Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On the other hand, the sharpest of you in the PDML could apply for the recent opening on the Board of Directors at Apple. The sharpest of the PDML, are probably smart enough to avoid trying. I'm stupid enough to give it a go but I'll only do it if I don't have to start playing golf. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
On 7 Oct 2011, at 07:52, David Mann wrote: On the other hand, the sharpest of you in the PDML could apply for the recent opening on the Board of Directors at Apple. The sharpest of the PDML, are probably smart enough to avoid trying. I'm stupid enough to give it a go but I'll only do it if I don't have to start playing golf. ..and you'd want at least twice the wages... Paul Paul Dunderdale dund...@mcb.net pauldunderd...@mac.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: When the Mac came out, at work we had a variety of computers, each with a different keyboard, with the backspace key in a different spot on every one of them. However, on every one of them, CTRL-H would work as backspace. Sometime around '84 or '85 I was throwing a party, and having heard of the wonderful things you could do with a Mac, I wanted to write up the invitation on it, using the fancy fonts and all of those good things. That evening was probably my most unpleasant computer user interface experience ever. The software was completely counter intuitive, the keyboard didn't even have a control key, and when I did print out the invitations, using the fancy font, they looked pretty crappy. The very first time I ever touched a Mac was during high school. Probably 89 or 90. My previous computer experience included a VIC-20, Apple IIe machines in junior high, and PCs (we had a PC at home). The computers available to me at school were all in the library. There were probably 20 or 30 PCs and half as many Macs. I don't recall which ones specifically, but they were one of the beige toaster varieties. I needed to edit a text file, so I carried the 3.5 inch floppy disk to the library only to find that all of the PCs were taken. Surprisingly, none of the Macs were in use. I sat down at one, inserted the disk and with a little fumbling, found a text editor. After finishing up I reached for the (non-existent) eject button. Then I started digging through the menus. I spent more time trying to get my disk back than it took to edit the file. The librarian's expertise was required to remove the disk. I watched in horror as she dragged it to the little picture of a trash can. I didn't touch a Mac again until OS X was released. That said, Their influence on UI design over the last 10 years or so is unmistakeable. I doubt my little Android device or Gnome desktop would be nearly as useable/pretty were it not for the folks at Apple. -- Scott Loveless Camp Hill, PA USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
On Oct 5, 2011, at 20:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: When he stepped down from the CEO spot, I expected him to suffer from a long lingering illness, I guess he'd already been through the long lingering part. On 10/5/2011 8:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/hold-hold-steve-jobs-dead/3317496 I think Apple will miss him greatly. In my mind, the rollout yesterday (Tuesday) of the new iPhone that was NOT the iPhone 5 felt like the air being let out of the company's futuristic technicality. Then the next day Steve dies! Something going on there in the corporate Karma department. On the other hand, the sharpest of you in the PDML could apply for the recent opening on the Board of Directors at Apple. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
On 10/6/2011 12:04 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Oct 5, 2011, at 20:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: When he stepped down from the CEO spot, I expected him to suffer from a long lingering illness, I guess he'd already been through the long lingering part. On 10/5/2011 8:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/hold-hold-steve-jobs-dead/3317496 I think Apple will miss him greatly. In my mind, the rollout yesterday (Tuesday) of the new iPhone that was NOT the iPhone 5 felt like the air being let out of the company's futuristic technicality. Then the next day Steve dies! Something going on there in the corporate Karma department. It seems that what Apple has always demonstrated was the difference between products that were designed to please one person in particular, and products designed by a committee that were designed to offend as few people as possible. Love them, or hate them, you had strong feelings about them. I don't think that I have ever used an Apple II. When I was in high school the only computers anyone I knew had were TRS-80s and Commodore Pets. Most of my actual computer experience was on the PDP-8s at UCSC. I think that the Apple II came out when I was at college and had other things to occupy my time, such as an Engineering degree, my first sports cars (Sprites) and my first real girlfriends. When the Mac came out, at work we had a variety of computers, each with a different keyboard, with the backspace key in a different spot on every one of them. However, on every one of them, CTRL-H would work as backspace. Sometime around '84 or '85 I was throwing a party, and having heard of the wonderful things you could do with a Mac, I wanted to write up the invitation on it, using the fancy fonts and all of those good things. That evening was probably my most unpleasant computer user interface experience ever. The software was completely counter intuitive, the keyboard didn't even have a control key, and when I did print out the invitations, using the fancy font, they looked pretty crappy. It seemed to me that until about the time that OSX came out, MacOS kept just a couple years ahead of the software required to run it comfortably. When I had a laptop stolen from my home, as long as State