Re: RE: Martin Feldstein

2000-04-16 Thread Michael Perelman

thanks.  I found it based on your clue:

Social Security and Private Saving: New Time-Series Evidence (in
Confirmations and Contradictions)
Dean R. Leimer, Selig D. Lesnoy
The Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 90, No. 3. (Jun., 1982), pp.
606-629.


"Max B. Sawicky" wrote:

 Lesnoy and Leamer did the debunking paper
 I think.  Don't remember the particulars.

 mbs

 I lost my notes on Martin Feldstein regarding his attack on Social
 Security.  Someone pointed out -- I can't remember who -- that his data
 was wrong.  Feldstein later admitted this, blamed the error on a
 programmer, and then launched his attack anew.  Can anyone refresh my
 memory on this?
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929

 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: RE: Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard

2000-04-16 Thread Jim Devine

At 11:34 AM 04/16/2000 -0400, you wrote:
"Max B. Sawicky" wrote:
  . . . Protesters' Headquarters Raided, Shut Down
 
  Incredible.

What's incredible about it? It seems quite ordinary to me --
but I suppose it depends on one's assumptions about
capitalist democracy.   Carrol

I think that it's important to remember -- and emphasize -- the 
contradiction between the "free speech" promises of the establishmentarian 
spokespeople and how the system works in practice. [*] The cynical  "that's 
capitalism once again" response will never attract new people to the Left. 
On top of that, the "that's capitalism" response encourages maximalism 
(nothing good is possible under capitalism) and even maximally giving up.

[*] In CAPITAL, Marx goes a long distance with the contrast between "what's 
good according to capitalist standards" (trading at value, equal exchange) 
and how the system works in practice (exploitation in production). In fact, 
Cornel West in his book (Ph.D. dissertation) on Marxism and Morality, 
argues that this "theory vs. practice" emphasis is Marx's main ethical 
approach in his later works. Of course, that's Chomsky's emphasis, too.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~JDevine




tax news

2000-04-16 Thread Jim Devine

fromSLATE, April 16, 2000:
The New York Times leads with a study showing that last year, for the 
first time, the IRS was more likely to audit the poor than the rich. ... 
The IRS stories detail a new Syracuse University study showing that audit 
rates for those making $100,000 or more have fallen 90 percent over the 
past decade, from 11.4 percent to 1.15 percent. Meanwhile, audit rates for 
those making less than $25,000 have crept up by a third, from 1.03 percent 
to 1.36 percent. The pattern is mirrored on the corporate side, with a 
greater portion of small businesses being audited than large ones. Audits 
of individuals fell for the right reasons: because more of their pay is 
fully reported by employers, and because Congress has eliminated the 
widest loopholes for individual filers. But audits of  corporations and 
the self-employed fell for the wrong ones: because Congress has stiffed 
the IRS of the resources necessary to do its job. The Times (the online 
edition, at least) helpfully refers readers to the study itself, posted 
here www.trac.syr.edu.

of course, this is exactly the result that the rich were pushing for when 
the marched on Washington (to Congressional committee sessions) to protest 
abuses by the IRS.

happy tax day!

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~JDevine




RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard

2000-04-16 Thread Max B. Sawicky


O.K. This seems right. My question: Does the novelty (or
at leas relative novelty) of the reaction reflect someone's
deliberate estimation of the threat, or merely a more-or-
less run of the mill police over-reaction? . . .

[mbs] It's an over-reaction if you are interested
in upholding the law, including everyone's basic
rights.  It's not if you have no scruples about
doing whatever you can get away with to disrupt
legal and/or non-violent dissent.


And if the former,
what precisely is the threat that someone feels? I use
the vague someone because I don't have the remotest
idea how high up the decision was.


[mbs] I would guess the DC fuzz doesn't want to look
hapless and out of control like the Seattle cops.
As it happens, the local news is showing cops
making gratuitous and random assaults on
kids 1/3rd their size right now in front
of the WB.


