Re: those 150s

2004-03-05 Thread Arnold Stark
Hi,

I do not know whether it has been mentioned before, but in one of those 
Pentax lens booklets from the 70s, Pentax claims that the K150/f4 was 
one of the best medium telephotos on the market.

Arnold



Re: those 150s

2004-03-05 Thread Andre Langevin
Hi,

I do not know whether it has been mentioned before, but in one of 
those Pentax lens booklets from the 70s, Pentax claims that the 
K150/f4 was one of the best medium telephotos on the market.

Arnold
In an older Asahi booklet, the Super-Takumar 150mm, probably version 
1, was described as being very good for close-ups (with tubes).  That 
was before the 100/4 bellows came out, so it made sense, then, to 
have such a lens.  Some medium tele lenses were available for that 
purpose from a few makers (Minolta, Novoflex and others).

In a book on macros, the Tokina 200/3.5 was also said to be a good 
performer at close-up distances.

Andre



Re: those 150s

2004-03-04 Thread Familie Scheffler
so you got an exemplar that was produced on monday-morning ... mine was
fine, too

Best
Bernd

original message--

From: Shel Belinkoff
  a.. Subject: Re: those 150s
  b.. Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:29:29 -0800



I'd disagree ... terrible distortion and the long and short
ends, soft at the extremes as well.  It's really more like a
90mm ~ 135mm or so, as far as I'm concerned.

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

 Hi!

 I think a nice alternative to the 150/3.5 or the longer 85-205 zooms
 is the M 75-150/4. I had this lens, used it extensively, and it's an
 excellent performer even wide open, as good as primes. And it's small.
 Only drawback is the push-pull zoom, which is worse for tripod use
 when it can slip.

 Frantisek







Re: those 150s

2004-03-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'd disagree ... terrible distortion and the long and short
ends, soft at the extremes as well.  It's really more like a
90mm ~ 135mm or so, as far as I'm concerned.

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 I think a nice alternative to the 150/3.5 or the longer 85-205 zooms
 is the M 75-150/4. I had this lens, used it extensively, and it's an
 excellent performer even wide open, as good as primes. And it's small.
 Only drawback is the push-pull zoom, which is worse for tripod use
 when it can slip.
 
 Frantisek



Re: those 150s

2004-03-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I don't look
  for ultimate sharpness, as you appear to).
 
 Only relative sharpness.  I can't afford Leicas!

Don't kid yourself ... Leica lenses are not always all
they're reputed to be
 
  What boggles my mind is that you've neither used nor tested
  the M150, yet you denigrate it.  Not a very scientific
  approach, eh.  Try it ... you might be surprised.
 
 I think what I said was essentially that OTHERS had denigrated it, or
 more precisely that others had said that the K150/4 was BETTER.
 If I'd KNOWN the quality of the M150, or I'd had $115 burning a hole
 in my pocket, I wouldn't have bothered to ask.

Actually, you said:

 I'm particularly curious about the
 M150/3.5 as an alternative to hauling 
 an M80-210/4.5 or K135/2.5 (better,
 but bigger) to England next year.

Are you saying that what you wrote isn't what you meant?  I
can understand that ... ;-))

  I prefer deeper hoods anyway.
  The metal hood for the Tak 105/2.8 or the Tak 135/3.5 are
  great alternatives.
 
 That's what I was gonna put on it!  On the value of deep, fixed
 lens hoods at least I agree with you totally.

BTW, have you posted any pics to the pug or to the list? 
Don't recall having seen any.

shel



Re: those 150s

2004-03-02 Thread Andre Langevin
I will also admit to distrusting the M lenses categorically due to their
smaller size, even with plenty of examples that bigger does not
necessarily imply better optical performance.
It seems to me that what Pentax and some other manufacturers have 
tried to do in the 70s (following Olympus) was to make smaller and 
lighter lenses that are AT LEAST ALMOST AS GOOD as their bigger 
couterparts.

I compared the big Takumar 200/3.5 with the M 200/4, taking the same 
photo and checking details in 2700 dpi scans and they showed the same 
resolution and practically the same contrast (maybe a dash better in 
the M lens).  In that case, Pentax has not significantly improved the 
optical quality of these 200mm lenses between the 1960 and 1980 
designs, they have improved their portability.
(The missing link here is the 200/4.  I only know that Modern 
Photography in feb 77 gave the K lens very low corner contrast at all 
apertures.)

I found size an important factor for normal and moderate WA lenses 
when you need ease of use, as in stage photography.  The smaller M 
focussing rings are a pain to use when you have to work fast.  But 
for landscape photography, for example in the mountain, when you have 
all your time after putting that heavy pack-sack besides you, it's 
another matter : smaller lenses are good for your knees!

Andre