Von: "Jerry Rhee" <jerryr...@gmail.com>
Btw,
“cask of memory”, Nietzsche
“This is man”, Peirce
“glassy essence, like an angry ape”, Shakespeare
“.. failed to consider the possibility that all philosophers form a class by themselves, or that what unites all genuine philosophers is more important than what unites a given philosopher with a particular group of non-philosophers”, Strauss
Best wishes,
Jerry Rhee
Dear list,
Is my experience but of yesterday?
It is long ago that I experienced the reasons for mine opinions.
This is man,
". . . proud man,
Most ignorant of what he's most assured,
His glassy essence, like an angry ape.."
Best,
Jerry ROn Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com> wrote:Gene, Gary f, list,Gene wrote:It seems to me that one can also say that some elements of our experience are primate experience, and also even mammal experience, rather than specifically human experience. And perhaps these prejudices need to be bracketed out in scientific experience as well.But aren't such primate, mammalian and material 'elements' immediately filtered, so to speak, through our human being in order to count as our experience, experience in Peirce's sense in the material under discussion?So, while it's true that my pain in stubbing my toe is surely mammalian pain, I immediately, quasi-necessarily turn it into human experience. I say to myself "ouch!" (the pain is symbolized), "my right big toe" (the pain is immediately localized in human terms), etc. Such human symbolization allows us to not only experience, but also importantly to reflect on our experience in order to, come to better understandings of the nature of physical pain, to, for example, discover means to control it medically for not only humans, but for primates, other mammals, etc.Best,Gary RGary RichmondPhilosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New YorkOn Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 3:28 PM, <g...@gnusystems.ca> wrote:-----------------------------Gene,
Yes — for me it goes without saying that humans are mammals and primates, but now that you’ve said it, I agree.
The Nietszche quote does seem timely in some respects … likewise this bit from the Avatamsaka Sutra that I quoted on my blog the other day: “There is not a single sentient being who is not fully endowed with the knowledge of the enlightened; it is just that because of deluded notions, erroneous thinking, and attachments, they are unable to realize it.”
Gary f.
} The lord whose oracle is at Delphi neither speaks nor conceals, but gives signs. [Heraclitus] {
http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs gateway
From: Eugene Halton [mailto:eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu]
Sent: 6-Jan-18 14:13
To: Peirce List <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 3.11
Dear Gary F,
Your comment concludes:
"That last sentence takes us to the crux of the challenge of Peircean semiotics and Peircean phenomenology: Experience is our only teacher in science, as he says elsewhere, and all of our experience is human experience — yet we are tasked to “take away the psychological or accidental human element” from our comprehension of the elements of the phenomenon, and specifically of semiosic phenomena. Nominalists and others will say it can’t be done; Peirce says “Why not?”
As a quibble, it seems to me that one can also say that some elements of our experience are primate experience, and also even mammal experience, rather than specifically human experience. And perhaps these prejudices need to be bracketed out in scientific experience as well.
Nietszche said something that may speak to Peirce’s words, though perhaps not completely parallel:
"Your true educators and formative teachers reveal to you what the real raw material of your being is, something quite ineducable, yet in any case accessible only with difficulty, bound, paralyzed: your educators can be only your liberators." (Untimely Meditations III)
Gene Halton
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