Farm was buying a functional equivalent, I decided to have them buy me a 12G4 powerbook, rather than another super portable Linux box. There were many things that I absolutely loved, and still do, about that computer, and quite a few that drove me to distraction with frustration. The things that worked, just worked. The things that didn't work for me, never would. The gui is still bizarre in many ways, but at least you can call up a terminal and get to a bash prompt, for when you need to get real work done. And, I'll give them this, at least the gui is consistent. Once you know how to do some basic things in one program, they'll pretty much work the same anyplace else. Which is a good thing, because the macintologist party line that everything is blissfully intuitive is reflected by documentation that seems to set industry standards for uselessness. I've been using a mac for my primary photography, and then web browsing, computer for nearly four years, and have gotten to know the UI well enough to feel that the only thing worse than the UI on the Mac is the UI on everything else. It seems that every time I upgrade a linux box, they throw more bells and whistle in the gui making it flashier, prettier and harder to actually get anything done. I'm currently working on an XP box, and it's sole redeeming feature is that it's actually possible to correct many of it's faults by downloading various third party programs. I think that history will most remember Jobs for the iOS family of devices. He created new markets by making the company build toys that he wanted to play with. If you shared his aesthetic, they were technological perfection incarnate. If you just wanted shiny toys, that did cool things, they were slick, pretty, and were easy to make do cool things. He understood that giving people choices made products harder to learn, harder to support, and would cause people's brains to freeze in indecision. Apple was not the first company to rise to greatness on the vision of one, or two people. Honda, Ferrari and HP immediately come to my mind And while those companies survived the loss of the guiding vision at the top, I'm afraid that Apple will also lose a lot of what made it special. On the other hand, the sharpest of you in the PDML could apply for the recent opening on the Board of Directors at Apple. The sharpest of the PDML, are probably smart enough to avoid trying. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On 10/6/2011 12:04 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Oct 5, 2011, at 20:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: When he stepped down from the CEO spot, I expected him to suffer from a long lingering illness, I guess he'd already been through the long lingering part. On 10/5/2011 8:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/hold-hold-steve-jobs-dead/3317496 I think Apple will miss him greatly. In my mind, the rollout yesterday (Tuesday) of the new iPhone that was NOT the iPhone 5 felt like the air being let out of the company's futuristic technicality. Then the next day Steve dies! Something going on there in the corporate Karma department. It seems that what Apple has always demonstrated was the difference between products that were designed to please one person in particular, and products designed by a committee that were designed to offend as few people as possible. Love them, or hate them, you had strong feelings about them. ... I think that history will most remember Jobs for the iOS family of devices. He created new markets by making the company build toys that he wanted to play with. If you shared his aesthetic, they were technological perfection incarnate. If you just wanted shiny toys, that did cool things, they were slick, pretty, and were easy to make do cool things. He understood that giving people choices made products harder to learn, harder to support, and would cause people's brains to freeze in indecision. Four things WRT Steve Jobs and computers: 1. Operationilizing the concept of personal computers; 2. Taking the Xerox PARC notion of a GUI and making it work; 3. The switch from OS-9 to OS-X (which oh-by-the-way also paved the way for the iOS); 4. Well designed usable transportable laptops. The ancillary stuff, like iPods and iPhones, are nice gadgets that I enjoy as consumer and stockholder, and they reflect his passion for design esthetics, but I think his computer influence is far more fundamental and I hope that is what history and the common man will recognize. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
Actually, I think #1 was Steve Wozniak. He's the one that always impressed me. Steve Jobs was the developer, the money guy, the business guy. And, yes, a guy with vision. But Steve W. was the really impressive hardware guy. (Which also may be the case for many of those other things you mention, i.e. the person actually behind them was someone else.) Just my .02 cents. Marnie In a message dated 10/6/2011 7:33:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s...@stans-photography.info writes: Four things WRT Steve Jobs and computers: 1. Operationilizing the concept of personal computers; 2. Taking the Xerox PARC notion of a GUI and making it work; 3. The switch from OS-9 to OS-X (which oh-by-the-way also paved the way for the iOS); 4. Well designed usable transportable laptops. The ancillary stuff, like iPods and iPhones, are nice gadgets that I enjoy as consumer and stockholder, and they reflect his passion for design esthetics, but I think his computer influence is far more fundamental and I hope that is what history and the common man will recognize. