
Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT 
which is controlling it.


I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than 
the r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle 
with the files every time I print one calendar page.


any ideas?

off to my daily nap now

ann


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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-12 Thread ann sanfedele 



On 10/12/2016 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's 
color controls?
I don't know and  don't know how to tell... that was what I hoped 
someone would tell me.  :-)
Hey weren't you the one that you said you removed profiles and let the 
printer rule?   The printing isn't bad , just different across printers 
- I can't tell the r220 that I'm using double sided matte, though

  To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are 
also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers 
are available? That makes all the difference.

Paul via phone


On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 
and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to 
Remove profile.  within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... 
but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220.  Now the R220 
only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. 
But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper.

I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte 
cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight 
best photo and photo enhanced.  On the R2400 there was a setting choice for 
double sided matte so I used that.

I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm seeing I 
don't think it matters...

Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in 
the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or

both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop 
Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it.

I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 
and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every 
time I print one calendar page.

any ideas?

off to my daily nap now

ann


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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-12 Thread Paul in MKE 
As Paul Stenquist said, are you setting the software to control the 
color output or depending on the printer's driver?  I looked on the Red 
River site and it appears they don't have an ICC profile for the R220, 
but they do for the R2400.  Would be a good idea to install he one for 
the R2400 and use that when printing from that printer.  Just be sure 
that if you use Elements to control the output you set the printer 
driver to not control the output results.


Also, I believe the R220 uses dye based inks while the R2400 inks are 
pigment based.  That could be a reason for the prints looking a slightly 
different.


-p


On 10/12/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's 
color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate profiles are 
also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for your printers are 
available? That makes all the difference.

Paul via phone


On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 
and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to 
Remove profile.  within the same printer run, they all look identical to me... 
but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220.  Now the R220 
only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you probably know. 
But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper.

I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte 
cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy weight 
best photo and photo enhanced.  On the R2400 there was a setting choice for 
double sided matte so I used that.

I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm seeing I 
don't think it matters...

Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored in 
the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all BS, or

both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop 
Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling it.

I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the r2400 
and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files every 
time I print one calendar page.

any ideas?

off to my daily nap now

ann


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Re: Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-12 Thread Paul Stenquist 
Are you printing with "PS Elements controls printing" or using the printer's 
color controls? To get accurate results you need to use the former. Accurate 
profiles are also an issue. Can you choose a paper for which ics profiles for 
your printers are available? That makes all the difference.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my R220 
> and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe RGB, to 
> Remove profile.  within the same printer run, they all look identical to 
> me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than the R220.  Now the 
> R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 3, as most of you 
> probably know. But you switch out the main Black one when you use matte paper.
> 
> I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte 
> cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy 
> weight best photo and photo enhanced.  On the R2400 there was a setting 
> choice for double sided matte so I used that.
> 
> I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm seeing I 
> don't think it matters...
> 
> Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever is stored 
> in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and it is all 
> BS, or
> 
> both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in Photoshop 
> Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which is controlling 
> it.
> 
> I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the 
> r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the files 
> every time I print one calendar page.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> off to my daily nap now
> 
> ann
> 
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Some printer stuff to chew on...

2016-10-12 Thread ann sanfedele 
I did a little test - took one file and printed it out three times on my 
R220 and three times on my R2400, changing the profile from SGRBto ADobe 
RGB, to Remove profile.  within the same printer run, they all look 
identical to me... but the R2400 prints are simply overall lighter than 
the R220.  Now the R220 only has one black cartridge and the r2400 has 
3, as most of you probably know. But you switch out the main Black one 
when you use matte paper.


I used 50lb Red river stock for this, double sided matte with the matte 
cartridge in , of course. On the R220 the setting was matte paper heavy 
weight best photo and photo enhanced.  On the R2400 there was a setting 
choice for double sided matte so I used that.


I haven't got any Red River specific profiles  - and from what I'm 
seeing I don't think it matters...


Looks like either or  both printers are simply overriding whatever is 
stored in the file or it really doesn't matter what profiel one uses and 
it is all BS, or


both printers are using a profile that is the samebecause I'm in 
Photoshop Elements 10 when i print and there is something in THAT which 
is controlling it.


I like some of thecalendar pages as they are on the r220 better than the 
r2400 and vice versabut it would be nice not to have to fiddle with the 
files every time I print one calendar page.


any ideas?

off to my daily nap now

ann


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