Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Jacek, It's great to see interest in bringing back the PDT package. I noticed from the bug that you have not yet signed the Eclipse Foundation CLA. Would you mind doing that at your earliest convenience? Thanks. Mike Milinkovich mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org +1.613.220.3223 > -Original Message- > From: Jacek Pospychała [mailto:jacek.pospych...@gmail.com] > Sent: July-29-13 2:41 PM > To: mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org; PDT Developers > Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution > > I was waiting with this until the end of Kepler release rush and it > looks like the time has come. > There's a bug open against EPP with initial PHP package contribution > to kickstart things: > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=413941 > > Jacek > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Mike Milinkovich > wrote: > > On 03/06/2013 9:48 AM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: > >> > >> Hi Robert, > >> > >> Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice > >> initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org EPP > >> package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The > >> Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. > >> > > > > I am curious about where this conversation went? > > > > ___ > > pdt-dev mailing list > > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Hi all, i'm unexpectedly working on larger project right now which will last until the end of the year, so unfortunately the all-in-one package i've been working on has been discontinued for now. However, if what i've come up with so far helps with the EPP package, feel free to fork it: https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php regards -robert On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: > Jacek, > > It's great to hear that the PHP package will be back. I'd like to help you > with this. > > Greetings, > Kaloyan > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Jacek Pospychała < > jacek.pospych...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I was waiting with this until the end of Kepler release rush and it >> looks like the time has come. >> There's a bug open against EPP with initial PHP package contribution >> to kickstart things: >> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=413941 >> >> Jacek >> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Mike Milinkovich >> wrote: >> > On 03/06/2013 9:48 AM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Robert, >> >> >> >> Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice >> >> initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org >> EPP >> >> package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The >> >> Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. >> >> >> > >> > I am curious about where this conversation went? >> > >> > ___ >> > pdt-dev mailing list >> > pdt-dev@eclipse.org >> > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev >> ___ >> pdt-dev mailing list >> pdt-dev@eclipse.org >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev >> > > > ___ > pdt-dev mailing list > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev > > -- phone +43 676 64 57 240 Zieglergasse 65/6 1070 Vienna Austria twitter.com/pulse00 github.com/pulse00 ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Jacek, It's great to hear that the PHP package will be back. I'd like to help you with this. Greetings, Kaloyan On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Jacek Pospychała < jacek.pospych...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was waiting with this until the end of Kepler release rush and it > looks like the time has come. > There's a bug open against EPP with initial PHP package contribution > to kickstart things: > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=413941 > > Jacek > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Mike Milinkovich > wrote: > > On 03/06/2013 9:48 AM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: > >> > >> Hi Robert, > >> > >> Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice > >> initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org > EPP > >> package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The > >> Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. > >> > > > > I am curious about where this conversation went? > > > > ___ > > pdt-dev mailing list > > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev > ___ > pdt-dev mailing list > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev > ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Wish best success. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Jacek Pospychała < jacek.pospych...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was waiting with this until the end of Kepler release rush and it > looks like the time has come. > There's a bug open against EPP with initial PHP package contribution > to kickstart things: > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=413941 > > Jacek > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Mike Milinkovich > wrote: > > On 03/06/2013 9:48 AM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: > >> > >> Hi Robert, > >> > >> Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice > >> initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org > EPP > >> package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The > >> Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. > >> > > > > I am curious about where this conversation went? > > > > ___ > > pdt-dev mailing list > > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev > ___ > pdt-dev mailing list > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev > ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
I was waiting with this until the end of Kepler release rush and it looks like the time has come. There's a bug open against EPP with initial PHP package contribution to kickstart things: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=413941 Jacek On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Mike Milinkovich wrote: > On 03/06/2013 9:48 AM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: >> >> Hi Robert, >> >> Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice >> initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org EPP >> package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The >> Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. >> > > I am curious about where this conversation went? > > ___ > pdt-dev mailing list > pdt-dev@eclipse.org > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
