Re: [PEN-L:8766] market socialism, cont.

1997-02-26 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski

At 12:59 PM 2/25/97 -0800, you wrote:

>capitalist legislation). The point that this is a psecial problems 
>for planned socialism is that in it, the whole economy is 
>politicized; there's no room for any nonpoliticized 
>decisionmaking. I agree that rich coops exercising power in virtue 
>of their wealth would be a problem in MS ["market socialism"].<<


I think that much of the debate about socialism (including the one on this
list) phrases it as an essentially technical decision making process of the
division of labour and distribution of product.  The problem with that
approach is that it treats socialism as something that already "exists" in
some non-descript sphere of possibilities, and all we need to do is to
implement it efficiently.

That assumption is highly unrealistic.  If the 20th century history taught
us only one thing, that one thing is that the bourgeoisie is willing to go
not just one, but hundreds, and if the need be, thousands of miles to
preserve its class rule and finish off any attempt to undermine it.  There
is no cost too high, no concession too far reaching for the bourgeoisie to
undercut their arch-nemesis -- socialism.  Even if that means implementing
(temporary) social programs, making concessions to the unions,
democratisation of politics, etc.

The capitalists understand it very well that no socialist economy can
sustain competiton with capitalism in a long run for one very simple reason
-- superior ability of the capitalist enterprise to squeeze out labour and
accumulate its product.  As long as the terms of the competition are defined
as who can outproduce whom (cf. the "cold war") -- the capitalists are bound
to win.  They know that and they are ready to make short term concessions to
appease their wage slaves when the socialist threat to their class rule is
not over yet.

Therefore, the debate about socialism should start with the following
question: "how to implement socialism over capitalist opposition and sustain
it until capitalism is completely defeated?"  Before that question is
answered, everything else is, like in my old country they used to say,
"dividing the hide on a living bear."

The builders of the Soviet state understood that problem well, when they
were talking about the transition period to socialism.  The solution they
chose might have been wrong, but they were at least well aware of the basic
fact of life that no oligarchy would ever give power without a fight or, as
Rosa Luxemburg aptly put it, "the capitalists will not hang themselves when
the profit rate starts to fall."  The "New Age" Left has an apparent problem
to understand that things do not get done by the sheer power of the will and
imagination, without getting one's hands dirty.


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[PEN-L:8766] market socialism, cont.

1997-02-25 Thread JDevine

(after a baaad illness, I'm baaack!)

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, I wrote >Wait a sec, Justin! [the dumping of 
costs and the grabbing of benefits is] _exactly_ the way a 
capitalist market works... <

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Justin Schwartz answered: >>I agree that 
putting the costs on others and taking the advantages for oneself 
is how capitalist politics works. In fact my statement is a very 
close paraphrase of one by Justice Holmes (talking about 
capitalist legislation). The point that this is a psecial problems 
for planned socialism is that in it, the whole economy is 
politicized; there's no room for any nonpoliticized 
decisionmaking. I agree that rich coops exercising power in virtue 
of their wealth would be a problem in MS ["market socialism"].<<

This is a strange juxtaposition! I say that the capitalist 
_market_ is such-and-such and Justin responds that he agrees that 
capitalist _politics_ is that way! (Luckily, he then goes on to 
repeat his previous point, so I don't have to do that.)

This somewhat bizarre misreading pushes me to clarify my 
perspective, which BTW does _not_ deny that the problem of dumping 
of costs on others and the extraction of benefits from others is a 
problem that advocates of "planned socialism" have to face:

1. I think one of the hallmarks of radical political economics 
(following Marx's lead), one of its major steps beyond the 
puerility of neoclassical economics, is its rejection of the 
artificial distinction between "economics" and "politics" except 
as part of a preliminary analysis. Herb Gintis, back in his better 
days, made the useful distinction between "sites" and "practices": 
the "site" of the "economy" (e.g., the production process) 
involves not only "productive" and "exchanging" practices but also 
what people often call "political" activity (e.g., supervisors 
cajoling workers). (That production involves politics is a theme 
of a lot of work by Marglin, Braverman, Bowles, Edwards, Gintis, 
etc. and shows up in an anemic way in the "efficiency wage 
hypothesis.") The "state" site involves not only "political" 
practice but also production and exchange, etc. 

Another step forward for radical political economics (again 
following Marx) is the view that that the economic process entails 
historical time, in which the present is merely a moment in the 
incessant move from the irreversible past to the unknowable future 
(paraphrasing Robinson). Static models won't do.

2. My precise point, one that Gintis would probably reject, was 
that a market (one kind of site) involves "political" activity, as 
defined by the Holmes quote: especially given their competitive 
environment, capitalist organizations are oriented toward 
aggressive profit-seeking, which pushes them to actively look for 
ways to externalize internal costs (dump burdens) on others and to 
internalize external benefits. 

Back in the 1970s, two pretty conservative neoclassicals Lance 
Davis and Douglass North had a book which posited the 
internalization of external benefits (as part of the explanation 
of the growing size of corporations, among other things); what 
they missed was that this logic applies just as well to the 
dumping of costs. (This omission is probably due to an ideological 
bias in favor of markets.) This dumping of costs is what E.K. Hunt 
emphasized in his critique of welfare economics, which I already 
cited.

3. One way to avoid the fact that markets involve politics is to 
embrace the orthodox-neoclassical and technological-determinist 
theory of externalities. That theory holds that the degree of 
external costs (or benefits) of a production process is given and 
fixed by technology, which itself is given exogenously, 
independent of profit-seeking activity (so that "entrepreneurs" 
choose the level of pollution given constraints). But that theory 
should be rejected because (a) it ignores dynamics (historical 
time), the way in which technologies are created and applied 
change over time, as with most neoclassical images of the market 
as a peaceful equilibrium, broken only by exogenous shocks; and 
(b) it ignores the profit motive in shaping and filtering which 
technologies are developed and applied, which changes the 
constraints seen by "entrepreneurs" over time. 

An example of this kind of change that involves seeking the 
ability to pollute or to otherwise dump costs on others: white 
people in the eastern United States during the early 19th century 
had the choice between staying where they were and being forced to 
consume each others' "smoke" and/or developing road, canal, barge, 
ship, and railroad technologies that allowed them to go to the 
west, where they could more easily dump pollutants, abuse the 
land, internalize the Indians' benefits (;-)), etc. They chose to 
do both. The development of these technologies probably had other 
types of benefits which helped to motivate individuals, but the 
search for ways to externalize (internalize) costs (bene