Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-02 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/1/2005 9:10:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The srbg and numbers is a profile for your specific monitor.  
 Probably a
 default one if you have never run Adobe Gamma.

I'd say it's more likely to be:
sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Which is more commonly known as sRGB :)

- Dave
===
Alrighty. When I reran Adobe Gamma recently, it pulled up sRBG 
somethingsomething as my default ic file (ic? icc?). My default profile. I just 
changed 
monitors, so it no longer pulled up the HP file I had previously.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:00:10PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ann Sanfedele 
 Subject: srbg to Adobe RGB ?
 
 
 
 The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
 I screwed? or is there
 a way I can take that tif and translate it into
 Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
 
 Edit/ Convert to Profile.
 The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
 
 Hopefully, Elements has that.
 
 William Robb
 

Sort of.  First of all, you have to have turned on full colour management.
Once you've done that you'll get an option to select the colour space as
part of the Save As dialog box.



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
John Francis wrote:
 
 On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:00:10PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Ann Sanfedele
  Subject: srbg to Adobe RGB ?
 
 
 
  The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
  I screwed? or is there
  a way I can take that tif and translate it into
  Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
 
  Edit/ Convert to Profile.
  The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
 
  Hopefully, Elements has that.
 
  William Robb
 
 
 Sort of.  First of all, you have to have turned on full colour management.
 Once you've done that you'll get an option to select the colour space as
 part of the Save As dialog box.

I have full color management checked. 
when I get into the save as dialog box, the 
ICC profile is checked.  with the image in
question,
it shows srbg (with a bunch of numbers after that)

except for images from this one cd, it tells me it
is Adobe RGB.

I have elements 2.0

ann the perplexed



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:37:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:
I have full color management checked. 
when I get into the save as dialog box, the 
ICC profile is checked.  with the image in
question,
it shows srbg (with a bunch of numbers after that)

except for images from this one cd, it tells me it
is Adobe RGB.

I have elements 2.0

ann the perplexed
==
The srbg and numbers is a profile for your specific monitor. Probably a 
default one if you have never run Adobe Gamma.

Marnie



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 05:42:53AM -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 John Francis wrote:
  
  On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:00:10PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Ann Sanfedele
   Subject: srbg to Adobe RGB ?
  
  
  
   The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
   I screwed? or is there
   a way I can take that tif and translate it into
   Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
  
   Edit/ Convert to Profile.
   The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
  
   Hopefully, Elements has that.
  
   William Robb
  
  
  Sort of.  First of all, you have to have turned on full colour management.
  Once you've done that you'll get an option to select the colour space as
  part of the Save As dialog box.
 
 I have full color management checked. 
 when I get into the save as dialog box, the 
 ICC profile is checked.  with the image in
 question,
 it shows srbg (with a bunch of numbers after that)
 
 except for images from this one cd, it tells me it
 is Adobe RGB.
 
 I have elements 2.0

Ah.  I have 3.0 (mainly for the RAW converter)



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:37:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 writes:
 I have full color management checked.
 when I get into the save as dialog box, the
 ICC profile is checked.  with the image in
 question,
 it shows srbg (with a bunch of numbers after that)
 
 except for images from this one cd, it tells me it
 is Adobe RGB.
 
 I have elements 2.0
 
 ann the perplexed
 ==
 The srbg and numbers is a profile for your specific monitor. Probably a
 default one if you have never run Adobe Gamma.
 
 Marnie

Actually, this turns out not to be the problem.
my default is Adobe 98 RBG - the file was from
a cd produced after I loaded images that were not
recorded in Adobe onto someone elses computer and 
then burned them. 

As it turns out, happily, I can send the image 
alerting the agency that it is srgb and I'll be
ok.
that ws really my only concern.

Best,
ann



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Glen

At 12:00 AM 12/1/2005, William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: srbg to Adobe 
RGB ?





The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
I screwed? or is there
a way I can take that tif and translate it into
Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.