On 03/06/2013 9:48 AM, Kaloyan Raev wrote: Hi Robert, Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org EPP package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. I am curious about where this conversation went? ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Hi Robert, Having an Eclipse-based PHP all-in-one package is a really nice initiative. However, I agree with Jacek, that if it is an Eclipse.org EPP package, it would have greater chance to be adopted by users. The Eclipse.org download page is a really famous one. Of course, EPP packages are restricted to include only software components developer under Eclipse Foundation, which can be a limitation for the extensions developed outside of Eclipse Foundation. However, this can be easily worked around if all these extensions are registered on the Eclipse Marketplace and the PHP EPP package makes them easily discoverable and promote them to users. If these extensions are open source, then another option (but for the longer term) would be to move them to Eclipse Foundation. What do you think about this? BTW, I successfully downloaded and installed your package on my Ubuntu 13.04. It starts successfully, but suffers from some of the well-known crashes under Linux when working with the Welcome screen. However, this is not a specific issues for your package, but a generic one for Eclipse under Linux. What I miss the most, is how to get started after installation. The welcome screen is still not well-developed and does not give enough guidance. Greetings, Kaloyan On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Robert Gründler wrote: > Hi all, > > that's odd. I've actually made the repository public before writing the > email, and it suddenly was private again... > > > Anyway, it's public now again, i've tested it while being logged out from > github: https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php > > > regards > > > -robert > > > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Milinkovich < > mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: > >> >> Is anyone else getting a 404 on that link? >> >> >> Mike Milinkovich >> +1.613.220.3223 >> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >> >> On 2013-05-30, at 6:43 AM, Robert Gründler wrote: >> >> fyi: I've released the first alpha version of the PHP build: >> https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php >> >> >> I'll try to find some testers for Windows and Linux, as i'm developing on >> OSX and don't have the resources to fully test >> on all platforms. >> >> Any feedback on the featureset of the build would be great. >> >> >> regard >> >> >> -robert >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mike Milinkovich < >> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> As far as I know, it was discontinued because the company which was >>> funding the work decided that it was not where they wanted to put their >>> resources. I've been hoping ever since that someone from the community >>> would step forward to resurrect it. >>> >>> Mike Milinkovich >>> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >>> +1.613.220.3223 >>> *From: *Seva Lapsha >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:27 PM >>> *To: *PDT Developers >>> *Reply To: *PDT Developers >>> *Subject: *Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse >>> distribution >>> >>> Yes, I was wondering why it was discontinued... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Mike Milinkovich < >>> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful >>>> PHP package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. >>>> >>>> Mike Milinkovich >>>> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >>>> +1.613.220.3223 >>>> *From: *Jacek Pospychała >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AM >>>> *To: *PDT Developers >>>> *Reply To: *PDT Developers >>>> *Subject: *[pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse >>>> distribution >>>> >>>> meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Forwarded message -- >>>> From: Jacek Pospychała >>>> Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution >>>> To: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> >>>> hi Robert, >>>> it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed! >>>> If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing please >>>> don't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. >>
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Hi all, that's odd. I've actually made the repository public before writing the email, and it suddenly was private again... Anyway, it's public now again, i've tested it while being logged out from github: https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php regards -robert On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Milinkovich < mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: > > Is anyone else getting a 404 on that link? > > > Mike Milinkovich > +1.613.220.3223 > mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org > > On 2013-05-30, at 6:43 AM, Robert Gründler wrote: > > fyi: I've released the first alpha version of the PHP build: > https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php > > > I'll try to find some testers for Windows and Linux, as i'm developing on > OSX and don't have the resources to fully test > on all platforms. > > Any feedback on the featureset of the build would be great. > > > regard > > > -robert > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mike Milinkovich < > mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: > >> >> As far as I know, it was discontinued because the company which was >> funding the work decided that it was not where they wanted to put their >> resources. I've been hoping ever since that someone from the community >> would step forward to resurrect it. >> >> Mike Milinkovich >> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >> +1.613.220.3223 >> *From: *Seva Lapsha >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:27 PM >> *To: *PDT Developers >> *Reply To: *PDT Developers >> *Subject: *Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse >> distribution >> >> Yes, I was wondering why it was discontinued... >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Mike Milinkovich < >> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful