>Rod Hay wrote: >> >>Other than calling each other idiots, I can't figure out what this debate is >>about. > Lou writes: >It is about the relevance of Marxism to precapitalist societies> There is also the question of whether, as Langdon Winner put it, artifacts have politics. Unfortunately Lou was unwilling to have that conversation. Too bad, it's something we've fruitfully discussed in the past. I thought then, and I continue to think, that Lou would benefit from reading some critics of technology who are more sophisticated than the poppish Mr. Mander. Frances