Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:21 PM, John wrote: > > I would like the option of HSS. > > I was kind of looking for ideas on what those shooting in studio with Pentax > are using. Right now, it's really idle curiosity, because I don't know if > I'll ever be able to set up a studio. HSS is _completely_ useless in the studio. Well, perhaps also in a brightly sunlit studio, which I have encountered a few times. The 645Z's 1/125th sec sync speed makes that tricky sometimes. HSS is mainly of use outside in the sun with underpowered flashes. Using efficient modifiers (read: silver coated) and at least 500 watt-second strobes you can overpower the sun without needing HSS. There are 3rd party HSS solutions out there that work with Pentax. I'll leave it to you to Google it up. :-) They all sound iffy and klugey to me and I decided to pass on the whole thing. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
I am using a fairly extensive Paul C Buff kit, John. I have four 640 watt-seconds Einsteins. I have a bunch of PCB modifiers including the 5' strips, a 5' silver parabolic (PLM), beauty dish, reflectors, barn doors, and grids. I also have a Vagabond battery inverter so I can go on location for a few hours if I need to. Also useful for firing a strobe from outside through a window to mimic sunlight in a room. I trigger, control, and meter the whole shebang with the Cyber Commander and CyberSync receivers. I can meter my lights individually, in groups or all together then remotely adjust power levels also individually or groups/all no matter if they are twelve feet up in an umbrella on a boom. It's way better than climbing a ladder or dropping the boom down to make adjustments. The light meter is builtin to the Cyber Commander. It's the niftiest setup around and AFAICT unique to Buff. The rental studio I work from is a Paul C Buff shop, very handily. They have a ton of modifiers that I don't, like 4x8' softboxes, 7' silver umbrella, 5' octas, more barn doors and gels, etc. And more lights. Second last shoot I needed five lights so I used my four and rented one. If you want to start small I would recommend you get one of their CyberBees. LED modelling lamp also works for video. Very cost-effective. Modifiers can be sourced on eBay if you really want to save money. Anything that fits Balcar or Alien Bees will work. BTW, I now and then use my gear at home in the family room as a makeshift studio for headshots and portraits. You don't need to get fancy to have a "studio". One light, a hunk of 5' wide seamless taped to the wall, a DIY reflector (foamcore or styofoam insulation from the big box hardware store). My local studio gives me seamless paper when the roll hits 12 feet left because it's no use to him then. (Needs to be enough to create a sweep.) On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:21 PM, John wrote: > And indeed, another Earthlink Email was rejected by "spameatingmonkey". > > Second attempt: > > On 6/10/2018 21:32, Bruce Walker wrote: > >> John, assuming you mean "what options do you have for using his gear >> during the course", your Pentax gear will work just fine with the >> Profoto kit, fully manual operation only. >> > > I already figured out the xTTL only works with the dedicated controller. > I'm not looking for xTTL, just a way to remotely change power levels > independently. > >> >> HSS has its uses like overpowering the sun outdoors, but I'm okay with >> using an ND filter instead. >> >> If you are looking for gear recommendation for you to buy afterward, I >> have opinions there too. :-) >> > > I would like the option of HSS. > > I was kind of looking for ideas on what those shooting in studio with Pentax > are using. Right now, it's really idle curiosity, because I don't know if > I'll ever be able to set up a studio. > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, John wrote: >>> I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using >>> Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if >>> you're >>> a Nikon or Canon shooter. >>> >>> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 >>> >>> But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
And indeed, another Earthlink Email was rejected by "spameatingmonkey". Second attempt: On 6/10/2018 21:32, Bruce Walker wrote: > John, assuming you mean "what options do you have for using his gear > during the course", your Pentax gear will work just fine with the > Profoto kit, fully manual operation only. > I already figured out the xTTL only works with the dedicated controller. I'm not looking for xTTL, just a way to remotely change power levels independently. > > HSS has its uses like overpowering the sun outdoors, but I'm okay with > using an ND filter instead. > > If you are looking for gear recommendation for you to buy afterward, I > have opinions there too. :-) > I would like the option of HSS. I was kind of looking for ideas on what those shooting in studio with Pentax are using. Right now, it's really idle curiosity, because I don't know if I'll ever be able to set up a studio. > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, John wrote: >> I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using >> Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're >> a Nikon or Canon shooter. >> >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 >> >> But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