PHP >>> package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. >>> >>> Mike Milinkovich >>> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >>> +1.613.220.3223 >>> *From: *Jacek Pospychała >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AM >>> *To: *PDT Developers >>> *Reply To: *PDT Developers >>> *Subject: *[pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse >>> distribution >>> >>> meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list. >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Jacek Pospychała >>> Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution >>> To: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> hi Robert, >>> it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed! >>> If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing please >>> don't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. >>> >>> From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see Eclipse >>> PHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it has >>> great visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous >>> (e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sad >>> that there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking into >>> packaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's own >>> constraints, but maybe would be interesting to you. >>> >>> Jacek >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler >>> wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the >>> > following conclusions: >>> > >>> > A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to >>> suite >>> > their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the >>> existing >>> > plugins available. >>> > More and more people move over to PHPStorm >>> > >>> > The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons: >>> > >>> > Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working >>> > Better performance >>> > >>> > I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse >>> > distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By >>> > releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked >>> > eclipse.i
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Is anyone else getting a 404 on that link? Mike Milinkovich +1.613.220.3223 mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org On 2013-05-30, at 6:43 AM, Robert Gründler wrote: > fyi: I've released the first alpha version of the PHP build: > https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php > > > I'll try to find some testers for Windows and Linux, as i'm developing on OSX > and don't have the resources to fully test > on all platforms. > > Any feedback on the featureset of the build would be great. > > > regard > > > -robert > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mike Milinkovich > wrote: >> >> As far as I know, it was discontinued because the company which was funding >> the work decided that it was not where they wanted to put their resources. >> I've been hoping ever since that someone from the community would step >> forward to resurrect it. >> >> Mike Milinkovich >> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >> +1.613.220.3223 >> From: Seva Lapsha >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:27 PM >> To: PDT Developers >> Reply To: PDT Developers >> Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution >> >> Yes, I was wondering why it was discontinued... >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Mike Milinkovich >> wrote: >>> >>> As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful PHP >>> package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. >>> >>> Mike Milinkovich >>> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >>> +1.613.220.3223 >>> From: Jacek Pospychała >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AM >>> To: PDT Developers >>> Reply To: PDT Developers >>> Subject: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution >>> >>> meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list. >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Jacek Pospychała >>> Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution >>> To: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> hi Robert, >>> it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed! >>> If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing please >>> don't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. >>> >>> From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see Eclipse >>> PHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it has >>> great visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous >>> (e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sad >>> that there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking into >>> packaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's own >>> constraints, but maybe would be interesting to you. >>> >>> Jacek >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler >>> wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the >>> > following conclusions: >>> > >>> > A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to suite >>> > their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the existing >>> > plugins available. >>> > More and more people move over to PHPStorm >>> > >>> > The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons: >>> > >>> > Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working >>> > Better performance >>> > >>> > I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse >>> > distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By >>> > releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked >>> > eclipse.ini with optimized JVM settings. >>> > >>> > Also, a custom distribution could pre-configure other features to improve >>> > the performance / user experience, for example by disabling useless >>> > validators etc. >>> > >>> > I've therefore started working on a tycho-built eclipse distro based on >>> > the >>> > following features (so far): >>> > >>> > - DLTK 5.0 >>> > - PDT 3.2 >>> > - PDT Extensions
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
