Re: Why LR 4?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: David J Brooks > >> I upgraded for the free beer, >> >> Dave > > > I dunno. My life experience so far suggests that "free beer" is usually > worth somewhat less than what you pay for it. You never saw my cooler at GFM.:-) When i can buy 3 cases of beer down there for what i pay for one up here, i bought lots.:-) Dave > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >>> I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing >>> abilities. I've been very happy with it. >>> >>> Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. >>> Am I missing something? >> >> I upgraded for the free beer, > > How did you download it? I clicked on 'send the box'. Dave Dave > > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
On 4/2/2012 1:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. I've been very happy with it. Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am I missing something? I upgraded for the free beer, Considering what Adobe charges that better be good beer. Dave Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
From: David J Brooks I upgraded for the free beer, Dave I dunno. My life experience so far suggests that "free beer" is usually worth somewhat less than what you pay for it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Why LR 4? On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. I've been very happy with it. Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am I missing something? I upgraded for the free beer, How did you download it? He just tapped it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
on 2012-04-01 18:46 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote Image processing improvements is one of the things that drive my computer hardware updates. It's why I bought new computers and displays in 2011, my 2006 generation systems were no longer capable enough. It's part of the costs of doing photography, far as I'm concerned. i agree, if you are committed to keeping up with digital photography, you also need to keep up with software; the balance can vary, though — i've put a lot more into the computer than the camera, because i see an efficient workflow as a path to developing my shooting skills (it lubricates the process of reviewing my own work), whereas i still get pretty good images from my five year old camera and 20-30 year old lenses; the computer also helps with a lot of other things i do, so i guess i get more incremental usefulness for my money from the computer there are other paths that are valid — working with older computers can be very inexpensive, and it imposes a bit of discipline, i suppose as for why LR4 for me, it's because it promises better exposure tools than Aperture, and it will make a good test of workflow possibilities compared to Aperture; i've barely started with it (LR4.1RC), but so far i'm not thrilled with the interface, for example it lacks a tabular list view (looks like i'll have to buy a plug-in for that) and it can't even show its preferences window without disabling full screen on 2nd display -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. >> I've been very happy with it. >> >> Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am >> I missing something? > > I upgraded for the free beer, How did you download it? -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. > I've been very happy with it. > > Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am > I missing something? I upgraded for the free beer, Dave > > Rick > > > http://photo.net/photos/RickW > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
I’m unconvinced on the new develop model controls being much of an improvement. But I definitely have the impression that my pictures look better in the new process. -T On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > for me: > > - another huge gain in raw processor quality > - simpler, more logical image adjustment controls > - selective area edits with more options > - much better video handling, including some editing > - much better slide show module > - GPS integration (although i rarely use it, it's nice with the iPhone > and iPad images) > - book production module built in to work with Blurb > > and of course, support for the latest cameras in native raw formats. > works for me. > > G > > > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. >> I've been very happy with it. >> >> Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am >> I missing something? >> >> Rick >> >> >> http://photo.net/photos/RickW >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
Image processing improvements is one of the things that drive my computer hardware updates. It's why I bought new computers and displays in 2011, my 2006 generation systems were no longer capable enough. It's part of the costs of doing photography, far as I'm concerned. G On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David Parsons wrote: > For me, it'll require that I upgrade my computer to Windows 7. Which > also means a new computer, since my current computers aren't capable > of running x64. It's an expensive upgrade for mapping, blurb and > processing improvements. > > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> Rick Womer wrote: >> >>>I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. >>>I've been very happy with it. >>> >>>Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am >>>I missing something? >> >> I've looked at it and decided to pass. I'll do the every-other-version >> routine for Lightroom upgrades. >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > David Parsons Photography > http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com > > Aloha Photographer Photoblog > http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
For me, it'll require that I upgrade my computer to Windows 7. Which also means a new computer, since my current computers aren't capable of running x64. It's an expensive upgrade for mapping, blurb and processing improvements. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Rick Womer wrote: > >>I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. >>I've been very happy with it. >> >>Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am >>I missing something? > > I've looked at it and decided to pass. I'll do the every-other-version > routine for Lightroom upgrades. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
