[PEIRCE-L] Re: The object of reasoning is to find out ...

2017-04-25 Thread Jon Awbrey 

Eric, List ...

Probably that second thing.  It is largely that, for people of
a certain era, the behaviorists of the middle third of the last
century are the very model of modern major diehards when it comes
to using reductionist theories of human behavior, especially dyadic
reductionist theories, long past the point when it became evident to
most observers that dyadic models were simply not up to the task of
describing and explaining the phenomena in view.  So I guess they
became object examples of inadaequatio rei et intellectus.  But
they are not the only ones, of course, and these days the more
poignant examples are probably the Dunning-Kruger dyadicists,
who never seem to mark the point when they slip down that
slope to dyadic models despite all their protestations
of triadicity.

Regards,

Jon

On 4/18/2017 10:13 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
> Jon, (et al.,)
> A bit of a tangent, but  I would be interested
> in some elaboration on the problems you see with the
> behavioristic outlook.  I will admit in advance that
> I will be looking towards any response with an eye
> towards whether the aspects objected to are things
> that I understand to be essential to behaviorism
> (as a philosophy of psychology), or if they are
> aspects I understand to be odd affections held
> by influential individuals in that field.
>
> Best,
> Eric


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Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps


On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Jon Awbrey  wrote:


| “No longer wondered what I would do in life but defined my object.”
|
| — C.S. Peirce (1861), “My Life, written for the Class-Book”, (CE 1, 3)
|
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2016/03/16/abduction-deduction-induction-analogy-inquiry-17/

| The object of reasoning is to find out,
| from the consideration of what we already know,
| something else which we do not know.
|
http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html

If the object of an investigation is
to find out something we did not know
then the clues and evidence discovered
are the signs that determine that object.

We've been through this so many times before that I hesitate ...
but what the hecuba ... one more time for good measure ...

People will continue to be confused about determination
so long as they can think of no other forms of it but the
behaviorist-causal-dyadic-temporal, object-as-stimulus and
sign-as-response variety.  It is true that ordinary language
biases us toward billiard-ball styles of dyadic determination,
but there are triadic forms of constraint, determination, and
interaction that are not captured by S-R chains of that order.
A pragmatic-semiotic object is anything we talk or think about,
and semiosis does not conduct its transactions within the bounds
of object as cue, sign as cue ball, and interpretants as solids,
stripes, or pockets.

Regards,

Jon



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[PEIRCE-L] Re: The object of reasoning is to find out ...

2017-04-20 Thread Jon Awbrey 

Peircers,

Here is the prettified blog version,
with links and references filled in:

https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2017/04/20/the-object-of-reasoning-is-to-find-out/

Regards,

Jon

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