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11-10-06 10:33 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Four things WRT Steve Jobs and computers: 1. Operationilizing the concept of personal computers; 2. Taking the Xerox PARC notion of a GUI and making it work; 3. The switch from OS-9 to OS-X (which oh-by-the-way also paved the way for the iOS); 4. Well designed usable transportable laptops. The ancillary stuff, like iPods and iPhones, are nice gadgets that I enjoy as consumer and stockholder, and they reflect his passion for design esthetics, but I think his computer influence is far more fundamental and I hope that is what history and the common man will recognize. stan Stan, you are failing to appreciate the fundamental role that the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad play in the story of computers. They represent an important evolution in the gradual appliance-ization of personal computers. Most high technology goes through stages where it's expensive and complex and only for enthusiasts at the beginning, then eventually becomes pretty-much turnkey and a no-brainer for everyone. The car for instance. The iPhone is really a tiny personal computer that just happens to also have mobile phone technology built in to it. The iPod Touch is a tiny personal computer that also makes a good music player. I read all the Steve Jobs obits and what happens to Apple now news on my iPod Touch while having breakfast this morning. So these aren't ancillary stuff, they are a huge part of the future of computers. They should be your point #5. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-10-06 10:33 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Four things WRT Steve Jobs and computers: 1. Operationilizing the concept of personal computers; 2. Taking the Xerox PARC notion of a GUI and making it work; 3. The switch from OS-9 to OS-X (which oh-by-the-way also paved the way for the iOS); 4. Well designed usable transportable laptops. The ancillary stuff, like iPods and iPhones, are nice gadgets that I enjoy as consumer and stockholder, and they reflect his passion for design esthetics, but I think his computer influence is far more fundamental and I hope that is what history and the common man will recognize. stan Stan, you are failing to appreciate the fundamental role that the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad play in the story of computers. They represent an important evolution in the gradual appliance-ization of personal computers. Most high technology goes through stages where it's expensive and complex and only for enthusiasts at the beginning, then eventually becomes pretty-much turnkey and a no-brainer for everyone. The car for instance. The iPhone is really a tiny personal computer that just happens to also have mobile phone technology built in to it. The iPod Touch is a tiny personal computer that also makes a good music player. I read all the Steve Jobs obits and what happens to Apple now news on my iPod Touch while having breakfast this morning. So these aren't ancillary stuff, they are a huge part of the future of computers. They should be your point #5. -bmw I see your point Bruce. Back in the 80's I was involved in designing decision support tools. If I had had an iPad, with GPS functionality as a bonus, and built in cameras . . . I would have thought I had died and gone to heaven. They are very much world changers. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2011-10-06 01:04 Joseph McAllister wrote I think Apple will miss him greatly. people will miss him; though i knew people who worked with him and was intrigued by him, i was not too wrapped up in him, yet the news stunned me it's a fantastic illustration of mortality and even his death was managed carefully In my mind, the rollout yesterday (Tuesday) of the new iPhone that was NOT the iPhone 5 felt like the air being let out of the company's futuristic technicality. if the same phone had been a slightly different shape and called the iPhone 5, it would probably not have been a letdown; what is radical is not bowing to the pressure to make it appear more new than it is; that is a rare design sensibility -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think this is a good overview that puts Steve Jobs' innovations in perspective: http://adage.com/article/digitalnext/forrester-s-josh-bernoff-meaning-steve-jobs/229464/ Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ot Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead
From: Joseph McAllister On Oct 5, 2011, at 20:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: When he stepped down from the CEO spot, I expected him to suffer from a long lingering illness, I guess he'd already been through the long lingering part. On 10/5/2011 8:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/hold-hold-steve-jobs-dead/3317496 I think Apple will miss him greatly. In my mind, the rollout yesterday (Tuesday) of the new iPhone that was NOT the iPhone 5 felt like the air being let out of the company's futuristic technicality. Then the next day Steve dies! Something going on there in the corporate Karma department. On the other hand, the sharpest of you in the PDML could apply for the recent opening on the Board of Directors at Apple. They tried to put on a Steve Jobs show without Steve Jobs, and it's just not the same. The new guy is going to have to find his own metaphor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2011-10-06 11:11 John Sessoms wrote They tried to put on a Steve Jobs show without Steve Jobs, and it's just not the same. The new guy is going to have to find his own metaphor. i didn't watch the event, but having read several accounts i suspect Tim Cook knew that Jobs was on his deathbed and that made it hard to put on a press event -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/hold-hold-steve-jobs-dead/3317496 -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When he stepped down from the CEO spot, I expected him to suffer from a long lingering illness, I guess he'd already been through the long lingering part. On 10/5/2011 8:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dead http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/hold-hold-steve-jobs-dead/3317496 -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