fyi: I've released the first alpha version of the PHP build: https://github.com/pulse00/lennard-php I'll try to find some testers for Windows and Linux, as i'm developing on OSX and don't have the resources to fully test on all platforms. Any feedback on the featureset of the build would be great. regard -robert On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mike Milinkovich < mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: > > As far as I know, it was discontinued because the company which was > funding the work decided that it was not where they wanted to put their > resources. I've been hoping ever since that someone from the community > would step forward to resurrect it. > > Mike Milinkovich > mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org > +1.613.220.3223 > *From: *Seva Lapsha > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:27 PM > *To: *PDT Developers > *Reply To: *PDT Developers > *Subject: *Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse > distribution > > Yes, I was wondering why it was discontinued... > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Mike Milinkovich < > mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: > >> >> As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful PHP >> package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. >> >> Mike Milinkovich >> mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org >> +1.613.220.3223 >> *From: *Jacek Pospychała >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AM >> *To: *PDT Developers >> *Reply To: *PDT Developers >> *Subject: *[pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse >> distribution >> >> meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list. >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Jacek Pospychała >> Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution >> To: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> hi Robert, >> it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed! >> If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing please >> don't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. >> >> From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see Eclipse >> PHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it has >> great visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous >> (e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sad >> that there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking into >> packaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's own >> constraints, but maybe would be interesting to you. >> >> Jacek >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler >> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the >> > following conclusions: >> > >> > A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to suite >> > their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the existing >> > plugins available. >> > More and more people move over to PHPStorm >> > >> > The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons: >> > >> > Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working >> > Better performance >> > >> > I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse >> > distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By >> > releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked >> > eclipse.ini with optimized JVM settings. >> > >> > Also, a custom distribution could pre-configure other features to >> improve >> > the performance / user experience, for example by disabling useless >> > validators etc. >> > >> > I've therefore started working on a tycho-built eclipse distro based on >> the >> > following features (so far): >> > >> > - DLTK 5.0 >> > - PDT 3.2 >> > - PDT Extensions Core >> > - Composer Plugin >> > - PHP Tool Integration >> > - MakeGood >> > - Json Editor >> > - Yaml Editor >> > >> > Another reason why a custom distribution would be an advantage is that >> we >> > don't have to rely on patches being applied to the Eclipse >> > runtime, like this one here, which would be a rather great improvement >> for >> > anyone working with webapplications: >> > >> > https://bugs.eclipse
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
As far as I know, it was discontinued because the company which was funding the work decided that it was not where they wanted to put their resources. I've been hoping ever since that someone from the community would step forward to resurrect it. Mike Milinkovichmike.milinkov...@eclipse.org+1.613.220.3223 From: Seva LapshaSent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:27 PMTo: PDT DevelopersReply To: PDT DevelopersSubject: Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distributionYes, I was wondering why it was discontinued...On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful PHP package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. Mike Milinkovichmike.milinkov...@eclipse.org+1.613.220.3223 From: Jacek PospychałaSent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AMTo: PDT DevelopersReply To: PDT Developers Subject: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list.-- Forwarded message --From: Jacek Pospychała <jacek.pospych...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AMSubject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distributionTo: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com hi Robert,it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed!If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing pleasedon't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see EclipsePHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it hasgreat visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous (e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sadthat there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking intopackaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's own constraints, but maybe would be interesting to you.JacekOn Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler <r.gruend...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all,>> after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the> following conclusions:>> A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to suite > their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the existing> plugins available.> More and more people move over to PHPStorm>> The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons: >> Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working> Better performance>> I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse> distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By > releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked> eclipse.ini with optimized JVM settings.>> Also, a custom distribution could pre-configure other features to improve> the performance / user experience, for example by disabling useless > validators etc.>> I've therefore started working on a tycho-built eclipse distro based on the> following features (so far):>> - DLTK 5.0> - PDT 3.2> - PDT Extensions Core > - Composer Plugin> - PHP Tool Integration> - MakeGood> - Json Editor> - Yaml Editor>> Another reason why a custom distribution would be an advantage is that we> don't have to rely on patches being applied to the Eclipse > runtime, like this one here, which would be a rather great improvement for> anyone working with webapplications:>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=351303 >> Here's what the distro could provide on an Eclipse-Runtime Level:>> - Register an eclipse:// URL protocol, so Stack-Trace links in the browser> could be opened directly in eclipse (like Sublimetext or Textmate work on > osx)> - Provide a Listener-Extension for the SWT.OpenDocument event, so plugins&g