In any case, a lot of people will be returning home with
a rather intensified awareness of how swift and severe
reactions by the state can be.  Carrol

Yup.  No question about it.  This is how
revolutionaries are made. Or at least one way.

mbs




Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard

2000-04-16 Thread M A Jones


- Original Message -
From: "Jim Devine"

 [*] In CAPITAL, Marx goes a long distance with the contrast between
"what's
 good according to capitalist standards" (trading at value, equal exchange)
 and how the system works in practice (exploitation in production).

Surely Marx's entire point in Capital is to show that "how the system works
in practice" is precisely by _trading at value_.

Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList




billionaires (fwd)

2000-04-16 Thread Michael Hoover

probably too much to expect that below-types will start jumping from 
fifteenth floor windows any time soon (and their going bye-bye won't 
destroy capitalism), but one can hope...   Michael Hoover

 Here's how some famous billionaires fared as the stock market plunged
 this week.
 
 William H. Gates III, chairman and chief software architect, Microsoft
 Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news), lost $11.1 billion on his 741.7 million
 shares of the company.
 
  Charles R. Schwab, chairman and co-CEO of Charles Schwab Corp.
 (NYSE:SCH - news), lost $2.6 billion on his 175.2 million shares.
 
 Jeffrey P. Bezos, chairman and CEO of Amazon.com, lost $2.4 billion on
 his 117.5 million shares.
 
 Michael S. Dell, Chairman and CEO, Dell Computer Corporation
 (NasdaqNM:DELL - news) lost $2.3 billion on his 306.1 million shares.
 
  Jerry Yang, Chief Yahoo! of Yahoo!, lost $1.6 billion on his 45.4
 million shares.
 
  Stephen M. Case, chairman and CEO of America Online, lost $122.4
 million on his 8.90 million shares.




Re: worm on pen-l????

2000-04-16 Thread Chris Burford

At 15:53 15/04/00 -0700, you wrote:
I just found this warning.  The message with the worm seems to calm from
pen-l.  Should I/we be concerned?

The (Win95/Happy99.Worm) virus was detected in (Perelman,
Michael\Happy99.exe) and was sent by ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Action: (File was not Cured, Renaming.).
  --
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I got a similar message but from a Kurdish source.

I attach the information on this virus. It seems likely to come from 
newsgroups.

It might be worth searching for files especially LISTE.SKA


Below is the details from the McAfee library of viruses

http://vil.nai.com/villib/alpha.asp


Chris Burford





 Profile
 Virus Name
 W32/Ska

 Aliases
 Happy99, Happy99.exe, I-Worm.Happy, W32/Skanew

 Variants
  Name
   Type
Sub Type
 Differences
  W32/Ska2K
   Virus
worm


 Date Added
 5/6/99

 Virus Information

  Discovery Date:
1/27/99

   Type:
Virus

SubType:
worm

Risk Assessment:
High

Minimum Dat:
4012

 Minimum Engine:
4.0.25


 Virus Characteristics
 *Note this edition of the worm is only a minor 
variation of the original first
 identified in February 1999. This worm is detected 
with current DAT files. *

 W32/Ska is a worm that was first posted to several 
newsgroups and has been
 reported to several of the AVERT Labs locations 
worldwide. When this worm is
 run it displays a message "Happy New Year 1999!!" and 
displays "fireworks"
 graphics. The posting on the newsgroups has lead to 
its propagation. It can
 also spread on its own, as it can attach itself to a 
mail message and be sent
 unknowingly by a user.

 The file may be received by email with a size of 
10,000 bytes. The worm if run
 will patch WSOCK32.DLL to promote distribution by 
email on the host system if
 the email application supports SMTP email 
communication. If the host supports
 this environment, emails when sent from the host will 
be followed by a second
 message with the worm either attached or included as 
MIME such as this:

 X-Spanska: Yes
 
 begin 644 Happy99.exe
 M35I0`
 `($``\`__\``+@`0``:
 M``$``+H0``X?M`G-(;@!3,TAD)!4:ES('!R;V=R

 AVERT cautions all users who may receive the 
attachment via email to simply
 delete the mail and the attachment. The worm infects a 
system via email
 delivery and arrives as an attachment called 
Happy99.EXE. It is sent
 unknowingly by a user. When the program is run it 
deploys its payload displaying
 fireworks on the users monitor.

