Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
Murray !!! Bill Forwarded message follows - Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:28:32+0100 From: jurriaan bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Valis: Yeah I know what you are talking about. In New Zealand Muldoon set up the Security Intelligence Service in the late 1970s and they used to spy on campus, registering political science students among other things. The biggest laugh was when an SIS agent was spotted with a Penthouse in his briefcase. If the Canadian Government is doing draconian things like you say, the students should respond by collecting some personal information "without requiring permission" on Canadian politicians, publish it, and see how the politicians like it. What does the Canadian Government need this information for anyway ? To breed a new generation of model compliant citizens ? In solidarity Jurriaan. PS - for a New Zealand link on this issue, try Murray Horton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's knowledgable in that area. The Ontario government is poised to give itself the power to collect and disclose private information about students - including medical problems, sexual orientation and religious beliefs -without requiring the students' permission. Etc, etc. etc. Hey, just what gives with Ontario, anyway? Should we expect boat people any time soon? The political pox raging there somewhat resembles the unlamented Muldoon government in New Zealand during the Reaganzeit. I suspect that when Quebec becomes sovereign Canada will simply dissolve, and the money folks in Ontario are doing their renovations in advance. Any knowledgeable comment from up there? valis /-\ | Bill Rosenberg, Acting Director, Centre for Computing and Biometrics, | |P. O. Box 84, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand. | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(64)(03)3252-811 Fax:(64)(03)3253-865 | \-/
Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
Sorry folks - just forwarded Juriaan's message to the list rather than its intended recipient! Bill /-\ | Bill Rosenberg, Acting Director, Centre for Computing and Biometrics, | |P. O. Box 84, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand. | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(64)(03)3252-811 Fax:(64)(03)3253-865 | \-/
Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
The Ontario government is poised to give itself the power to collect and disclose private information about students - including medical problems, sexual orientation and religious beliefs -without requiring the students' permission. Etc, etc. etc. Hey, just what gives with Ontario, anyway? Should we expect boat people any time soon? The political pox raging there somewhat resembles the unlamented Muldoon government in New Zealand during the Reaganzeit. I suspect that when Quebec becomes sovereign Canada will simply dissolve, and the money folks in Ontario are doing their renovations in advance. Any knowledgeable comment from up there? valis
Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
What's the story ? Regards Jurriaan -- From: Rosenberg, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd) Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 8:39 PM Murray !!! Bill Forwarded message follows - Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:28:32+0100 From: jurriaan bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Valis: Yeah I know what you are talking about. In New Zealand Muldoon set up the Security Intelligence Service in the late 1970s and they used to spy on campus, registering political science students among other things. The biggest laugh was when an SIS agent was spotted with a Penthouse in his briefcase. If the Canadian Government is doing draconian things like you say, the students should respond by collecting some personal information "without requiring permission" on Canadian politicians, publish it, and see how the politicians like it. What does the Canadian Government need this information for anyway ? To breed a new generation of model compliant citizens ? In solidarity Jurriaan. PS - for a New Zealand link on this issue, try Murray Horton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's knowledgable in that area. The Ontario government is poised to give itself the power to collect and disclose private information about students - including medical problems, sexual orientation and religious beliefs -without requiring the students' permission. Etc, etc. etc. Hey, just what gives with Ontario, anyway? Should we expect boat people any time soon? The political pox raging there somewhat resembles the unlamented Muldoon government in New Zealand during the Reaganzeit. I suspect that when Quebec becomes sovereign Canada will simply dissolve, and the money folks in Ontario are doing their renovations in advance. Any knowledgeable comment from up there? valis /-\ | Bill Rosenberg, Acting Director, Centre for Computing and Biometrics, | |P. O. Box 84, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand. | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(64)(03)3252-811 Fax:(64)(03)3253-865 | \-/
Re: Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
In response to Valis: Yeah I know what you are talking about. In New Zealand Muldoon set up the Security Intelligence Service in the late 1970s and they used to spy on campus, registering political science students among other things. The biggest laugh was when an SIS agent was spotted with a Penthouse in his briefcase. If the Canadian Government is doing draconian things like you say, the students should respond by collecting some personal information "without requiring permission" on Canadian politicians, publish it, and see how the politicians like it. What does the Canadian Government need this information for anyway ? To breed a new generation of model compliant citizens ? In solidarity Jurriaan. PS - for a New Zealand link on this issue, try Murray Horton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's knowledgable in that area. The Ontario government is poised to give itself the power to collect and disclose private information about students - including medical problems, sexual orientation and religious beliefs -without requiring the students' permission. Etc, etc. etc. Hey, just what gives with Ontario, anyway? Should we expect boat people any time soon? The political pox raging there somewhat resembles the unlamented Muldoon government in New Zealand during the Reaganzeit. I suspect that when Quebec becomes sovereign Canada will simply dissolve, and the money folks in Ontario are doing their renovations in advance. Any knowledgeable comment from up there? valis
Big Brother: Bill 160 (fwd)
Kitchener Waterloo Record 15 November 1997 Privacy fear raised over education bill By Luisa D'Amato The Ontario government is poised to give itself the power to collect and disclose private information about students - including medical problems, sexual orientation and religious beliefs -without requiring the students' permission . And a Kitchener high school teacher, who is trying to mobilize protest against the provisions, calls them scary and much more harmful than the government's other controversial plans to cut teachers' preparation time and control class sizes. The government is "giving themselves absolute power to intrude into areas where they don't belong," said Rick Jones, who teaches electronics at Cameron Heights Collegiate in Kitchener. He discovered the provisions while studying Bill 160, the controversial legislation which centralizes control over education in Ontario and provoked a recent two-week teachers' strike. At the heart of the issue is Bill 160's plan to establish an Ontario education number for each student, which would be constant from kindergarten to post secondary education. Bill 160 which is awaiting third reading in the Ontario legislature, says the minister of education or educational and training institutions "are authorized to collect, directly or indirectly, personal information" that could be accessed through the student numbers. "Personal information" is declared to be the same kind of information that is protected by Ontario's Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act, Bill 160 says. That includes a person's name, address and telephone number, but also blood type, psychiatric history, political opinions, race, religion, financial transactions, fingerprint information and other types of information widely considered to be private. Bill 160 also gives the power to the education minister, or educational institutions, to "use or disclose" personal information in assigning an Ontario education number. It does not clarify to whom the disclosure may be made. Deborah Goldberg, legal counsel with the education ministry, acknowledged Friday that the proposed legislation gives government the power to delve into private information. But she said the power isn't intended to be used in a sinister way. The government's intention "is probably limited to things like name, address, phone number and marks," although she agreed that "the legislation doesn't say that". Goldberg said she's not an expert on the proposals for student numbers. Ministry officials who have been closely involved were not available for comment Friday. Provisions for collecting information are in the bill because, in order for schools to gather even such seemingly innocuous information as a student's address and phone number, Goldberg said, a statute has to be passed. Jones is bothered that there are no prescribed limits on what information could be collected or disclosed. Nor does the bill give recourse to a student who doesn't want the information collected or given out. In fact, nothing in the legislation says the student needs to be told personal information about them is being gathered. Jones, a former business owner who says he voted for the Conservatives in the last election, says collecting some information might be a good thing. For example, if one knows which students don't have English as a first language, one could track them and test the effectiveness of different language-instruction methods, Jones said. But he can also see the potential for "unbelievable abuse. And there is nothing (in the legislation) to stop the abuse."
