Re: Why older lenses are often better than new ones : WAS: RE: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
I agree JC, but then there's also a big part of they way things are manufactured in our era. Sad, for sure but IMO selling lenses now for DAs would be (speaking for me) more about selling F/FA/A which are not that well on a build quality POV rather than selling e.g. my K30/2.8. But selling my F35-70, F28/2.8... why not. 2007/2/11, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I forgot to mention this on some of the earlier threads concerning old vs new lenses. One of the reasons why many of the early pentax lenses ( late screwmounts and early K/M) mounts are so damn good is due to sample to sample variations ( or lack thereof! ). Not only was the build quality higher throughout the entire lens lineup, but along with it came better MFG quality and quality control. It doesnt matter if you have the worlds latest and greatest optical designs if you cant build them consistantly. Does anybody remember the special feature the Honeywell Pentax screwmount lenses had in this regard? ( this isnt a question I need answered, this is a quiz to the listers!). JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX Igor Roshchin wrote: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor Sample variation, almost entirely. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Thanks for the replies. I'll forward them along. On 2/8/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Igor Roshchin wrote: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor Sample variation, almost entirely. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Why older lenses are often better than new ones : WAS: RE: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
I forgot to mention this on some of the earlier threads concerning old vs new lenses. One of the reasons why many of the early pentax lenses ( late screwmounts and early K/M) mounts are so damn good is due to sample to sample variations ( or lack thereof! ). Not only was the build quality higher throughout the entire lens lineup, but along with it came better MFG quality and quality control. It doesnt matter if you have the worlds latest and greatest optical designs if you cant build them consistantly. Does anybody remember the special feature the Honeywell Pentax screwmount lenses had in this regard? ( this isnt a question I need answered, this is a quiz to the listers!). JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX Igor Roshchin wrote: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor Sample variation, almost entirely. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam Igor Roshchin wrote: Scott, As Adam, I have the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AT-X Pro in Pentax AF mount. I've been using it since late 1997. It has been a great lense on my ZX-5n. I've been more than happy with it for all these years. I am yet to make an opinion how it works with *istDS. I am not sure if it renders as sharply, but I have never took time to check if that's my perception or the fact. Also, if it is a fact, it may also be due to something that happened to the lens over the time, as I haven't tried it on the film body recently. AFAIK, after this lens, Tokina had two (or maybe even 3) versions: one or two 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8. 28-80 is from their ATX-Pro line (which usually consists of their best, optically and by the build, lenses). I heard some good references about that one as well. I am not sure about the newer 28-70. I know that at least one version of it is ATX-Pro. (still listed in Tokina web-site archive at http://thkphoto.com/products/tokina/tokina-03.html ). They may have been a non-ATX-Pro version. I remember that somebody on this list or some other forum had mentioned that he was not fully satisfied with the newer 28-70/2.8, and it was the one that was newer version than mine, but I don't remember which one. I hope somebody will clarify this for you. I hope I haven't confused you. Igor PS. I also have Tokina 19-35/3.5-4.5, which is not as good (and 20-35/2.8 ATX-Pro is much better, as I heard), but still a very reasonable performer. So, I have much better confidence in Tokina lenses then in any other 3-party brands, even though Sigma and Tamron have some very good lenses as well. Also: I am not sure if it is universal, but those ATX-Pro lenses that I saw had metal barrels, so they were heavier. Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? I've got the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AT-X Pro in AF Nikon mount (the first AF version), the one she's looking at would likely be newer than the one I have. Good lens, but I'd rather have the Tamron 28-75 (which I miss) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? If it's as good as the later one, it's a good lens. I've got one with the 77mm filter threads in Pentax KAF mount and have been well satisfied with it. It's very good glass. Not only that, my dealings with Tokina make me a more than satisfied customer. The short version ... I dropped the lens and damaged the zoom ring. I contacted Tokina about repairing it because I didn't know if they would ship to an APO address and I was about to deploy to Iraq. They said yes, so I sent it in. I enclosed a letter explaining: 1. I bought the lens second hand from KEH. 2. It was damaged when I dropped it. 3. I expected to pay for the repair since it was my fault. 4. APO and email addresses so they could send me the bill. They repaired it and shipped it back to me under warranty; at no cost to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Scott, As Adam, I have the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AT-X Pro in Pentax AF mount. I've been using it since late 1997. It has been a great lense on my ZX-5n. I've been more than happy with it for all these years. I am yet to make an opinion how it works with *istDS. I am not sure if it renders as sharply, but I have never took time to check if that's my perception or the fact. Also, if it is a fact, it may also be due to something that happened to the lens over the time, as I haven't tried it on the film body recently. AFAIK, after this lens, Tokina had two (or maybe even 3) versions: one or two 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8. 28-80 is from their ATX-Pro line (which usually consists of their best, optically and by the build, lenses). I heard some good references about that one as well. I am not sure about the newer 28-70. I know that at least one version of it is ATX-Pro. (still listed in Tokina web-site archive at http://thkphoto.com/products/tokina/tokina-03.html ). They may have been a non-ATX-Pro version. I remember that somebody on this list or some other forum had mentioned that he was not fully satisfied with the newer 28-70/2.8, and it was the one that was newer version than mine, but I don't remember which one. I hope somebody will clarify this for you. I hope I haven't confused you. Igor PS. I also have Tokina 19-35/3.5-4.5, which is not as good (and 20-35/2.8 ATX-Pro is much better, as I heard), but still a very reasonable performer. So, I have much better confidence in Tokina lenses then in any other 3-party brands, even though Sigma and Tamron have some very good lenses as well. Also: I am not sure if it is universal, but those ATX-Pro lenses that I saw had metal barrels, so they were heavier. Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Tokina had two (or maybe even 3) versions: one or two 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8. 28-80 is from their ATX-Pro line (which usually consists of their best, optically and by the build, lenses). I heard some good references about that one as well. - I've got that one--the AT-X Pro AF 28-80 F2.8. It is a very sharp lens, though you can get it to flare. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