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
Yes, I was wondering why it was discontinued... On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Mike Milinkovich < mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org> wrote: > > As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful PHP > package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. > > Mike Milinkovich > mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org > +1.613.220.3223 > *From: *Jacek Pospychała > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AM > *To: *PDT Developers > *Reply To: *PDT Developers > *Subject: *[pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution > > meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Jacek Pospychała > Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution > To: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com > > > hi Robert, > it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed! > If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing please > don't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. > > From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see Eclipse > PHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it has > great visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous > (e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sad > that there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking into > packaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's own > constraints, but maybe would be interesting to you. > > Jacek > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the > > following conclusions: > > > > A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to suite > > their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the existing > > plugins available. > > More and more people move over to PHPStorm > > > > The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons: > > > > Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working > > Better performance > > > > I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse > > distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By > > releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked > > eclipse.ini with optimized JVM settings. > > > > Also, a custom distribution could pre-configure other features to improve > > the performance / user experience, for example by disabling useless > > validators etc. > > > > I've therefore started working on a tycho-built eclipse distro based on > the > > following features (so far): > > > > - DLTK 5.0 > > - PDT 3.2 > > - PDT Extensions Core > > - Composer Plugin > > - PHP Tool Integration > > - MakeGood > > - Json Editor > > - Yaml Editor > > > > Another reason why a custom distribution would be an advantage is that we > > don't have to rely on patches being applied to the Eclipse > > runtime, like this one here, which would be a rather great improvement > for > > anyone working with webapplications: > > > > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=351303 > > > > Here's what the distro could provide on an Eclipse-Runtime Level: > > > > - Register an eclipse:// URL protocol, so Stack-Trace links in the > browser > > could be opened directly in eclipse (like Sublimetext or Textmate work on > > osx) > > - Provide a Listener-Extension for the SWT.OpenDocument event, so plugins > > can import existing projects by drag & drop onto Eclipse > > > > The product i'm working on will be fully open-source and free of charge, > > however i'm also thinking of ways to fund the development of new features > > to PDT Core / PDT-Extensions or any other related plugin. My main ideas > are: > > > > - Go down the crowd-funding route, for example like py-dev has been > doing: > > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-sexy-and-dark-eclipse > > - Find sponsors for new features, similar to what travis-ci does: > > https://travis-ci.org/ > > > > > > Any feedback greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > -robert > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "PDT Extensions Platform" group. > > T
Re: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
As a historical note, once upon a time, there was a very successful PHP package on the download page. It would be great to see one again. Mike Milinkovichmike.milinkov...@eclipse.org+1.613.220.3223 From: Jacek PospychałaSent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:08 AMTo: PDT DevelopersReply To: PDT DevelopersSubject: [pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distributionmeh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list.-- Forwarded message --From: Jacek Pospychała Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AMSubject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distributionTo: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.comhi Robert,it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed!If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing pleasedon't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can.From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see EclipsePHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it hasgreat visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous(e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sadthat there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking intopackaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's ownconstraints, but maybe would be interesting to you.JacekOn Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler wrote:> Hi all,>> after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the> following conclusions:>> A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to suite> their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the existing> plugins available.