So, Trevor, are you saying that international trade groups like eu and nafta have the potential to be 'turned' or used to progressive purposes where nationalistic movements might fail? While I don't dispute the attractiveness of such an idea, I would think that union or popular movements in opposition to such official groups have a greater chance of being formed. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 97-05-15 19:56:07 EDT, you write: >Unlike NAFTA, the EU is a project to create a new type of state structure - >which is why Thatcher was so opposed to it. Many questions about the form >of that structure have not yet been determined. Certainly the right has >made much of the running up til now - as they have at a national level. The >big question is how the left might change that. > >Take the demand for shorter working hours. I think it is a key issue, in >terms of combatting unemployment, in terms of creating the basis for a more > egalitarian division of domestic labour, and of moving towards a society >where most peoples lives are not dominated by paid and unpaid labour. Of >course, progess is only likely if pressure can be brought to bear by a >mass movement. But given the mobility of capital within Europe, there are >real limits to what can be achieved in any one country - as German workers >are discovering - and pressure is only like to be effective if it is >applied across the whole of the EU, so that the EU establishes similar >standards for all its member countries. > > >Trevor Evans >Berlin > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Received: from anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu (anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu >[132.241.9.84]) > by emin37.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-1.0.1) > Thu, 15 May 1997 17:57:49 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from anthrax (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > Thu, 15 May 1997 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Originator: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Precedence: bulk >From: Trevor Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [PEN-L:10154] Re EU >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Progressive Economics >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >MIME-Version: 1.0