Edit/ Convert to Profile.
The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.

Hopefully, Elements has that.

William Robb


Elements 4 has that. I can convert between Adobe and sRGB without problems.

take care,
Glen



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:16:26PM -0500, Glen wrote:
 At 12:00 AM 12/1/2005, William Robb wrote:
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: srbg to Adobe 
 RGB ?
 
 
 
 The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
 I screwed? or is there
 a way I can take that tif and translate it into
 Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
 
 Edit/ Convert to Profile.
 The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
 
 Hopefully, Elements has that.
 
 William Robb
 
 Elements 4 has that. I can convert between Adobe and sRGB without problems.

Aha!  That's something that might make me consider an upgrade.
Any other cool new features?  The Adobe website isn't that useful.



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Glen

Hi John,

I was upgrading from Elements 2, when I purchased the online version of the 
upgrade direct from Adobe. By the way, that's a very inexpensive way to 
upgrade from an older version of Elements or Photoshop LE. I'm not sure 
what features were in version 3, since I skipped that one. However, 
compared to version 2, version 4 had the following things that had me hooked:


It comes with the latest version of the Adobe CameraRAW plugin, which 
allows you to open and intelligently process Pentax RAW files. This is the 
same plugin that also comes with Photoshop CS2. This single plugin is MUCH 
better than the software that came from Pentax! It was also the largest 
single motivation for me to purchase Elements 4.


Handles Adobe and sRGB profiles and does conversions between them.

Many of the editing operations can be performed on 16-bit images, and you 
can convert a 16-bit image to an 8-bit image. (Bits per color channel, I 
should have said.)


There is an elaborate, companion file browsing and cataloging program, 
called Elements Organizer. This can also display thumbnails of your Pentax 
RAW images, as well as most any other image format. One double-click on a 
thumbnail will enlarge the image for detailed viewing. Of course, you can 
also launch the editor directly from the browser, and the image/s you have 
selected are automatically opened. The browser also displays all the EXIF 
information embedded into any of the images you have. You can also add 
captions, notes, and tags to images. Later, you can search for an image in 
your collection, by searching for a caption or searching the embedded notes 
you created.


Whenever I put my SD card into my SanDisk card reader, Elements 
automatically launches the Adobe Photo Downloader program to retrieve my 
latest Pentax images, and asks me if I want to clear the card after the 
transfer. After they have been transferred to my hard drive, I am presented 
with a thumbnail viewing of all the new files, in Elements Organizer. I can 
double-click on any image for a large view, or I can easily launch the 
Elements editor to edit any file I wish.


There are lots of new features in Elements 4. I would suggest downloading 
the 30-day trial version, as I did. I found that I just couldn't live 
without version 4, since I also have the Pentax *istDS. Elements 4 makes it 
a breeze to work with my Pentax files, compared to the drudgery of Elements 2.


take care,
Glen


At 03:29 PM 12/1/2005, John Francis wrote:


On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:16:26PM -0500, Glen wrote:
 At 12:00 AM 12/1/2005, William Robb wrote:


 - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: srbg to Adobe
 RGB ?
 
 
 
 The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
 I screwed? or is there
 a way I can take that tif and translate it into
 Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
 
 Edit/ Convert to Profile.
 The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
 
 Hopefully, Elements has that.
 
 William Robb

 Elements 4 has that. I can convert between Adobe and sRGB without problems.

Aha!  That's something that might make me consider an upgrade.
Any other cool new features?  The Adobe website isn't that useful.





Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 04:26:46PM -0500, Glen wrote:
 Hi John,
 
 I was upgrading from Elements 2, when I purchased the online version of the 
 upgrade direct from Adobe. By the way, that's a very inexpensive way to 
 upgrade from an older version of Elements or Photoshop LE. I'm not sure 
 what features were in version 3, since I skipped that one. However, 
 compared to version 2, version 4 had the following things that had me 
 hooked:
 
 It comes with the latest version of the Adobe CameraRAW plugin, which 
 allows you to open and intelligently process Pentax RAW files. This is the 
 same plugin that also comes with Photoshop CS2. This single plugin is MUCH 
 better than the software that came from Pentax! It was also the largest 
 single motivation for me to purchase Elements 4.
 