> More and more people move over to PHPStorm>> The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons:>> Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working> Better performance>> I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse> distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By> releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked> eclipse.ini with optimized JVM settings.>> Also, a custom distribution could pre-configure other features to improve> the performance / user experience, for example by disabling useless> validators etc.>> I've therefore started working on a tycho-built eclipse distro based on the> following features (so far):>> - DLTK 5.0> - PDT 3.2> - PDT Extensions Core> - Composer Plugin> - PHP Tool Integration> - MakeGood> - Json Editor> - Yaml Editor>> Another reason why a custom distribution would be an advantage is that we> don't have to rely on patches being applied to the Eclipse> runtime, like this one here, which would be a rather great improvement for> anyone working with webapplications:>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=351303>> Here's what the distro could provide on an Eclipse-Runtime Level:>> - Register an eclipse:// URL protocol, so Stack-Trace links in the browser> could be opened directly in eclipse (like Sublimetext or Textmate work on> osx)> - Provide a Listener-Extension for the SWT.OpenDocument event, so plugins> can import existing projects by drag & drop onto Eclipse>> The product i'm working on will be fully open-source and free of charge,> however i'm also thinking of ways to fund the development of new features> to PDT Core / PDT-Extensions or any other related plugin. My main ideas are:>> - Go down the crowd-funding route, for example like py-dev has been doing:> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-sexy-and-dark-eclipse> - Find sponsors for new features, similar to what travis-ci does:> https://travis-ci.org/>>> Any feedback greatly appreciated. regards>> -robert> --> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups> "PDT Extensions Platform" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an> email to pdt-extensions-platform+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> To post to this group, send email to> pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com.> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.>>___pdt-dev mailing listpdt-dev@eclipse.orghttps://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
[pdt-dev] Fwd: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution
meh... I accidentally only sent to pdt-eg mailing list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jacek Pospychała Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Providing an All-In-One PDT Eclipse distribution To: pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com hi Robert, it's a great initiative and I'd love to see you succeed! If there's anything specific from PDT side that you're missing please don't hesitate to bug me about it. I'll do anything I can. From Eclipse Foundation side of things, I always wanted to see Eclipse PHP package listed on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads. IMHO it has great visibility, downloads rates for some packages are just enormous (e.g. magnitude higher than top marketplace packages) and it's sad that there's no package for PHP devs. Now that you're looking into packaging, have you considered the EPP initiative? It has it's own constraints, but maybe would be interesting to you. Jacek On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Robert Gründler wrote: > Hi all, > > after over 2 years of maintaining PDT related plugins, i've come to the > following conclusions: > > A lot of people have a hard time setting up an eclipse instance to suite > their needs for PHP development - with the multitude of all the existing > plugins available. > More and more people move over to PHPStorm > > The migration to PHPStorm imho has 2 main reasons: > > Out-Of-The-Box experience: simply download the thing and start working > Better performance > > I think both issues can be addressed by providing a plain Eclipse > distribution targeting especially the needs of PHP / Web developers. By > releasing a custom distribution, we can for example provide a tweaked > eclipse.ini with optimized JVM settings. > > Also, a custom distribution could pre-configure other features to improve > the performance / user experience, for example by disabling useless > validators etc. > > I've therefore started working on a tycho-built eclipse distro based on the > following features (so far): > > - DLTK 5.0 > - PDT 3.2 > - PDT Extensions Core > - Composer Plugin > - PHP Tool Integration > - MakeGood > - Json Editor > - Yaml Editor > > Another reason why a custom distribution would be an advantage is that we > don't have to rely on patches being applied to the Eclipse > runtime, like this one here, which would be a rather great improvement for > anyone working with webapplications: > > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=351303 > > Here's what the distro could provide on an Eclipse-Runtime Level: > > - Register an eclipse:// URL protocol, so Stack-Trace links in the browser > could be opened directly in eclipse (like Sublimetext or Textmate work on > osx) > - Provide a Listener-Extension for the SWT.OpenDocument event, so plugins > can import existing projects by drag & drop onto Eclipse > > The product i'm working on will be fully open-source and free of charge, > however i'm also thinking of ways to fund the development of new features > to PDT Core / PDT-Extensions or any other related plugin. My main ideas are: > > - Go down the crowd-funding route, for example like py-dev has been doing: > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-sexy-and-dark-eclipse > - Find sponsors for new features, similar to what travis-ci does: > https://travis-ci.org/ > > > Any feedback greatly appreciated. > > > > regards > > -robert > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "PDT Extensions Platform" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pdt-extensions-platform+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to > pdt-extensions-platf...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > ___ pdt-dev mailing list pdt-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