 When HAPPY99.EXE is run it copies itself to 
Windows\System folder under the
 name SKA.EXE. It then extracts, from within itself, a 
DLL called SKA.DLL into
 the Windows\System folder if one does not already exist.

 Note: Though the SKA.EXE file is a copy of the 
original it does not run as the
 HAPPY99.EXE files does, so it does not copy itself 
again, nor does it display the
 fireworks on the users monitor.

 The worm then checks for the existence of WSOCK32.SKA 
in the
 Windows\System folder, if it does not exist and a the 
file WSOCK32.DLL does
 exist, it copies the WSOCK32.DLL to WSOCK32.SKA as a 
backup copy.

 The worm then creates the registry entry -

 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce\
 Ska.exe="Ska.exe"

 - which will execute SKA.EXE the next time the system 
is restarted. When this
   

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard (fwd)

2000-04-16 Thread md7148


there is no "contrast" between the real (exploitation) and the moral
(equal exchange) in Capital. It is capitalism, not Marx, that creates the
contrast, to make us believe free market distributes fairly. Marx
objectively reads capitalism as the way it is..

Mine


 [*] In CAPITAL, Marx goes a long distance with the contrast between
"what's
 good according to capitalist standards" (trading at value, equal
exchange)
 and how the system works in practice (exploitation in production).

Surely Marx's entire point in Capital is to show that "how the system
works
in practice" is precisely by _trading at value_.

Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList




Saturday

2000-04-16 Thread Max B. Sawicky

Just back from the festivities.  I have no idea
if or how the WB/IMF proceedings have been affected.
It was quite clear, however, that downtown D.C. was
shut down.  For the convenience of the WB/IMF, the
police blocked off a huge area in the heart of
downtown.  There were few cars to be seen on the
fringes of the IMF zone, almost all stores shut
down.  The "Delhi Deli" near Pennsylvania and
20th did a great business.

I got off at Farragut North metro like I do
every day, but this time headed to where I
saw people.  I found myself surrounded by
kids lying all over the sidewalk in black,
bandanas, combat boots, gas masks, piercings,
tatoos, radioactive hair colors, etc.
I was in the middle of the Black Bloc.
We were on the frontier of the Forbidden
City, cops lined up behind metal fencing
that blocked the street.  After some
"The Good, the Bad, the Ugly" face-offs,
the mob started forming up, chanting
"Our streets" and marching around the
enclosed perimeter.  They looked like
the desert creatures in Star Wars.
Could have been a thousand or two,
though more kept coming along the
way.

Naturally I marched with them. It
was either that or go the Ellipse
and hear some speaker droning on.
I kept looking for Chuck0 but
never saw him.

The march was uneventful.  Eventually
we got to the Ellipse.  Very hot out
there but dry.  Bumped into Tom Kruse
through a mutual friend -- he's in
fine shape.  Met David McReynolds
in the flesh, after corresponding
with him over the net for a couple
of years.

The Bloc seemed more stocked with
gear than political slogans.  More
cultural than political on the surface,
but clearly something with
political implications.  In
general the demo was striking for
its perfect chaos of slogans and
causes, all around the general
theme of capitalism stinks. Some
of the cadre groups were out there,
but not as many as at other demos
I've been to, nor in much force.
YSA seemed to be doing good business.
Lots of races/nationalities in the
crowd, predominantly young.  A fair
number of union types carrying
Jobs with Justice signs.

The media coverage here has not been
awful, in my view, though there
is not a lot of conveyance of the
content of the protests.  A lot of
the coverage has been gossipy stuff
in the "Style" section.  Han Shan
(an organizer) as teen heart-throb.

The coverage of today will look a
lot like Woodstock.  Little trace of
China/PNTR stuff.  To me the potential
of these two separate tracks to coalesce
into something much more interesting
gives them power even as separate things.
Regarding CC's comment about who will
'control' this, I would say that nobody
will control 'it,' because there is no 'it.'
But both the AFL affiliates and the non-
union types will evolve.  It won't be
your father's AFL-CIO anymore.

I think the week is already a success, regardless
of how the WB/IMF meetings are affected.
The WB and IMF are confirmed topics of
criticism.