 Handles Adobe and sRGB profiles and does conversions between them.
 
 Many of the editing operations can be performed on 16-bit images, and you 
 can convert a 16-bit image to an 8-bit image. (Bits per color channel, I 
 should have said.)
 
 There is an elaborate, companion file browsing and cataloging program, 
 called Elements Organizer. This can also display thumbnails of your Pentax 
 RAW images, as well as most any other image format. One double-click on a 
 thumbnail will enlarge the image for detailed viewing. Of course, you can 
 also launch the editor directly from the browser, and the image/s you have 
 selected are automatically opened. The browser also displays all the EXIF 
 information embedded into any of the images you have. You can also add 
 captions, notes, and tags to images. Later, you can search for an image in 
 your collection, by searching for a caption or searching the embedded notes 
 you created.
 
 Whenever I put my SD card into my SanDisk card reader, Elements 
 automatically launches the Adobe Photo Downloader program to retrieve my 
 latest Pentax images, and asks me if I want to clear the card after the 
 transfer. After they have been transferred to my hard drive, I am presented 
 with a thumbnail viewing of all the new files, in Elements Organizer. I can 
 double-click on any image for a large view, or I can easily launch the 
 Elements editor to edit any file I wish.

All the above features are already in Elements 3.0   I'm looking for a
list of the differences between 3.0  4, to see if it offers me anything.
I don't need ACR 3.2, or whatever the latest version is; 3.1 (or even 2.3)
works just fine with images from my D
 
 There are lots of new features in Elements 4. I would suggest downloading 
 the 30-day trial version, as I did. I found that I just couldn't live 
 without version 4, since I also have the Pentax *istDS. Elements 4 makes it 
 a breeze to work with my Pentax files, compared to the drudgery of Elements 
 2.
 
 take care,
 Glen
 
 
 At 03:29 PM 12/1/2005, John Francis wrote:
 
 On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:16:26PM -0500, Glen wrote:
  At 12:00 AM 12/1/2005, William Robb wrote:
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: srbg to 
 Adobe
  RGB ?
  
  
  
  The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
  I screwed? or is there
  a way I can take that tif and translate it into
  Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
  
  Edit/ Convert to Profile.
  The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
  
  Hopefully, Elements has that.
  
  William Robb
 
  Elements 4 has that. I can convert between Adobe and sRGB without 
 problems.
 
 Aha!  That's something that might make me consider an upgrade.
 Any other cool new features?  The Adobe website isn't that useful.
 



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread E.R.N. Reed

John Francis wrote:


All the above features are already in Elements 3.0   I'm looking for a
list of the differences between 3.0  4, to see if it offers me anything.
I don't need ACR 3.2, or whatever the latest version is; 3.1 (or even 2.3)
works just fine with images from my D

in any case, if you did want ACR 3.2, you can download it (free) and use 
it with Elements 3.0


ERNR
who has the same question you do, about Elements 3 vs. 4



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

I don't need ACR 3.2, or whatever the latest version is; 3.1 (or  
even 2.3)

works just fine with images from my D


I find that ACR 3.2 improved processing speed and quality over ACR  
3.1, and I expect that ACR 3.3 will do the same over v3.2.


Why wouldn't you want the most recent version?

Godfrey



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:53:34PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:
 
 I don't need ACR 3.2, or whatever the latest version is; 3.1 (or  
 even 2.3)
 works just fine with images from my D
 
 I find that ACR 3.2 improved processing speed and quality over ACR  
 3.1, and I expect that ACR 3.3 will do the same over v3.2.
 
