Response to Paul Phillips' Messages #'s 2 and 3 (this will not be a short message): Again Paul is right about many things and has highighted some stupid and reprehensible aspects of the Balkan tragedy on the parts of many actors (PS: Paul, can you send me a copy of the Covert Action article you referred to, please? Am curious). Nevertheless I feel the need to comment, correct, and respond to a number of points that he has made. Although I think the bombing may be "justified", my sense is that it will not achieve its desired results and will probably only make a bad situation worse. 1) The role of US policy: I may be dead wrong, but I do not believe that any organ of the US government was plotting "long before the crisis began" to dismember Yugoslavia. Indeed in Message #3 you emphasize that what happened in Feb. 1992 was a _reversal_ of US policy when the US began to take such a course. It was widely reported in the Washington media that the CIA had forecast such a breakup, but this was not accompanied by any glee but with foreboding. 1914 had not been forgotten. Indeed the breakup has fully lived up (down?) to everybodys' worst expectations. If it leads to the revival of a US-Russia Cold War, it can only get worse. 2) Helsinki Treaty: You are technically correct that US policy in Feb. 1992 was in violation of that treaty. But that treaty was a dead letter by that time. Two months before, the Soviet Union had dissolved by means that were also essentially in violation of the treaty. Would you have supported the Soviet army rampaging through Ukraine or Estonia in order to preserve the FSU? (I am more willing to believe that US organs supported and long plotted that breakup.) The unification of Germany was also a violation, if you want to get technical. The more recent breakup of Czechoslovakia was also and apparently was not even supported by a majority of the population in either section of that former nation. 3) The ambush of retreating Yugoslav troops from Bosnia-Herzegovina (henceforward, B-H, in this message) was stupid and reprehensible. But it occurred after Serbs had already engaged in mass atrocities in Croatia and is in no way comparable to the mass murders, torture, and expulsions carried out on civilians in both Croatia and B-H by the Serbs. I find it interesting that you identify "Serb interests" with "Yugoslav". I fully agree that in Croatia, the Croats "started it" and that the Tudjman regime did not guarantee Serb minority rights. But do you deny that the scale of Serb atrocities is at least an order of magnitude greater than that committed by all other Yugoslav groups put together? This is the view of Amnesty International. Are they "biased media"? Speaking of mass murder, torture, and expulsions, just what do you think the Bosnian Serbs are going to do if (probably when) they take Gorazde? What will be the breakdown of the above three categories? 4) Your point about the US Civil War is well taken. Of course the British did aid the Confederacy, although not as fully as they might because it was clear fairly early on that the Union would win (especially after Gettysburg). I might also note that the South was defending its right to slavery. What are the Serbs defending? Greater Serbia, which includes large chunks of territory previously inhabited by other ethnic groups, now murdered, tortured, or expelled (sounds like US policy towards Native Americans). Speaking of "plots", what about that of Milosevic to assert Serb control over the other ethnic groups of Yugoslavia? This was a major reason for the secessions. Perhaps they were "paranoid" (so were the Jews in Hitler's Germany), but there was strong evidence of his intentions after he suppressed Albanian autonomy in Kosovo in the late 1980's (oops, sorry, I know, there are no "Albanians", you do not recognize them as "an ethnic group"). So, the efforts of outsiders to prevent Milosevic's scheme from coming to pass is the cause of its coming to pass? Sounds like blaming the Holocaust on Clemenceau (which, in effect, Keynes did). 5) Tito's Boundaries: Your point here is plain wrong, except of course that there were lots of Serbs in other republics (they weren't the only ones scattered outside "their" borders). With a few minor adjustments, Slovenia's border with Croatia is identical to the one existing in the Austro-Hungarian Empire between the Austrian and Hungarian zones of control. Modern Serbia lost Macedonia, which it had grabbed in 1912 from Turkey, but was granted the former Hungarian territory of Vojvodina (and, oh boy, they want Macedonia back!). Otherwise the modern borders of Serbia are what they were in 1914 (including Kosovo). Bosnia-Herzegovina was the third province (after Austria and Hungary) of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, WITH EXACTLY ITS CURRENT BOUNDARIES (Herzegovina is in the south and is heavily Croat). Of course in 1914, the Serbs did not like that and wanted it all. That was why Gavrilo Princip pulled the trigger on Franz Ferdinand. Also, in the 1300's there was a Bosnian kingdom, probably the only political entity prior to the twentieth century to approximate the modern territory of Yugoslavia. You make a big deal about the name of the original Yugoslav state, the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, declaring that all other groups therefore did not exist. These were simply the three largest groups in rank order of their populations. The kingdom was Serb-ruled (after all, the side of Gavrilo Princip won in World War I, to the victor goes the spoils), leading to great resentments by the other groups (I shall NOT justify Croat Ustasha atrocities in World War II on their very real oppression). Tito, of course, beat the Serb-monarchist Chetniks who were collaborating with the Nazis. Part of the current problem, and what Milosevic has been playing into all along, has been the frustration of the Serbs at losing this domination of Yugoslavia after the war. I'm sorry, but I do not see any reason to sympathize with this garbage. Paul, when will you admit that the Number One Fascist in the region is Milosevic? (I shall not be impressed if you tell everybody as you implied in your message to me that his actions were justified by the fact that 60% of Kosovan university students were studying Albanian language and history) 6) The Partition Issue: You are absolutely correct that the US made a dreadful mistake in not accepting the 1992 Lisbon Partition. Clearly the Bosnian Muslims would have been much better off and Izetbegovic apparently figured that out. Warren Zimmerman, who happens to be one of the more intelligent, moderate, and principled people in the upper reaches of the US State Dept., seriously goofed and as you have reported has admitted as much. My guess is that this was in response to the already horrible Serb behavior in Croatia. Let me re-emphasize, that although the Serbs refused to participate in the "phony referendum" (tell us, Paul, why was it phony? Because the Bosnian Muslims outnumber the Bosnian Serbs?), the B-H government had promised to recognize Serb rights. THE SERBS HAD NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THEIR FEARS in B-H, in contrast to the situation in Croatia. The partition plan arose from their refusal to accept the results of the referendum. In hindsight, of course this partition plan should have been accepted, but ex ante it looked, yes, like a power grab and was. Having grabbed the isolated chunk of Serb-inhabited Krajina in Croatia they wanted to hook it up with Serbia proper into Greater Serbia. That required slicing off at least northern B-H, including territories with few Serbs. A higher level diplomatic error was not foreseeing in Feb. 1992 that Russian nationalism would revive and would fixate on the Serbian cause. That US fumbling in the region could yet lead to Zhirinovsky, or someone of his ilk, coming to power in Moscow, remains the worst possible potential outcome of all this. Full-scale war between the former republics of the FSU, inspired by the Balkan example, could make the example look like a garden party. 7 and last) I have no great solution for this tragedy. I agree that the secessions should not have been encouraged and that it would have been better if Yugoslavia had remained united. But then it would not have happened if Slobodan Milosevic had remained a good internationalist communist and not drunk the cup of rabid nationalism. Unfortunately all current options look bad. The US bombing will be ineffective and will probably only provide an excuse for the Serbs to engage in even greater mass murders once they take Gorazde. Barkley Rosser James Madison University