Tomorrow promises major disruption of
downtown.  From what I could see there
are more than enough hardcore anarchists
to cause total mayhem.  Basically the
police are reduced to protecting the
meetings or protecting downtown from
disruption.  All indications are that
the meetings come first.  So they will
end up looking stupid for that choice.
They may also have erred in shutting
down the protestors HQ yesterday. It
has given them time to regroup, I
suspect.  Tomorrow . . .

mbs




RE: Saturday

2000-04-16 Thread Max B. Sawicky

Just back from the festivities.  . . .

and I don't even know what day it is.
Caveat emptor.

mbs




Re: Saturday

2000-04-16 Thread Louis Proyect

Max wrote:
Just back from the festivities.  I have no idea
if or how the WB/IMF proceedings have been affected.
It was quite clear, however, that downtown D.C. was
shut down.  For the convenience of the WB/IMF, the
police blocked off a huge area in the heart of
downtown.  There were few cars to be seen on the
fringes of the IMF zone, almost all stores shut
down.  The "Delhi Deli" near Pennsylvania and
20th did a great business.

Great reporting. This is why the Internet was created.

Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/




Re: Saturday

2000-04-16 Thread Timework Web

Meanwhile, it's monday in Asia where the Nikkei has lost about 5% in early
trading.

Tom Walker




Re: Saturday II

2000-04-16 Thread Timework Web

Did I say 5%? Make that 9% now. The Hang Seng is down 8% as the wave
sweeps around the globe.

Tom Walker




Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard

2000-04-16 Thread Jim Devine

"At 07:13 PM 04/16/2000 +0100, you wrote:

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Devine"

  [*] In CAPITAL, Marx goes a long distance with the contrast between
"what's
  good according to capitalist standards" (trading at value, equal exchange)
  and how the system works in practice (exploitation in production).

Surely Marx's entire point in Capital is to show that "how the system works
in practice" is precisely by _trading at value_.

what I was saying was that in volume I of CAPITAL, Marx shows "how the 
system works" precisely _when_  trading at value -- but that nonetheless 
there is exploitation of labor by capital. (It's a little like John 
Roemer's business of showing the existence of "exploitation" in a perfectly 
competitive system. But Marx's theory is much more profound.)

In volume III, as he turns to the issue of how competition works and how 
the participants perceive the system and act on those perceptions, he drops 
the assumption that commodities trade at value (so that there is unequal 
exchange, the "transformation problem," and all that). So capitalism does 
not trade at value in practice (in Marx's view, at least).

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~JDevine




Re: billionaires

2000-04-16 Thread Rob Schaap

G'day Pen-Pals,

The Margin Call - a sound never heard by ordinary punters in Australia
before - is booming across the land.  The market here is down 6 per cent for
the morning, and there's no sign of serious bottom-feeding yet.  Of course,
you have to remember that NewsCorp is a whopping presence on the Sydney
exchange, and news of Rupert's sick prostate hit only last night.  House
prices are gonna take a hit by all accounts, as apparently many have been
putting their houses on the line to join the fun.  And over in even more
battered Japan, economists are saying (a) they can't see a tenable bottom 
(b) they don't think it's fair they should be taking such a hit for a
problem that self-righteous ol' Unca Sam had so long and so obviously
allowed to grow in his back yard.  Asian economies got a real lecture to go
along with their pain in '97 and '98 - and now they would doubtlessly like
to return the favour.  Only they're copping it this time as well.

I guess the early exiters must have serious money lying fallow, but it's
hard to imagine how they're gonna pick their moment for re-entry.  The fund
managers must always have been scared of the dot.con sector, contributing to
the bloat only to keep their clients, and they must be hesitant to re-enter
at values still above 1998 levels.  When they do re-enter the NASDAQ, one
would imagine we're going to see the behemoths gain huge relative value at
the cost of all their smaller would-be competitors.  This looks like the
standard Marxian 'low profitscrisiscapital destructionincreased
concentration and centralisation' process at work to me.  Reckon the NASDAQ
might be a shorter list in a month or two (and that the people Michael
Hoover listed will have more market power than they had a month ago).