 Why wouldn't you want the most recent version?

As has already been mentioned, I can get and run it with Elements 3,
should I choose to do so.  Were I running CS 2 I probably would get
each new update as it came along, but I didn't see anything listed
in the changes between 3.1 and 3.2 that would affect me; as far as
I could see the new changes weren't in the basic interface available
through Elements, but in the advanced processing only available from
the CS2 interface.



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:00 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:53:34PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:


I don't need ACR 3.2, or whatever the latest version is; 3.1 (or
even 2.3)
works just fine with images from my D


I find that ACR 3.2 improved processing speed and quality over ACR
3.1, and I expect that ACR 3.3 will do the same over v3.2.

Why wouldn't you want the most recent version?


As has already been mentioned, I can get and run it with Elements 3,
should I choose to do so.  Were I running CS 2 I probably would get
each new update as it came along, but I didn't see anything listed
in the changes between 3.1 and 3.2 that would affect me; as far as
I could see the new changes weren't in the basic interface available
through Elements, but in the advanced processing only available from
the CS2 interface.


Improved processing speed and quality would be in the ACR conversion  
code that all modes use, John. It's not a feature so much as an  
developmental enhancement. Most of what they list for the dot-dot  
releases are new features and capabilities, or bug fixes, but  
development continues on performance and quality outside of those  
things.


Godfrey



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread David Mann

On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The srbg and numbers is a profile for your specific monitor.  
Probably a

default one if you have never run Adobe Gamma.


I'd say it's more likely to be:
sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Which is more commonly known as sRGB :)

- Dave



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-12-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Glen wrote:
 
 At 12:00 AM 12/1/2005, William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele Subject: srbg to Adobe
 RGB ?
 
 
 
 The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
 I screwed? or is there
 a way I can take that tif and translate it into
 Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.
 
 Edit/ Convert to Profile.
 The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.
 
 Hopefully, Elements has that.
 
 William Robb
 
 Elements 4 has that. I can convert between Adobe and sRGB without problems.
 
 take care,
 Glen

Guess I'll move up sometime :)
ann



srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-11-30 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I have an image I brought into photoshop elements
to resize and send off to stock.
But when I went to safe the tif it told me it was
in SRGB. 

The file was something saved on a CD of a shot I
took on an old powershot.
I have my newer camera set to shoot in Adobe RGB,
I have Elements set to Adobe
RGB.  But the cf card this image came from was
loaded onto a mac and burned
to a cd for me over a year ago and I eventually
erased the cf card.

The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
I screwed? or is there
a way I can take that tif and translate it into
Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.

help.

ann



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-11-30 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele 
Subject: srbg to Adobe RGB ?





The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
I screwed? or is there
a way I can take that tif and translate it into
Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.


Edit/ Convert to Profile.
The window that opens allows you to covert the image to the new profile.

Hopefully, Elements has that.

William Robb




Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-11-30 Thread David Mann

On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
I screwed? or is there
a way I can take that tif and translate it into
Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.


It's quite easy to do if you have the right software (eg Photoshop).   
One of these utilities might do the trick:

http://www.colorpro.com/info/tools/converters.html

- Dave



Re: srbg to Adobe RGB ?

2005-11-30 Thread graywolf
I do not know if you can do that in Elements (I can not see why not), 
but is is trivial in Photoshop.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---



Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have an image I brought into photoshop elements
to resize and send off to stock.
But when I went to safe the tif it told me it was
in SRGB. 


The file was something saved on a CD of a shot I
took on an old powershot.
I have my newer camera set to shoot in Adobe RGB,
I have Elements set to Adobe
RGB.  But the cf card this image came from was
loaded onto a mac and burned
to a cd for me over a year ago and I eventually
erased the cf card.

The stock stuff I submit has to be Adobe RGB - am
I screwed? or is there
a way I can take that tif and translate it into
Adobe RGB.  I have a sinking feeling that I cant.

help.

ann