I did learn something new today. The Sekonic L-408 Multimaster can meter reflected light flash using the spot meter function. Tony was demonstrating how to control the color of light on a background, but the function only worked if you could first set the background light so it was three stops down from the main light & it wouldn't work with an incident reading (don't know why; that's what he was saying). He was saying that only a few select meters are capable of taking reflected readings from flash; mainly one VERY EXPENSIVE Sekonic meter. ... and as it turns out the L-408 Multimaster. On 6/11/2018 02:16, Paul Sorenson wrote: Oops...that should have been L- 308S not 3085 On 6/11/2018 1:11 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: I'm with Larry. When I had a working studio I used White Lightnings. Now I have a set of Alien Bees for the occasions when I need studio lighting. They're relatively inexpensive, provide consistent light output and are adjustable over seven stops. Paired with an incident light meter they're all you need with today's DSLRs. I have a Shepherd Polaris meter - cheap but works well - though it's not available new anymore. The Sekonic L-3085-U looks so surprisingly like the Polaris that I wonder if Sekonic bought out Polaris. It measures both incident and reflected light for strobe and ambient light. -p On 6/10/2018 7:48 PM, John wrote: I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're a Nikon or Canon shooter. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
Oops...that should have been L- 308S not 3085 On 6/11/2018 1:11 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: I'm with Larry. When I had a working studio I used White Lightnings. Now I have a set of Alien Bees for the occasions when I need studio lighting. They're relatively inexpensive, provide consistent light output and are adjustable over seven stops. Paired with an incident light meter they're all you need with today's DSLRs. I have a Shepherd Polaris meter - cheap but works well - though it's not available new anymore. The Sekonic L-3085-U looks so surprisingly like the Polaris that I wonder if Sekonic bought out Polaris. It measures both incident and reflected light for strobe and ambient light. -p On 6/10/2018 7:48 PM, John wrote: I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're a Nikon or Canon shooter. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
I'm with Larry. When I had a working studio I used White Lightnings. Now I have a set of Alien Bees for the occasions when I need studio lighting. They're relatively inexpensive, provide consistent light output and are adjustable over seven stops. Paired with an incident light meter they're all you need with today's DSLRs. I have a Shepherd Polaris meter - cheap but works well - though it's not available new anymore. The Sekonic L-3085-U looks so surprisingly like the Polaris that I wonder if Sekonic bought out Polaris. It measures both incident and reflected light for strobe and ambient light. -p On 6/10/2018 7:48 PM, John wrote: I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're a Nikon or Canon shooter. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
The Godox AD600 works well with my Pentax gear and can provide HSS with the right additional jiggery pokery. On 11 June 2018 at 12:05, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 08:56 PM 6/10/2018, Larry Colen wrote: > >>For me, any auto exposure on studio strobes is useless. > > I agree with Larry, but I use off-camera strobes a lot more in the field than > indoors. I have a pair of Vivitar 283s (the original Japanese model) modded > for 5 VDC on the hot shoe (so they won't fry my wireless triggers) and with a > 12-position manual duration setting in place of the sensor. > > Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer, > now Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm walking- > around lens or SMC Pentax-A 50mm/f2 lens > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
At 08:56 PM 6/10/2018, Larry Colen wrote: >For me, any auto exposure on studio strobes is useless. I agree with Larry, but I use off-camera strobes a lot more in the field than indoors. I have a pair of Vivitar 283s (the original Japanese model) modded for 5 VDC on the hot shoe (so they won't fry my wireless triggers) and with a 12-position manual duration setting in place of the sensor. Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer, now Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm walking- around lens or SMC Pentax-A 50mm/f2 lens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
John, assuming you mean "what options do you have for using his gear during the course", your Pentax gear will work just fine with the Profoto kit, fully manual operation only. Neither xTTL or HSS features will work but that's 100% okay since Tony Corbell is an old school guy and he teaches flash metering and manual strobe settings. The Air remotes allow manual triggering and full remote control -- on/off, power levels, modelling lamps, etc. -- from your hotshoe. Like Larry, I have no use for xTTL in studio strobes. It relies too much on luck; it meters by reflected light while I believe strongly in measuring incident light; and subject movement within the studio space can alter the results. HSS has its uses like overpowering the sun outdoors, but I'm okay with using an ND filter instead. If you are looking for gear recommendation for you to buy afterward, I have opinions there too. :-) On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, John wrote: > I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using > Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're > a Nikon or Canon shooter. > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 > > But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studio Strobes for Pentax
John wrote on 6/10/18 5:48 PM: I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're a Nikon or Canon shooter. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? I use Paul C Buff white lightning strobes, with manual control. I believe that there are radio remotes for the einsteins. https://www.paulcbuff.com/Remotes/ For me, any auto exposure on studio strobes is useless. In theory the top of the line yongnuo speedlights have remote level control, but in practice they die after about a month, unless they've improved a newer version. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Studio Strobes for Pentax
I'm taking a class on lighting this week with Tony Corbell. He's using Profoto Air TTL and the Profoto strobes (A1, B1, B1X & D1). Great if you're a Nikon or Canon shooter. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Profoto/ci/7757/N/4232859328 But what options are there if you're a Pentax shooter like me? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
