Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8363] Natural Propositions, Ch. 10:

2015-04-21 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Howard, lists -
The distinction between food and poison belongs, I would say, to the apriori 
concepts of biology - not of logic.
As indicated, this is not the Kantian conception of a priori. For those 
interested in the competing notion of a priori, see ch. 8 of my Diagrammatology 
(2007). Or Barry Smith's In Defense of Extreme (Fallibilistic) Apriorism 
(http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/articles/In-Defense.pdf)
Best
F

Den 21/04/2015 kl. 01.43 skrev Howard Pattee 
hpat...@roadrunner.commailto:hpat...@roadrunner.com
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At 12:22 PM 4/20/2015, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote:
Sorry for having rattled Franklin's empiricist sentiments with references to 
the a priori!
Empiricists seem to have an a priori fear of the a priori … but no philosophy 
of science has, as yet, been able to completely abolish the a priori . . .

This is clearly one philosopher's opinion, but to another rattled empiricist it 
sounds like anthropocentric question-begging. Does the information that 
distinguishes food from poison in the gene of E. coli or the nervous system of 
C. elegans depend on an a priori logic? Do I need an a priori logic to 
distinguish food from poison?

From what sources do you choose your logical a priori information?

Howard


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[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8363] Natural Propositions, Ch. 10:

2015-04-20 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Franklin, lists -

Sorry for having rattled Franklin's empiricist sentiments with references to 
the a priori!
Empiricists seem to have an a priori fear of the a priori … but no philosophy 
of science has, as yet, been able to completely abolish the a priori - even 
logical positvism had to admit logic as a remaining a priori field 
(reinterpreting that as tautologies, that is true).
I should probably have given a note here to my own stance on the a priori - for 
the interested, I wrote a bit about it in ch. 8 of Diagrammatology (2007). My 
take on it there comes more from the early Husserl than from Peirce: the a 
priori has nothing to do with Kantian subjectivity, rather, it consists in 
dependence structures of objectivity - this makes it subject to fallibilism -  
the a priori charts necessities - these come in two classes, formal ontology 
and material ontology - the former holds for all possible objects, the latter 
for special regions of reality (like physics, biology, society) - no discipline 
can function without more or less explicit conceptual networks defining their 
basic ideas - being fallibilist, a priori claims develop with the single 
scientific disciplines …

I happen to think this Husserlian picture (for a present-day version, see Barry 
Smith) is compatible with Peirce's classification of the sciences where, as it 
is well known, the upper echelon is taken to be a priori in the sense of not at 
all containing empirical knowledge while the lower, positive levels inherit 
structures from those higher ones, co-determining the way they organize and 
prioritize their empirical material.
So, it is in this sense of material ontology that I speak of biogeographical 
ontology and and the ontology of human culture development involved in 
Diamond's argument. Given these assumptions, Diamond's argument, so I argue, is 
a priori. His conclusion that Eurasia privileges the spread of domesticated 
animals does not depend on the empirical investigation of early cultural 
contacts, human migrations or trade routes across the continent - but only on 
the general knowledge that climate is (largely) invariant along latitudes and 
that the spead of human cultures involves that of domesticated animals (the two 
ontologies I claim are involved).
As you can see my concept of ontology is deflated - which is also in concert 
with the ontological commitment in some Peircean ideas (cf. the idea that what 
exists is what must be there for true propositions to be true, 5.312) - so I do 
not participate in the analytical quest for the most meagre ontology possible … 
I would rather say that ontology should comprise general concepts necessary for 
the sciences at all levels (from elementary particles and genes to empires, 
wars, media and real estate …)

Best
F

Den 20/04/2015 kl. 04.07 skrev Franklin Ransom 
pragmaticist.lo...@gmail.commailto:pragmaticist.lo...@gmail.com:

Ben, lists,

The connection you drew between the first and the fourth definitions of 
theorematic reasoning is quite interesting; I had not thought of conceptual 
analysis in quite that way. At least, though, the complexity of the diagram or 
icon is likely more complicated in the case of theorematic reasoning than in 
corollarial reasoning. I suppose I somehow think that a theorematic reasoning 
is often a previous corollarial reasoning but with something novel introduced, 
which would make the theorematic reasoning straightforwardly more complicated 
than the corollarial reasoning.

Part of my concern about the relationship between theorematic reasoning and 
abductive inference is that Frederik isn't just attempting to discuss 
mathematics when treating of theorematic diagrammatic reasoning. Rather, the 
significance is for all knowledge. Because the mathematical-diagrams are 
ubiquitous, and because Frederik takes the mathematical diagrams to be a 
priori, this means that all knowledge includes the a priori as a constituent 
element. This is a very Kantian move, repeated by C.I. Lewis in his Mind and 
the World-Order. I am quite wary of this move.

I think it very important the way you put the following: The conclusions are 
aprioristically true only given the hypotheses, but the hypotheses themselves 
are not aprioristically true nor asserted to be true except hypothetically, and 
this hypotheticality is what allows such assurance of the conclusions, although 
even the hypothesis is upended if it leads to such contradictions as render the 
work futile. And then part of your quote from Peirce: Mathematics merely 
traces out the consequences of hypotheses without caring whether they 
correspond to anything real or not. It is purely deductive, and all necessary 
inference is mathematics, pure or applied. Its hypotheses are suggested by any 
of the other sciences, but its assumption of them is not a scientific act. 
There are two things to be said about this. The first is that the hypotheses 
are originally suggested by experience. The