Disclaimer: my comments are based on the first beta release of LR4. I was excited by the inclusion of not only a good linkage to a book publisher, but as a bonus it links to Blurb with which I have been quite pleased. The obvious advantages of having such a linkage built into LR itself are twofold. First, it obviates the tedious step of exporting files which then need to be "imported" into Blurb's BookSmart software. Second, on a related note, it leaves the file re-sizing/optimization job to be done within LR which presumably is at least as good as the BookSmart software. For me, the big DISadvantages of the Book module in LR4 [as presented in the beta version] are also twofold. First, it is neigh on to impossible to make quick edits to one of the included page templates. Changes are accomplished in the Print module, with the result exported as a JPEG, which is then re-imported into LR4. The whole process is quite bizarre in my opinion; however, if you are comfortable with the provided templates, then this is not an issue. The second disadvantage/limitation is that the LR4 version of an interface to Blurb restricts you to the "higher quality" paper which a) is heavier; b) more expensive; c) not any more attractive IMHO; and d) limits the number of pages you can include in your book. Again, my comments may be OBE. After playing quite a bit with the first release I have not looked at any subsequent releases including the 4.0 or 4.1 commercial releases. But I have tracked comments on the official discussion site and haven't seen anything to indicate that my concerns (shared by many others) have been addressed. So my bottom line is that I would not upgrade to LR4 in order to use the Book module. There probably are other good, even compelling, reasons to upgrade, but Book ain't it. BookSmart does a decent job and Blurb has been proactive in making improvements; Adobe hasn't come close to matching the functionality of BookSmart, so far. stan On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > Lightroom 4 looks good to me: highlight/shadow recovery-a good plus, the > blurb book software, and extended video support, and for $79, pretty good. > I'll probably go for it come summer. Did you watch the videos, Rick? > Cheers, Christine > > > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > >> I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. >> I've been very happy with it. >> >> Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am >> I missing something? >> >> Rick >> >> >> http://photo.net/photos/RickW >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
for me: - another huge gain in raw processor quality - simpler, more logical image adjustment controls - selective area edits with more options - much better video handling, including some editing - much better slide show module - GPS integration (although i rarely use it, it's nice with the iPhone and iPad images) - book production module built in to work with Blurb and of course, support for the latest cameras in native raw formats. works for me. G On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. > I've been very happy with it. > > Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am > I missing something? > > Rick > > > http://photo.net/photos/RickW > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
Rick Womer wrote: >I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. >I've been very happy with it. > >Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am I >missing something? I've looked at it and decided to pass. I'll do the every-other-version routine for Lightroom upgrades. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
Lightroom 4 looks good to me: highlight/shadow recovery-a good plus, the blurb book software, and extended video support, and for $79, pretty good. I'll probably go for it come summer. Did you watch the videos, Rick? Cheers, Christine On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. > I've been very happy with it. > > Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am > I missing something? > > Rick > > > http://photo.net/photos/RickW > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
Rick Womer wrote: > I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing > abilities. I've been very happy with it. > Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything > compelling. Am I missing something? Hard to tell. People are compelled by different things. :-) Personally I really like the increased number of levers available to Gradients and Adjustment Brush. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Rick Womer wrote: > >Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am I >missing something? There are several 'nice to haves' but the new feature that really does it for me is the MAP module, that integrates GPS (geo tagging) very nicely into Lightroom, using a Google-maps driven map. Since I have been using the O-GPS1 device on the K5 since it came out last year, that is quite useful for me ... Furthermore the '2012' process seems a bit easier to work with, less sliders, less confusion and very good control over hightlights and shadows. And the upgrade is reasonably priced IMHO ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why LR 4?
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. > I've been very happy with it. > > Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am > I missing something? It's a new process (PV2012). It's hard to tell if it's compelling or not unless you try it. I find it to do way better than PV2010 in scenes with extreme dynamic range, holding detail in clouds, pulling up shadows without artifacts, etc. You get a 30-day free trial, so why not see how if does on your challenging pictures? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Why LR 4?
I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities. I've been very happy with it. Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling. Am I missing something? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
