Agreed Edwina, a CAS (a local system) is indeed submitted to external and
internal constraints. But they have to be considered differently relatively to
the meaning generation process by the MGS in the CAS.
Internal constraints characterize the nature of the CAS (stay alive, look for
happiness, ..). They are resident in the CAS and part of its nature.
External constraints (lack of food, stressing environment, …) are results of
meaning generations by the MGS in the CAS when the latter receives information
from its environment (no more fruit on trees, new boss).
Internal constraints are resident in the CAS/MGS. External constraints are
built up by the CAS/MGS.
This point had not been explicited so far. Thanks for having highlighted the
concern.
Best
Christophe
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Le 3 déc. 2018 à 21:59, Edwina Taborsky
mailto:tabor...@primus.ca>> a écrit :
I have no problem with your outline - makes excellent sense to me. A few
questions:
1] (understood as a local volume far from thermodynamic equilibrium and acting
on the environment and on itself to maintain its status). YES - AGREE.
2] a local system submitted to an internal constraint
QUESTION: Aren't all systems subject to both internal AND EXTERNAL constraints?
That is - I consider that the 'local system' functions as a CAS [complex
adaptive system] and is therefore in intimate informational interaction with
its local environment. This system must include Thirdness, which is non-local,
and is expressed locally, as Secondness.
Edwina Taborsky
On Mon 03/12/18 4:19 AM , Christophe Menant
christophe.men...@hotmail.fr<mailto:christophe.men...@hotmail.fr> sent:
> Dear all,
> Let me come back for a while to the key questions as formulated by Dipti :
> ”What was the very first instance of semiosis and why, where and how did it
> occur? What preceded it, and what triggered it?"
> We do not have scientifically acceptable answers to these questions but we
> can get close to them by using an evolutionary thread backwards, and
> correspondinly highlight some related aspect.
> It is first worth recalling that semiosis cannot exist alone but has to be
> related to some meaning of a sign, to some entity having a finality. And the
> today understanding of the evolution of our universe positions a first
> finality at the emergence of life (understood as a local volume far from
> thermodynamic equilibrium and acting on the environment and on itself to
> maintain its status).
> Such a background brings to value a local system submitted to an internal
> constraint as a natural model for semiotics and meaning generation. This has
> been highlighted at Biosemiotics Gatherings 2015 & 2016
> (https://philpapers.org/rec/MENMGF-2
> )and upgraded at IS4SI 2017 (https://philpapers.org/archive/MENICA-2 ). The
> focus is then on a system submitted to an internal constraint and potentially
> covering a spectrum going from a pre-biotic level to a post-human one. That
> frame includes an evolutionary nature of self-consciousness (with anxiety
> limitation as a key constraint), and leaves open the nature of life where
> quantum mechanics is to have a say (more to come on that). Simple definitions
> for agency and autonomy are introduced.
> Surprizingly, that perspective (kicked off at Gatherings 2002) has found
> little echo in the Biosemiotics or Pierce-l communities (as a possible
> modeling of the Interpreter).
> Best
> Christophe
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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