I guess this needs only another few days of decline to expose the exposed. 
And then all those who've been saying that the upside of all this is that
Greenspan won't have to hike again might have to think again.  Credit might
be very hard to get in economies waiting to see just how significant and
widespread will be the bad-debt problem coming out of all this.  And then
the real economy might begin to groan.

Is this the way to think about what's going on?

Cheers,
Rob.




Re: Re: Saturday II

2000-04-16 Thread Rod Hay

And with every fall, wealth distribution becomes more equal, and I am
relatively better off.

Rod

Timework Web wrote:

 Did I say 5%? Make that 9% now. The Hang Seng is down 8% as the wave
 sweeps around the globe.

 Tom Walker

--
Rod Hay
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The History of Economic Thought Archive
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Kitchener, Ontario
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Re: Re: Re: Saturday II

2000-04-16 Thread Eugene Coyle

Going to buy an SUV?

Gene Coyle

Rod Hay wrote:

 And with every fall, wealth distribution becomes more equal, and I am
 relatively better off.

 Rod

 Timework Web wrote:

  Did I say 5%? Make that 9% now. The Hang Seng is down 8% as the wave
  sweeps around the globe.
 
  Tom Walker

 --
 Rod Hay
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The History of Economic Thought Archive
 http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html
 Batoche Books
 http://Batoche.co-ltd.net/
 52 Eby Street South
 Kitchener, Ontario
 N2G 3L1
 Canada





D.C. Shut Down

2000-04-16 Thread Max B. Sawicky

If you work for the Feds at a site between 12th and 21st street,
and south of K, you've got a day off tomorrow.  Cars will be
kept out of a larger area, south of M.  So tomorrow may look
a lot like today -- an inner, totally fortified area inside
of which the meetings go on, and a somewhat larger evacuated
downtown area for the demonstrators to mill around in.  And
surrounding that, a godawful traffic jam, though it's possible
nobody will go to work.  The precedent for the latter is the
Million Man March, when lots of white people stayed home. Downtown
was great -- quiet and totally uncongested.

For the whole Fed govt, it's similar to a snow day.  Regardless
of where you work, 'liberal leave' is in effect.  Meaning you
can use one of your days off.

TV showed one person arrested for having two molotov
cocktails -- real ones, not empty coke bottles.

The Chief is pretty slick.  He was visiting the police lines,
getting filmed telling his cops to chill out.  Idiots on the
demo side were shaking hands with him.

Now I'm thinking tomorrow will be anti-climactic, unless the
direct action people have some clever new ideas.  In a sense
the police have conceded the ground by fencing it in.  You
threaten to disrupt traffic, we will shut off traffic
altogether.

mbs




Lagavulin was Re: Hundreds arrested

2000-04-16 Thread M A Jones

Max, you should never have confessed to being teetotal. Helas, I drank the
whisky. I did toast your health several times so the feng-shui might have
done you some good. That's the only upside I can think of. Oh, and for being
good sports, I've just subbed you and Enrique to the CrashList where you
will get more news about the Great Crash of 2000, faster and with real-time
Marxist commentary, than anywhere else on the Net.

 Any other disappointed Lagavulin drinkers are welcome to the same
alternative. Just let me know.

 Mark Jones
 http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList


 - Original Message -
 From: "Max B. Sawicky" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Hundreds arrested


  damn straight about that one and i still haven't collected yet!
  kelley
 
  Don't forget you have to drink it out of your slipper.
 
  max
 
 
 





Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard

2000-04-16 Thread M A Jones

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Devine"
 In volume III, as he turns to the issue of how competition works and how
 the participants perceive the system and act on those perceptions, he
drops
 the assumption that commodities trade at value (so that there is unequal
 exchange, the "transformation problem," and all that). So capitalism does
 not trade at value in practice (in Marx's view, at least).

This seems misleading. In Cap III Marx does not 'drop the assumption that
commodities trade at value'. It is NOT an assumption in the first place, if
by this you mean a hypothetical speculation used to investigate a matter.
What Marx tries to do in Cap III, and succeeds, is to show how real
phenomena such as unequal exchange and value-price transformation can
coexist with and even be entailed by, the fundamental fact of equal
commodity exchange, including of course the exchange of labour with capital.


Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList